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TML Dynasty said:
If we are keeping Matthews/Marner/Bunting as top line
And Tavares/Willy aren’t going anywhere then in order to change the teams ‘compete’ or ‘killer instinct’ or whatever term u want to use we really need a 2nd line LW with presence.
Otherwise we remain the same soft group no matter how much we beef up the bottom 6.

This is the only reason I entertain Nylander trade proposals.
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JT and 88 had long stretches at 5v5 where they effectively accomplished nothing. With them lacking chemistry, it's a big reason I would consider moving 88. I'd move JT first but management won't have that difficult conversation.
 
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Stephen said:
Not sure the Leafs Nordstream pipeline has been all that successful with the Jim Paliafito recommendations. Zaitsev, Mikheyev, Ozhiganov, Barabanov, Lehtonen.
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I agree...the hype does not equal the reality of 1 1/2 good seasons from Miky and the rest were pretty much useless for us. I think you can get a half decent 3rd/4th liner but other than that it's been a waste of time. Did everyone forget the Par Lindholm experiment? At least it turned into Nic Petan....
 
usernamezrhardtodo said:
I agree...the hype does not equal the reality of 1 1/2 good seasons from Miky and the rest were pretty much useless for us. I think you can get a half decent 3rd/4th liner but other than that it's been a waste of time. Did everyone forget the Par Lindholm experiment? At least it turned into Nic Petan....
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Zaitsev was a reasonably decent player until that msssive contract hung over his head. How Lou could’ve given out 7 years for a guy with that little track record I’ll never know.
Oh wait he gave the corpse of marleau a 3 year buyout proof deal that same summer and completely handcuffed the team the summer of 19.
 
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hamzarocks said:
Matthews is our best player and shouldn't be dealt until next summer at earliest if he gives signs/indications that he's not coming back

JT is untraceable due to NMC, age, cap hit, declining play

Marner is the other option. If we get a deal for him at 11M then yeah should also consider that. His ceiling is considerably higher though and he's more consistent so makes you think twice on trading a 100ish pt winger who's strong in his own end generally

Nylander shouldn't be dealt unless we got confidence though that the team after the move is going to be having consistent deep quality playoff runs
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If Matthews signs an 8 year extension next offseason and locks himself in Toronto for 9 years, moving on from Marner makes more sense than it does now. I still wouldn't do it in most scenarios. But, there is more room to get creative on a Marner trade. But, if Matthews leaves it would probably make more sense to focus on signing Mitch to remain relevant, given he should be more willing. Then use, the extra space from Matthews departure to go big game hunting.
 
usernamezrhardtodo said:
I agree...the hype does not equal the reality of 1 1/2 good seasons from Miky and the rest were pretty much useless for us. I think you can get a half decent 3rd/4th liner but other than that it's been a waste of time. Did everyone forget the Par Lindholm experiment? At least it turned into Nic Petan....
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If the Leafs are deliberately sourcing Russian overagers who have real upside and can be a part of the program longer term, I say go for it. But it’s in the realm of replacement level depth and you have to make special promises to trade them in 3 months if they don’t acclimatize and have no idea how to play an NHL regular season game, let alone playoffs. I dunno.
 
Magic Man said:
If Matthews signs an 8 year extension next offseason and locks himself in Toronto for 9 years, moving on from Marner makes more sense than it does now. I still wouldn't do it in most scenarios. But, there is more room to get creative on a Marner trade. But, if Matthews leaves it would probably make more sense to focus on signing Mitch to remain relevant, given he should be more willing. Then use, the extra space from Matthews departure to go big game hunting.
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I think we keep Matthews and Marner and let the John Tavares contract expire. That gets us out of cap hell in a couple of years and opens up a new upward trending momentum with at least 2x elite forwards still in their mid 20s. If the Leafs are Tampa Bay and Matthews and Marner represent the Kucherov Stamkos, Tavares is kind of like Lecavalier. That needs to come off the books and things have room to breathe.
 
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Stephen said:
I think we keep Matthews and Marner and let the John Tavares contract expire. That gets us out of cap hell in a couple of years and opens up a new upward trending momentum with at least 2x elite forwards still in their mid 20s. If the Leafs are Tampa Bay and Matthews and Marner represent the Kucherov Stamkos, Tavares is kind of like Lecavalier. That needs to come off the books and things have room to breathe.
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Kinda hoping Tavares will go the Spezza and Giordano route after this contract. If not....it's been a good run.
 
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Magic Man said:
If Matthews signs an 8 year extension next offseason and locks himself in Toronto for 9 years, moving on from Marner makes more sense than it does now. I still wouldn't do it in most scenarios. But, there is more room to get creative on a Marner trade. But, if Matthews leaves it would probably make more sense to focus on signing Mitch to remain relevant, given he should be more willing. Then use, the extra space from Matthews departure to go big game hunting.
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Why would they want to move on from Marner?
 
Nylanderthal said:
Zaitsev was a reasonably decent player until that msssive contract hung over his head. How Lou could’ve given out 7 years for a guy with that little track record I’ll never know.
Oh wait he gave the corpse of marleau a 3 year buyout proof deal that same summer and completely handcuffed the team the summer of 19.
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Ritchie cost us a 2nd less the value of one year of a bottom pair d. Now we wait to see what mrazek will cost us. Foligno cost us a 1st and 2 4ths for a few games. But lets keep blaming Lou 4 years later.
Lets enjoy the b2b 3 pick drafts under Dubas.
 
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ToneDog said:
Ritchie cost us a 2nd less the value of one year of a bottom pair d. Now we wait to see what mrazek will cost us. Foligno cost us a 1st and 2 4ths for a few games. But lets keep blaming Lou 4 years later.
Lets enjoy the b2b 3 pick drafts under Dubas.
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Ritchie is a 3rd In 2023 maybe a 2nd…. In 2025…. And we got back a guy who was believed to have the value of…… a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Zaitsev was a reasonably decent player until that msssive contract hung over his head. How Lou could’ve given out 7 years for a guy with that little track record I’ll never know.
Oh wait he gave the corpse of marleau a 3 year buyout proof deal that same summer and completely handcuffed the team the summer of 19.
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ToneDog said:
Ritchie cost us a 2nd less the value of one year of a bottom pair d. Now we wait to see what mrazek will cost us. Foligno cost us a 1st and 2 4ths for a few games. But lets keep blaming Lou 4 years later.
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Lou screwed the pooch on the Zaitsev and Marleau deals, Marleau deal was at least 1 year too long.

Ritchie unfortunately didn't fit in with us but right idea. Mrazek was risky given the durability concerns and other options available out there.

That Dubas has to already find a a way out of his 2 biggest deals signed last summer is troublesome and it could happen again. We're constantly cycling through contracts because we're dumpster diving but sometimes you need to put a bit more $$ and the 2 he signed in the summer, we got burned out.

He did well on Kampf, Bunting and Kase...no one is gonna go 5/5, the wrong ones turned bad.

Ritchie deal if Arizona takes the 3rd is actually okay...I figure Lybushkin likely returns a 3rd round pick at the deadline similar to Braun and losing Ritchie makes it alright.

Need to start seeing prospects make the team, less bargain shopping.
 
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kb said:
Kinda hoping Tavares will go the Spezza and Giordano route after this contract. If not....it's been a good run.
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I think this is reasonable, maybe a short 2x5m deal then 800k or whatever league minimum is then. Whatever his next deal is it needs to be one that lowers the total aav for the four amigos on their next contracts.
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
This guy gets it. Nylander is a final destination asset because he's top level for his tier. Going higher is not possible because higher than Nylander is god-mode. Going lower (regardless how many of these lower pieces you sum up to be greater) is just idiotic.
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Yup. Final destination assets do have different skillsets, but once you own one you should be able to build around them for what's missing. If you're using your final destination assets to fill holes , it's a sign you don't know what you're doing. Dubas will have almost zero fans left if he did this.

Also, what Nylander lacks according to others can be obtained with non elite assets. In contrast, if we lose Nylanders skill, we are never getting that back.
 
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Maple Leafs trade and free agent targets: Ranking the goalies who make sense for Toronto

It’s been a long time since the Maple Leafs crease felt this unsettled. We look into some potential options the Leafs could pursue.
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Potential Starters

  • John Gibson - 5 yrs @ $6.4M/yr
  • Jordan Binnington -5yrs @$6M/yr
  • Ville Husso - UFA
  • Jack Campbell - UFA
  • Darcy Kuemper - UFA
  • Marc-Andre Fleury - UFA
  • Semyon Varlamov - 1yr @ $5M/yr
Potential Backups and Tandem Types

  • Matt Murray - 2yr @ $6.25M/yr
  • Alexandar Georgiev - RFA
  • Casey DeSmith - UFA
  • Jonathan Bernier - 1yr @ $4.125M/year
  • Jake Allen - 1yr @ $2.875M/yr
  • Braden Holtby - UFA
  • Jonathan Quick - 1yr @ $5.8M/yr
  • James Reimer - 1yr @ $2.25M/yr
  • Alex Nedeljkovic - 1yr @ $3M/yr

So essentially a FA downgrade/lateral move from Campbell, or a trade option with cap hit implications that most here are divided on. Aside from Fleury, who doesn't want to play in Canada, the free agent route is not going to solve any problems and only serves stop-gap options that, aside from complete fluke, will be the second best goalie in a playoff series again.

Given that every FA option risks entering the season with a weakness in net, the only appealing option to me is banking on potential and upward trajectory - Husso. Otherwise, the trade market is a way better route for the starter position.

This is going to be a problem for a very long time until the Leafs prioritize drafting goaltenders earlier than the 4+ rounds. Yet this is the worst goalie draft in quite a while. This is why i'm less afraid of Gibson's 5 year term. The alternative is recycling tandem goalies (who can't steal a series) for half a decade until a prospect clicks.
 
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kb said:
Kinda hoping Tavares will go the Spezza and Giordano route after this contract. If not....it's been a good run.
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agreed.... except if not... it's been a mediocre run ;)

Honestly all this is moot. I just want a goalie. Its tough getting excited for the season knowing that anyone we get has a buncha of question marks. Hopefully there is a goalie out there that has not been discussed and we can nab.
 
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Brobust said:
Why would they want to move on from Marner?
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Maybe, in this hypothetical Toronto still can't get out of the first round over the next 1-3 years and they really want to shake things for similar caliber player in another situation or for a top-5 pick.

I agree they should keep both of them. If you try to do anything it would be to keep those top 2 stars until they retire and ride the success.

But, if they really can't get out of the first round this way and there is something that makes sense trade wise like a Matthew Tkachuk style player that can try to bring something different. I don't see the harm in trying at that point.
 
ER89 said:
agreed.... except if not... it's been a mediocre run ;)

Honestly all this is moot. I just want a goalie. Its tough getting excited for the season knowing that anyone we get has a buncha of question marks. Hopefully there is a goalie out there that has not been discussed and we can nab.
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Unless you have one of like 6-7 guys (Vasi Shesterkin Sorokin Saros Demko markstrom Hellebyuck) then it’s fair to say you’re not entirely sure what to expect from your goalie one season to the next
 
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Nylanderthal said:
Unless you have one of like 6-7 guys (Vasi Shesterkin Sorokin Saros Demko markstrom Hellebyuck) then it’s fair to say you’re not entirely sure what to expect from your goalie one season to the next
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While true, for a contending team, our question marks in net are far greater than they should be.
 
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