Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Mitch nylander]

So Malkin's contract will be a 35+ deal eh?

How long would you go?

With his injury problems at most 2 years.

 

[Knies iT]

I feel like Cousins could be a poor man's Colton/Hagel in the right role. My ideal secondary bottom six target behind the 2LW priority.

Pending them graduating: Cousins - Douglas - Anderson

Would make for an effective energy 4th line.

 

[Nylanderthal]

So Malkin's contract will be a 35+ deal eh?

How long would you go?

2x7m time it to end with the nylander and Matthews deals.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Given how many Russian UFA's the Leafs have been in on and signed, I'm surprised it was quiet on the Kuzmenko front ... I trust the front office's perspective on these guys, because I figured they would be players if they saw fit. Seems like an opportunity is there on Tavares' wing.

 

[Stephen]

So Malkin's contract will be a 35+ deal eh?

How long would you go?

He can be Spezza 2.0 if he wants... what can we even afford to give him?

 

[Stephen]

Given how many Russian UFA's the Leafs have been in on and signed, I'm surprised it was quiet on the Kuzmenko front ... I trust the front office's perspective on these guys, because I figured they would be players if they saw fit. Seems like an opportunity is there on Tavares' wing.

Not sure the Leafs Nordstream pipeline has been all that successful with the Jim Paliafito recommendations. Zaitsev, Mikheyev, Ozhiganov, Barabanov, Lehtonen.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

2x7m time it to end with the nylander and Matthews deals.

This is the right answer. Muzzin/Brodie done then too. If you can get Sandin/Liljegren locked in for 3 years we'd have a tonne of flexibility there.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not sure the Leafs Nordstream pipeline has been all that successful with the Jim Paliafito recommendations. Zaitsev, Mikheyev, Ozhiganov, Barabanov, Lehtonen.

3 of those guys are full time NHLers right now and another was a solid depth guy for a year. That is more than our Hunter drafts outside of the top round can say in that same time, and unlike those drafts, it didn't cost us anything to get them.

If we are consistently bringing those guys in every year, we are doing better than most teams.

 

[WTFMAN99]

3 of those guys are full time NHLers right now and another was a solid depth guy for a year. That is more than our Hunter drafts outside of the top round can say in that same time, and unlike those drafts, it didn't cost us anything to get them.

If we are consistently bringing those guys in every year, we are doing better than most teams.

Maybe they've noticed they don't typically pan out here.

 

[fahad203]

I know he's not a popular choice but if we can send a bad contract the other way with a prospect I think Josh Anderson would be a great fit

He's exactly the type of player leafs are missing. He can be inconsistent but really a big body that can play top 6 or bottom 6

 

[Brobust]

Given how many Russian UFA's the Leafs have been in on and signed, I'm surprised it was quiet on the Kuzmenko front ... I trust the front office's perspective on these guys, because I figured they would be players if they saw fit. Seems like an opportunity is there on Tavares' wing.

He's has $850k in performance bonuses.

 

[showtime8]

I know he's not a popular choice but if we can send a bad contract the other way with a prospect I think Josh Anderson would be a great fit

He's exactly the type of player leafs are missing. He can be inconsistent but really a big body that can play top 6 or bottom 6

If you look at the Leafs contracts, there isn't necessarily a bad contract that would work in a trade.

I would agree that he's the type of player that the Leafs would need for the next 2-3 years. Problem is, you have to live with that contract for the next 5.

 

[Havoc]

The player you mentioned is not going to be on the table but even pretending he ever was, there would be dozens of better offers with better center pieces than Nylander

You want to bake your cake and eat it to with getting makar.

Similar if we changed him for Mack, Drai, McDavid, Fox, Kuch etc.,

Would you ever consider Nylander + 1st + lilijgren for Matthews?

A player as good as Makar would bring back the best player on the team for every team besides EDM, maybe Toronto, and possibly Tampa.

Nylander tier guys if they're being packaged for a better player, won't bring back a player whose younger, more dynamic, significantly better than him, on a better contract now and moving forward, etc.

If your targeting a better player than Nylander + or ++ for Matt Tkachuk/Brad Marchand/Jack Eichel type deal could be realistic

However Makar should be valued a bit higher than Matthews due to his contract.

You are actually proving my point and don't even realize it.

When tasked to ensure you win a Nylander trade, it is difficult. Most of the names you can come up with end up being untouchables we can't get with Nylander. You spent your first 5 sentences / paragraphs making this clear.

So explain to me then, why are we going to split Nylander into more depth when the next step up from Nylander+ are Makar level players? Logically that makes Nylander a hard asset to acquire in his own right and value you shouldn't toy with i.e Nylander+ is massive value, but players don't exist in that tier for it to be of any use. It is smarter to try to acquire this depth via draft and pre- pay raise like bunting, coleman, goodrow, marchment, 21/22 moore or basically any other mean that doesn't involve losing a young star. Using Nylander is actually the lazy route and should get GM's fired in today's game.

My point stands. Trading Nylander makes zero sense.

Edit: Covered lateral moves earlier and someone already showed why nylander for saros type deals make zero sense too.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

You are actually proving my point and don't even realize it.

When tasked to ensure you win a Nylander trade, it is difficult. Most of the names you can come up with end up being untouchables we can't get with Nylander. You spent your first 5 sentences / paragraphs making this clear.

So explain to me then, why are we going to split Nylander into more depth when the next step up from Nylander+ are Makar level players? Logically that makes Nylander a hard asset to acquire in his own right and value you shouldn't toy with i.e Nylander+ is massive value, but players don't exist in that tier for it to be of any use. It is smarter to try to acquire this depth via draft and pre- pay raise like bunting, coleman, goodrow, marchment, 21/22 moore or basically any other mean that doesn't involve losing a young star. Using Nylander is actually the lazy route and should get GM's fired in today's game.

My point stands. Trading Nylander makes zero sense.

This guy gets it. Nylander is a final destination asset because he's top level for his tier. Going higher is not possible because higher than Nylander is god-mode. Going lower (regardless how many of these lower pieces you sum up to be greater) is just idiotic.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I think I'm on board with keeping willy and resigning him. Do what we can to be Successful now and wait out the Tavares contract. Once we clear that contract plus League revenue going up and our young high end players move up we will be more dangerous as a team and our window will be wide open still.

 

[supermann_98]

Allan Walsh (top NHL agent) has his podcast, and he said the expectation is the Cap will grow 1M, until 2024-25 and then a 10M jump will happen.

Paul Marner has entered the chat

 

[supermann_98]

Sure dude, teams need Kerfoot even when certain teams have plenty like that. Homer's on here continues to overrate certain player's a d underrate player's like Nylander

Newsflash, you aren't getting a 1st round pick from Minnesota or Tampa fir Kerfoot. Never happening and you are dreaming if you think those teams will

Kerfoot's best value as a UFA next summer will be as an asset at the trade deadline. Problem is our team would not trade him at that time as we're a 'go for it now' team. I bet at the trade deadline he could fetch a 1st or at least a 2nd and future 3rd or something.

Right now we'll be lucky to get a 3rd for him, when a team can sign an UFA and not give up anything

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kerfoot's best value as a UFA next summer will be as an asset at the trade deadline. Problem is our team would not trade him at that time as we're a 'go for it now' team. I bet at the trade deadline he could fetch a 1st or at least a 2nd and future 3rd or something.

Right now we'll be lucky to get a 3rd for him, when a team can sign an UFA and not give up anything

I could see him getting a 2nd at the draft as technically we can pay his bonus July 1st, 750k salary for his production is pretty good value for a lot of teams.

Dallas is one in particular I see as a viable landing spot.

 

[Brobust]

Kerfoot's best value as a UFA next summer will be as an asset at the trade deadline. Problem is our team would not trade him at that time as we're a 'go for it now' team. I bet at the trade deadline he could fetch a 1st or at least a 2nd and future 3rd or something.

Right now we'll be lucky to get a 3rd for him, when a team can sign an UFA and not give up anything

That doesn't make a lot of sense. A playoff team would value 82 games of Kerfoot more than 16.

At full retention, he should have more value than Connor Brown.

 

[hamzarocks]

You are actually proving my point and don't even realize it.

When tasked to ensure you win a Nylander trade, it is difficult. Most of the names you can come up with end up being untouchables we can't get with Nylander. You spent your first 5 sentences / paragraphs making this clear.

So explain to me then, why are we going to split Nylander into more depth when the next step up from Nylander+ are Makar level players? Logically that makes Nylander a hard asset to acquire in his own right and value you shouldn't toy with i.e Nylander+ is massive value, but players don't exist in that tier for it to be of any use. It is smarter to try to acquire this depth via draft and pre- pay raise like bunting, coleman, goodrow, marchment, 21/22 moore or basically any other mean that doesn't involve losing a young star. Using Nylander is actually the lazy route and should get GM's fired in today's game.

My point stands. Trading Nylander makes zero sense.

Edit: Covered lateral moves earlier and someone already showed why nylander for saros type deals make zero sense too.

I don't see why we'd trade Nylander for depth players?

If we made a move it would be for an upgrade in player or upgrade in team fit and roster construction. We'd get a reasonable one that could be on the market not Cal Makar

Matt Tkachuk is one option
Timo Meier another option

On defense a deal around Nylander for Chychuran +

Nylander for Provorov+ is another option

These are deals where we get pieces that could be a better fit and help redistribute the core from being half the Cap at 4 similar styled forwards to either a PWF type winger with scoring abilities or a two way defenseman who is young and are strong skaters

 

[Shooter2x]

You are actually proving my point and don't even realize it.

When tasked to ensure you win a Nylander trade, it is difficult. Most of the names you can come up with end up being untouchables we can't get with Nylander. You spent your first 5 sentences / paragraphs making this clear.

So explain to me then, why are we going to split Nylander into more depth when the next step up from Nylander+ are Makar level players? Logically that makes Nylander a hard asset to acquire in his own right and value you shouldn't toy with i.e Nylander+ is massive value, but players don't exist in that tier for it to be of any use. It is smarter to try to acquire this depth via draft and pre- pay raise like bunting, coleman, goodrow, marchment, 21/22 moore or basically any other mean that doesn't involve losing a young star. Using Nylander is actually the lazy route and should get GM's fired in today's game.

My point stands. Trading Nylander makes zero sense.

Edit: Covered lateral moves earlier and someone already showed why nylander for saros type deals make zero sense too.

Lateral move needs some more expansion imo.

It is true swapping Nylander with an equal with different skillset might help with roster balance issues, but the "using Nylander is the lazy route" nails it.

Let me assume the role of a Nylander critic. Biggest complaint is he has another gear to offer but doesn't seem to sustain this gear.

Nylander is now entering his prime. If he finds even 50% of this gear, you risk losing this lateral move terribly. It would have been better to keep Nylander and use other roster spots to offset the balance issues. There was no need to use Nylander.


With all angles covered to show the likelihood of losing a Nylander trade (very high likelihood)......why are we trading Nylander again?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Matt Tkachuk is one option
Timo Meier another option

Those players have 9m and 10m qualifying offers in the next 0-1 years.

 

[hamzarocks]

Those players have 9m and 10m qualifying offers in the next 0-1 years.

Nylander will be coming in at 9ishM as well in 2 years.

If we're getting a better player/fit than why not make the deal and find a way to save 2M in another position in the team (run a cheap goalie tandem if we are confident that the forward core post shakeup will be strong enough to win)

Those are two of the pricier names.

Other guys to target

Nylander for Jake Guentzel see if the pens make a move after a dospiaiting string of playoff runs

Nylander for Vrana+

Also have fall back of Nylander for picks/prospects and then use his cap on wingers in FA

I.e,

Nylander to Ottawa for 7th overall + Shane Pinto

Then use the 7M to get a high quality winger at 5M and 2M to upgrade some other part of the team

 

[TML Dynasty]

If we are keeping Matthews/Marner/Bunting as top line
And Tavares/Willy aren’t going anywhere then in order to change the teams ‘compete’ or ‘killer instinct’ or whatever term u want to use we really need a 2nd line LW with presence.
Otherwise we remain the same soft group no matter how much we beef up the bottom 6.

This is the only reason I entertain Nylander trade proposals.

 

[hamzarocks]

Lateral move needs some more expansion imo.

It is true swapping Nylander with an equal with different skillset might help with roster balance issues, but the "using Nylander is the lazy route" nails it.

Let me assume the role of a Nylander critic. Biggest complaint is he has another gear to offer but doesn't seem to sustain this gear.

Nylander is now entering his prime. If he finds even 50% of this gear, you risk losing this lateral move terribly. It would have been better to keep Nylander and use other roster spots to offset the balance issues. There was no need to use Nylander.


With all angles covered to show the likelihood of losing a Nylander trade (very high likelihood)......why are we trading Nylander again?

Matthews is our best player and shouldn't be dealt until next summer at earliest if he gives signs/indications that he's not coming back

JT is untraceable due to NMC, age, cap hit, declining play

Marner is the other option. If we get a deal for him at 11M then yeah should also consider that. His ceiling is considerably higher though and he's more consistent so makes you think twice on trading a 100ish pt winger who's strong in his own end generally

Nylander shouldn't be dealt unless we got confidence though that the team after the move is going to be having consistent deep quality playoff runs