paulhiggins
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Ship them both out. They can share a taxi to the airport if they don't want me to drive them there without getting a speeding ticket.
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Ship them both out. They can share a taxi to the airport if they don't want me to drive them there without getting a speeding ticket.
Dion TheFluff
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WTFMAN99
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On the surface, I think he's had something like 2 more picks then he'd have by default but digging deeper, a lot of them are late round picks where you're far less likely to hit on the pick.
So yay for drafting as much as possible...it's very much a quantity in place of quality for the time being. I do hope Tverberg, Knies, Holmberg etc all break through though.
Dion TheFluff
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they look like exceptional prospects relative to where they were picked now. Gotta wait and see how they continue to develop now... Leafs are kind of due for a late round gem i think
WTFMAN99
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If they grab a bottom 6 guy on Holmberg that's pretty good relative to the pick but I guess we've been lucky with Gunnar, Brown, Komarov and Engvall too. Just pick Swedes lol.
Stephen
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Yeah it all depends on his quality of play. I mean, the issue is all about impact to AAV so if he’s taking a league minimum and playing at a Spezza like level he can stay. But he’s not getting a $6 million plus deal on the next one, if there is one.
Maple Leafs trade and free agent targets: Ranking the goalies who make sense for Toronto
It’s been a long time since the Maple Leafs crease felt this unsettled. We look into some potential options the Leafs could pursue.theathletic.com
Potential Starters
Potential Backups and Tandem Types
- John Gibson - 5 yrs @ $6.4M/yr
- Jordan Binnington -5yrs @$6M/yr
- Ville Husso - UFA
- Jack Campbell - UFA
- Darcy Kuemper - UFA
- Marc-Andre Fleury - UFA
- Semyon Varlamov - 1yr @ $5M/yr
- Matt Murray - 2yr @ $6.25M/yr
- Alexandar Georgiev - RFA
- Casey DeSmith - UFA
- Jonathan Bernier - 1yr @ $4.125M/year
- Jake Allen - 1yr @ $2.875M/yr
- Braden Holtby - UFA
- Jonathan Quick - 1yr @ $5.8M/yr
- James Reimer - 1yr @ $2.25M/yr
- Alex Nedeljkovic - 1yr @ $3M/yr
So essentially a FA downgrade/lateral move from Campbell, or a trade option with cap hit implications that most here are divided on. Aside from Fleury, who doesn't want to play in Canada, the free agent route is not going to solve any problems and only serves stop-gap options that, aside from complete fluke, will be the second best goalie in a playoff series again.
Given that every FA option risks entering the season with a weakness in net, the only appealing option to me is banking on potential and upward trajectory - Husso. Otherwise, the trade market is a way better route for the starter position.
This is going to be a problem for a very long time until the Leafs prioritize drafting goaltenders earlier than the 4+ rounds. Yet this is the worst goalie draft in quite a while. This is why i'm less afraid of Gibson's 5 year term. The alternative is recycling tandem goalies (who can't steal a series) for half a decade until a prospect clicks.
????? In the very article you are quoting literally says that sources around the league reported that fleury Would come to Toronto
Americanadian
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
9 picks outside the top hundred but who's counting ?
Here's how's it is looking so far. We'd be lucky if the two finns hit.
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[TH]2020 Entry[/TH]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Rodion Amirov[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[TD]Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL][/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
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[TD]Roni Hirvonen[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Assat Pori [SM-liiga][/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Topi Niemela[/TD]
[TD]D[/TD]
[TD]Karpat [SM-liiga][/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]106[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Artur Akhtyamov[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]Kazan Jrs. (Russia)[/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]122[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]William Villeneuve[/TD]
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[TD]Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL][/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]137[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Dmitry Ovchinnikov[/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Veeti Miettinen[/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]177[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Axel Rindell[/TD]
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[TD]Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga][/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]180[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Joe Miller[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Blake School (Minn. H.S.)[/TD]
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[TD]189[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]John Fusco[/TD]
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[TD]Dexter Southfield (Mass. H.S.)[/TD]
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[TD]195[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Wyatt Schingoethe[/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]213[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Ryan Tverberg[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]Toronto Jr. Canadiens [OJHL][/TD]
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stickty111
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Here is a name I was thinking of that could solve our 2nd line LW issue. Would Jesper Bratt interest you guys? He's an RFA and maybe we could trade for his rights. I don't know the contract he could get though
Stephen
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Think he might be too good to acquire. Maybe if Andreas Johnsson hits UFA we can scoop him up cheap.
notdoneyet
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Posters never look beyond last year.
Always make minimizing our deficiencies by giving the excuse that we finished fourth with 115 points.
Next year we lose mikeyev blackwell
Soup and we have 7 million to go bargain shopping for 3 or 4 fowards, at least another dman and two goalies.
One thing people forget is some of the teams below us will improve.
We can’t afford a top heavy salary top sux and a bottom six of al 1 million dollar players.
You cant sustain success with this poor allocation of cap
Always make minimizing our deficiencies by giving the excuse that we finished fourth with 115 points.
Next year we lose mikeyev blackwell
Soup and we have 7 million to go bargain shopping for 3 or 4 fowards, at least another dman and two goalies.
One thing people forget is some of the teams below us will improve.
We can’t afford a top heavy salary top sux and a bottom six of al 1 million dollar players.
You cant sustain success with this poor allocation of cap
Fogelhund
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It's a weird balance. The balance between competing now, and the future. The future suggests that we will have three very good LW looking to join our team, either at some point this year, or next year. Knies, Robertson, and maybe Amirov if his health allows.
Sure, Bratt had a great season last year, but then, how can we afford what he's likely to get paid? $5 mill? minimum... maybe more? Where does that fit in? What do we trade for that? Why would NJD give that up? I mean, I've seen the rumours, they just don't make sense to me.
Didn't someone just recently post the bottom six cap hits of Tampa and Colorado, which weren't much different than ours?
Dion TheFluff
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teams consistently in the top of the standings typically do have less picks, would u rather move core players to get more picks and finish lower in the standings?
Its obviously still unlikely (as are a majority of players taken in that range) but Tverberg, Rindell, Miettinen, and Ovchinikov have all looked really good relative to where they were picked. Amirov was progressing well and still has great potential. He just kind of got hit with something that nobody can really prepare for. Niemela has looked like a slam dunk pick so far.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Dubas, Shanny and the usual suspects say you can. So far they are wrong but Shanny, Kyle and Larry keep telling us that Lord Stanley is coming. What they do not tell you is you have to buy a ticket to the HoF to see it.
stickty111
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Great point. I am also confused. Wouldn't a 23 year old emerging star be someone NJ would like to keep considering where they are? It's odd
Fogelhund
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No idea what's going on. I'd bet he ends up signing long-term with them, and this smoke fizzles away.
People have been saying this for years
Last year we were never going to be able to do it without Fred. Zach and Bogo.
This isn’t new
SeaOfBlue
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If there is anything going on in Leafs Land right now, it is an overblowing of our deficiencies and making our problems a lot bigger than they seem.
What you have described has not happened since like the Nonis days.
CJ again says there is nothing on Campbell and he thinks they Go for cheap under the radar guys. But no idea who that would be.
613Leafer
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Cheaper UFAs would be DeSmith, Comrie, Hill, Holtby, Jones, Wedgewood, etc.
They may also mean cheaper caphits, but acquired via trade for a potentially highish price, which could include Blackwood, Georgiev, Stolarz (if they commit to going with Gibson), etc.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Perry might be playing for his 4th consecutive losing SC finalist. Is there a trophy for that ??
Hoglund4MvP
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Tampa has 33% of their playoff goals spread across 4.5 mil of cap hit and this guy thinks the core is the problem.
Leaf problem is not how much cap they have in their core. They are miserable in most decisions that are non-core related.
Fogelhund
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You win the Jim Kelly trophy.
supermann_98
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The would be a great fit if he played against the rest of the league like he does against us.
He must have the Leafs circled on the calendar and makes sure he's saved his energy for those games as he looks like prime Can Neely against us, while sleepwalking his way thru the rest of the season. Joining us I'd speculate he'd look like David Clarkson did in a leaf jersey
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