Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[SeaOfBlue]

One small prediction I have at this point is that Rubins is going to end up signing overseas or be a trade throw-in, rather than on the roster as a 7th D like many have penciled in.

My main reason for this hunch is honestly just that it's a simple deal to get done and it isn't yet. Any other comparatively simple deal that was expected to happen already has like Hollowell, Woll, the Spezza decision, and even Gio to a lesser extent Duszak/Krys/Scott walk as RFAs but other contracts remaining are more UFA or NHL quality RFA based and not simple league min deals like Rubins would be

I think Dahlstrom sort of took the role he has internally (passable big depth LHD) and he has to be taken a back by even a guy like Sandin possibly on the outside of a regular role and the likes of Kral/Kokkonen pushing. It seems unlikely that Rubins really elevates from a sparingly used tweener, which is why he may just move on and find a nice role (more likely overseas).

I now fully expect to see a Leafs PR tweet announcing his extension within minutes after writing this.

Rubins has been a decent depth guy for the Marlies, but I don't seem him being more than a Dahlstrom or Marincin on the depth chart. I can see us keeping him for one more year and then letting him go as a Group 6.

However, we may try to find him another opportunity like we probably will with Duszak.

 

[Menzinger]

Fleury at 5x2 is much better than Campbell at 5x3 no?

It would be, certainly. I think he signs for less than that though

 

[Gabriel426]

I would be on board with this, much more palatable than say a Gibson, especially for the trade cost being suggested here

Exactly. Having Helly solves so many problems for the Leafs.
It allows them to be more aggressive in offence bc Helly can actually make tough saves consistently.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I think trying to bring Campbell back, but at $2.5-3 mil or so, is the right thing to do. He's a quality goaltender when he's not injured, and playing well. The problem of course, is he's had to fight through injuries. I don't know if that's his long-term fate, or if a new coaching staff can fix some of his injury woes.

But I think if you go with Campbell, you need another guy at $2mil or so, but someone who could challenge for top spot. Like a Blackwood, or Georgiev.. guys who have shown glimpses of being better, but for whatever reasons, haven't been.

The other problem is mental, just like Freddie. He gets way too down on himself, way too often and in the media light- imagine what goes on his head and the potential lack of self-confidence. You cannot rely on a goalie who is mentally brittle and lacks in ego/confidence.

 

[HomelessPepper]

Goals: Rejig the bottom 6, boost 2LW, rework G

Trades:

Kerfoot for Brown @50%
Mrazek to Buffalo for whatever
Holl for Kuraly

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Brown (1.8M) - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall (2M) - Kampf - Aston-Reese (2M)
Cousins (2M) - Kuraly (2.5M) - Lazar (1.5M)

Reilly - Brodie
Muzzin - Lily
Sandin - Gio

750k extra (F or D, whatever)

Husso (3M)
Holtby (1.5M)

Cap Hit: $82,393,116
Cap Space: $106,884

 

[ULF_55]

Is Athanasiu healthy?

From what I recall he could fly.

Could he be willing to go home to Toronto on a prove me contract?

Looks like he's had injuries issues and maybe some work ethic issues.

Be interesting to see if he can play opposite Nylander.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Is Athanasiu healthy?

From what I recall he could fly.

Could he be willing to go home to Toronto on a prove me contract?

Looks like he's had injuries issues and maybe some work ethic issues.

Be interesting to see if he can play opposite Nylander.

He missed time last season, but was playing in the playoffs. Very good at skating in a straight line & scoring.

May want to put him with defensively responsible linemates.

 

[Nylanderthal]

He missed time last season, but was playing in the playoffs. Very good at skating in a straight line & scoring.

May want to put him with defensively responsible linemates.

Sounds like a mikheyev replacement

 

[Nylanderthal]

I moved Holl for Blackwood, kerfoot for futures (I sent him to Seattle for the picks we traded them for Gio) and mrazek for a little bit of those futures. Georgiev I gave the rangers a 7th to execute the trade on CF, but I think he potentially goes unqualified. If you wanna give up a pick to secure him, go for it, that doesn’t really change the outlook of team or asset list too much.
The young guys are placeholders, there’s 4.4m in cap space subtract their salary and plug in whatever middle/bottom 6 rfa you want like Paul and or Perron. If you want both or more of a change dump Kase and or engvall and create that room.
Lots of flexibility and options, regardless what the Doomers yammer on endlessly here

 

[Dreakmur]

Goals: Rejig the bottom 6, boost 2LW, rework G

Trades:

Kerfoot for Brown @50%

Kerfoot to Ottawa makes sense, but I'd actually prefer Austin Watson + instead of Connor Brown. Watson would be a beast beside Kampf in a hard defensive unit.

Maybe Kerfoot for Watson and Tampa Bay's 2nd round pick.... of Kerfoot and Mrazek for Watson.

Holl for Kuraly

Kuraly would be great in our bottom 6.

Brown (1.8M) - Tavares - Nylander

I think Tavares needs a big-bodied cycler to play with.

Pavel Zacha and Nicolas Roy are both RFAs in Jersey and Vegas respectively. Yakov Trenin is an RFA in Nashville. Nathan Bastian or Max Comtois could be cheaper options on the cap. I doubt Boone Jenner is available, but he'd be a perfect fit there.

750k extra (F or D, whatever)

It's probably closer to 2.0, but Ian Cole would be an excellent #7. Solid veteran that can play both sides. I'd be worried that Muzzin and/or Giordano can't play a full season, and having Cole step in beside a young Swede would be ideal.

Husso (3M)
Holtby (1.5M)

I think Husso gets a bit more, but I like that tandem.

 

[LeafChief]

Kerfoot to Ottawa makes sense, but I'd actually prefer Austin Watson + instead of Connor Brown. Watson would be a beast beside Kampf in a hard defensive unit.

Maybe Kerfoot for Watson and Tampa Bay's 2nd round pick.... of Kerfoot and Mrazek for Watson.



Kuraly would be great in our bottom 6.



I think Tavares needs a big-bodied cycler to play with.

Pavel Zacha and Nicolas Roy are both RFAs in Jersey and Vegas respectively. Yakov Trenin is an RFA in Nashville. Nathan Bastian or Max Comtois could be cheaper options on the cap. I doubt Boone Jenner is available, but he'd be a perfect fit there.



It's probably closer to 2.0, but Ian Cole would be an excellent #7. Solid veteran that can play both sides. I'd be worried that Muzzin and/or Giordano can't play a full season, and having Cole step in beside a young Swede would be ideal.



I think Husso gets a bit more, but I like that tandem.

Watson beat the shit out of his girlfriend at a gas station a few years back. Take whatever position you want on that but if this team wouldn't look at Kane, they're not looking at Watson.

Sounds like a mikheyev replacement

I want Domi. He had a real good playoffs. Can bring that Bunting style of play to the middle 6.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If he's not re-signed by the Wild, I'm sure the Leafs will make a strong pitch for him. if he wants to play another season, hea probably thinking more about a potential cup than driving up his aav.

People can make cheap comments about this team not being a contender cuz they’ve yet to win a round in the post season, but I can’t see minny having any better of a chance with that $14m cap penalty the next couple seasons. That was such a weird move to me

 

[LeafChief]

There's a lot of talk about Tavares and Nylander not meshing and Tavares playing better with muckers.

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Domi

ME SO HORNY.

 

[Dreakmur]

Watson beat the shit out of his girlfriend at a gas station a few years back. Take whatever position you want on that but if this team wouldn't look at Kane, they're not looking at Watson.

Richard Clune was a loser until he turned his life around, and Dubas used him as a leader on the Marlies. Assuming he's made a similar turn, it's actually good to have guys that have gone through hard times and come through.

Hopefully Dubas watched what Kane did in Edmonton and realized even assholes can help you win.

There's a lot of talk about Tavares and Nylander not meshing and Tavares playing better with muckers.

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Domi

ME SO HORNY.

Domi isn't really a mucker.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Hopefully Dubas watched what Kane did in Edmonton and realized even assholes can help you win.

Trick is getting them when they're ready to stop being assholes off the ice.

 

[LeafChief]

Richard Clune was a loser until he turned his life around, and Dubas used him as a leader on the Marlies. Assuming he's made a similar turn, it's actually good to have guys that have gone through hard times and come through.

Hopefully Dubas watched what Kane did in Edmonton and realized even assholes can help you win.



Domi isn't really a mucker.

Alcohol abuse and domestic abuse are pretty different things but this isn't really the place to argue that.

 

[Dreakmur]

Trick is getting them when they're ready to stop being assholes off the ice.

Or having the leadership in place to deal with it if they're not.

 

[LeafChief]

Or having the leadership in place to deal with it if they're not.

Definitely need to keep our eyes out for some leaders that are poised with handling their teammates who beat the shit out of women.

That's what we've been missing all these years.

 

[Dreakmur]

Definitely need to keep our eyes out for some leaders that are poised with handling their teammates who beat the shit out of women.

That's what we've been missing all these years.

If you're going to make up both sides of this conversation, do I need to be here?

 

[LeafChief]

If you're going to make up both sides of this conversation, do I need to be here?

If you're confused, just go back and read your comments.

 

[William Hylander]

Whats the point of we go into next season with a much worse team when Matthews and Marner only have a handful of years left? Might be time to bite the bullet and hope a rebuild ends up with guys that don't hold our team hostage with the cap. Build a deeper team instead of a top heavy flashy one. I cant really see how our team pushes through.

It sucks, but now we get the highest quality pieces for Matthews or Marner. Season after next, we are looking at one more year of Matthews with Matthews possibly going for max cap. How are we supposed to afford that?

 

[Dreakmur]

If you're confused, just go back and read your comments.

I said that if Austin Watson had turned his life around, he'd be good to have around.

I also referred to leadership being able to handle an asshole like Evander Kane.

You then made up that I suggested we bring in current abusers.

 

[LeafChief]

I said that if Austin Watson had turned his life around, he'd be good to have around.

I also referred to leadership being able to handle an asshole like Evander Kane.

You then made up that I suggested we bring in current abusers.

You obviously mis-read my comment. Not surprising.

You suggested the Leafs don't have leadership to deal with domestic abusers. My suggestion is that they don't bring in domestic violence criminals at all. To each their own though.

I was actually in favour of bringing in Kane when SJ let him go. I'll admit, I hadn't fully read up on what he had done and my opinion on the matter (bringing Kane in) has evolved. I find domestic violence deplorable but I don't expect you to hold the same values. Everyone makes their own decisions and you have that right.

You also didn't say anything along the line of "if Austin Watson has turned his life around" so that's quite the spin zone.

 

[Rob Brown]

You obviously mis-read my comment. Not surprising.

You suggested the Leafs don't have leadership to deal with domestic abusers. My suggestion is that they don't bring in domestic violence criminals at all. To each their own though.

I was actually in favour of bringing in Kane when SJ let him go. I'll admit, I hadn't fully read up on what he had done and my opinion on the matter (bringing Kane in) has evolved. I find domestic violence deplorable but I don't expect you to hold the same values. Everyone makes their own decisions and you have that right.

You also didn't say anything along the line of "if Austin Watson has turned his life around" so that's quite the spin zone.

For the record, Watson's girlfriend came out after that incident and said publicly that he never hit her. Might want to make sure you're speaking accurately before so brazenly calling him a terrible person that 'beat the shit out of his girlfriend at a gas station'.

 

[LeafChief]

For the record, Watson's girlfriend came out after that incident and said publicly that he never hit her. Might want to make sure you're accurate before so brazenly calling him a terrible person that 'beat the shit out of his girlfriend at a gas station'.

They stayed together and she was attempting to to help build back up his reputation. They have children together. The NHL suspended him for 18 games I believe. I'm not sure they would have done that had they interviewed her in their investigation.

As someone that lived in the area at the time, I'm pretty familiar with the situation but thank you. With that said, you're correct in the sense that neither you nor I were there so there are always two sides to every story. I'll stick to my point that I am FIRMLY against domestic violence. The two of you can take whatever position you feel necessary on that.