Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[ULF_55]

I'm not sure Florida would be interested in our trash.

Bobrovsky is what around 16th. ranked starter last season with the 2nd. highest cost and $10mm Cap Hit.

Not sure what his value is, with around $34mm left to pay over the next 4 years.

They might be fine with receiving trash to get out from under that.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Bobrovsky is what around 16th. ranked starter last season with the 2nd. highest cost and $10mm Cap Hit.

Not sure what his value is, with around $34mm left to pay over the next 4 years.

They might be fine with receiving trash to get out from under that.

Wouldn’t be interested in allowing Florida to get out from that deal, I’d rather allow them to hang themselves with that albatross

 

[Carltons Cup]

Bobrovsky is what around 16th. ranked starter last season with the 2nd. highest cost and $10mm Cap Hit.

Not sure what his value is, with around $34mm left to pay over the next 4 years.

They might be fine with receiving trash to get out from under that.

Well if FLA is willing to eat 50% of Bob's cap hit, then I'd be all for it. I would just be stunned they'd want a significant downgrade in goal.

 

[Stephen]

Lots of people here defending the Mrazek signing for when it was made. I'm surprised at that. Right away it seemed a year too long and too expensive, and a lot of people said so. He is far from a proven commodity. The fact that he clearly was a leaf target is the reason we are now revamping our whole goalie evaluation team. Terrible signing, and there were red flags at the time too.

I thought the Mrazek deal didn't look good on paper at the time of the signing due to length and AAV and leaving Campbell vulnerable. ButI kept an open mind that Leafs analytics had seen something in his game that was compatible with the Leafs way of defending and he had a decent chance of unseating Campbell as starter.

That said, this gamble could not have worked out worse for Toronto. Mrazek was injured all the time and cratered his value, opened the door for Campbell inflating his status to all-star and now we have to dispose of Mrazek.

 

[Stephen]

Bobrovsky is what around 16th. ranked starter last season with the 2nd. highest cost and $10mm Cap Hit.

Not sure what his value is, with around $34mm left to pay over the next 4 years.

They might be fine with receiving trash to get out from under that.

We don't have equivalent trash to give Florida through.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Wouldn’t be interested in allowing Florida to get out from that deal, I’d rather allow them to hang themselves with that albatross

They don't even have a first rounder in the next while to entice me.

It's negative value right now. We retention it becomes less negative.

Bob @ 25% retained would get some interest but still need an asset to go with it. But that's still a $7.5 mill AAV. You can basically bend Florida over backwards to get a good deal from them.

I would have interest but the Leafs' cap space barely leaves wiggle room above a $5 mill AAV goalie. And I don't think Florida retains 50%

 

[BertCorbeau]

I thought the Mrazek deal didn't look good on paper at the time of the signing due to length and AAV and leaving Campbell vulnerable. ButI kept an open mind that Leafs analytics had seen something in his game that was compatible with the Leafs way of defending and he had a decent chance of unseating Campbell as starter.

That said, this gamble could not have worked out worse for Toronto. Mrazek was injured all the time and cratered his value, opened the door for Campbell inflating his status to all-star and now we have to dispose of Mrazek.

Mrazek didn't do too much for me when the signing happened. I didn't expect him to put up stellar numbers but I also didn't expect to see him bottom out as he did.

He'll likely rebound next season closer towards his career norms. I wouldn't pay to get rid of him, but if a trade makes sense for some value you make it.

 

[ULF_55]

Wouldn’t be interested in allowing Florida to get out from that deal, I’d rather allow them to hang themselves with that albatross

I have no interest in helping them out.

Buffalo or Arizona could easily make it work.

Even with Skinner Sabres have lots of room.

 

[ULF_55]

Well if FLA is willing to eat 50% of Bob's cap hit, then I'd be all for it. I would just be stunned they'd want a significant downgrade in goal.

I'm sure they've love to have the 16th. ranked goaltender getting paid appropriately.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I have no interest in helping them out.

Buffalo or Arizona could easily make it work.

Even with Skinner Sabres have lots of room.

Skinner for bob then skinner reverts back to post extension Skinner would be so sweet and cripple both teams going forward

 

[ULF_55]

We don't have equivalent trash to give Florida through.

Exactly, only way it would work would be:

Mrazak and 50% retention.

 

[Stephen]

Mrazek didn't do too much for me when the signing happened. I didn't expect him to put up stellar numbers but I also didn't expect to see him bottom out as he did.

He'll likely rebound next season closer towards his career norms. I wouldn't pay to get rid of him, but if a trade makes sense for some value you make it.

I would pay to get rid of him due to opportunity cost of making an upgrade within the cap. But depends on how much. For example, if we got a pick for Holl and used the pick to package Mrazek off, clearing the $5 + million on those two would be just fine by me.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Mrazek didn't do too much for me when the signing happened. I didn't expect him to put up stellar numbers but I also didn't expect to see him bottom out as he did.

He'll likely rebound next season closer towards his career norms. I wouldn't pay to get rid of him, but if a trade makes sense for some value you make it.

Pretty much how I feel, odds are he bounces back to career norms/league average and at that point $3.8m x2 isn’t a lot of commitment to that kind of player.
It would just be a leafy thing to have happen that we pay assets/swap a bad deal (Connolly buy out etc) to move Pete and all of a sudden he’s back to what he’s always been (or better, dude runs hot and cold like a faucet)
If the cost is too high to move off of there’s a case for bringing him back with another tandem guy and banking on a bounce back

 

[Stephen]

Pretty much how I feel, odds are he bounces back to career norms/league average and at that point $3.8m x2 isn’t a lot of commitment to that kind of player.
It would just be a leafy thing to have happen that we pay assets/swap a bad deal (Connolly buy out etc) to move Pete and all of a sudden he’s back to what he’s always been (or better, dude runs hot and cold like a faucet)
If the cost is too high to move off of there’s a case for bringing him back with another tandem guy and banking on a bounce back

The only criteria I would put on keeping Mrazek is it doesn't stop us getting a Husso or Fleury as the 1A or even re-signing Jack. But I don't really see how that's possible at first glance.

 

[Metroid]

It would just be a leafy thing to have happen that we pay assets/swap a bad deal (Connolly buy out etc) to move Pete and all of a sudden he’s back to what he’s always been (or better, dude runs hot and cold like a faucet)

There's a few posters/ all the haters on the mains in salivating on the thought of that happening for the hfboards rant a thons lol

So that'll probably happen, just cuz.

 

[Nylanderthal]

The only criteria I would put on keeping Mrazek is it doesn't stop us getting a Husso or Fleury as the 1A or even re-signing Jack. But I don't really see how that's possible at first glance.

Pretty easily, they just have to make hard decisions on other guys in the middle of the line up. Definitely have to move Holl and replace him with a sub $1m guy. Kerfoot potentially as well.
Those two replaced with ELC/bargains (I know I like kerfoot too and see his value) allows them to keep the tandem option open.
That said, my first priority is to move off Pete for as little as possible allowing as much cap flexibility as can be mustered

There's a few posters/ all the haters on the mains in salivating on the thought of that happening for the hfboards rant a thons lol

So that'll probably happen, just cuz.

I’m almost expecting mrazek to be Chicago or buffalos all star rep this January

 

[LeafChief]

I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago takes on Mrazek in the same sort of deal that they dumped Connolly.

2 lesser players (both buriable) for Mrazek. People will shit on Mrazek but the reality is, he was a good goalie before this year. Chicago has cap space and needs a goalie.

Things will all start to make more sense once the Finals are over and player movement can begin. There are definitely a handful of Leafs related dominos to come.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If Chicago isn't interested in qualifying Kubalik I wonder if you try to get his rights as part of a Mrazek trade to get ahead of others teams who might be interested.

 

[hamzarocks]

Mrazek didn't have a good year, but the signing was reasonable. Campbell had performed well but was inexperienced, so we needed a tandem goalie. Mrazek was a good tandem goalie, and was coming off a season in which he didn't play much but played very well when he did play.

Again, this discussion was not about whether or not it was a good signing, so I don't know why you're talking about that. The discussion was about whether it was a panic signing. It was very obviously not a panic signing. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term. He wasn't even brought in to be the primary guy. Nothing about it indicated a "panic signing".

Mrazek had a +4.4 GSAx in 52 regular season games and +0.9 GSAx in 7 playoff games over the previous 2 years, for the record.

I'm not sure why you're acting like 3 years is a lot. That's pretty normal for a goalie like that. And it had nothing to do with Campbell.

That's not true at all. We could keep Campbell if we want.

Lol, what are you even talking about. We didn't move on from Campbell at all. He literally played with us all year.

Our defense is very good. We were a 115 point team despite the 8th worst goaltending. We don't need a goalie stealing us games. We just need them to not give them away.

Of course everybody wants a franchise goalie who can carry you, but there are only a handful and they don't get moved.

The goalies didn't give them away, we had breakdowns.

Game 7 the 2nd goal, Brodie got walked by Paul and then Andersen (Campbell I mean just used to saying andersen lol) let's in a soft one/one he could save

Similar stuff happened in game 6 where we defended poorly/made a dumb decision (kerfoot drop pass) and Campbell couldn't make the save

Our defense/forwards have made lots of mistakes which have ended in the back if the net

Habs we saw the marner turnover, the three goals Sandin cost us, one dermott, and one galchenyuk

We need a goalie who can make the save on an unexpected chance as a result of a poor defensive play from our defense/forwards.

Campbell has failed to be that guy, Andersen failed to be that guy, and Mrazek hopefully never gets a chance to be in a playoff game for the leafs

We don't need a superstar goalie, but one who can make big saves even when he isn't being tested for high durations or can step up and make a difficult save off a bad play from the skaters.

Fleury might be that guy, Varlamov, Talbot, Kumepfer etc.

Dubas need to pick a starting caliber goalie with a track record for bailing out teams on rush chances, breakaways, quick chances of turnovers etc.

We need to rely on our scouting and really find a goalie who fits with our defensive system.

I think trying to bring Campbell back, but at $2.5-3 mil or so, is the right thing to do. He's a quality goaltender when he's not injured, and playing well. The problem of course, is he's had to fight through injuries. I don't know if that's his long-term fate, or if a new coaching staff can fix some of his injury woes.

But I think if you go with Campbell, you need another guy at $2mil or so, but someone who could challenge for top spot. Like a Blackwood, or Georgiev.. guys who have shown glimpses of being better, but for whatever reasons, haven't been.

Why would Campbell come back to Toronto at 2.5-3M when Mrazek makes 3.8M?

His minimum ask should be 4M on a 3 year deal.

 

[Stephen]

If Chicago isn't interested in qualifying Kubalik I wonder if you try to get his rights as part of a Mrazek trade to get ahead of others teams who might be interested.

I wonder why Chicago would walk away from assets like that.

 

[hamzarocks]

Pretty easily, they just have to make hard decisions on other guys in the middle of the line up. Definitely have to move Holl and replace him with a sub $1m guy. Kerfoot potentially as well.
Those two replaced with ELC/bargains (I know I like kerfoot too and see his value) allows them to keep the tandem option open.
That said, my first priority is to move off Pete for as little as possible allowing as much cap flexibility as can be mustered


I’m almost expecting mrazek to be Chicago or buffalos all star rep this January

Chicago has Patrick Kane and Alex debrincat still on their team not to mention Seth Jones.

Mrazek won't get pity voted to the all star game when they have a superstar or two and another good player.

He's also not a quality goalie. Last time he played for a tire fire defense was the Wings and his play fell off once they became trash.

He's likely on his final NHL contract unless he gets bought out and signs a cheap 1 year deal.

Super injury prone and overall a medicore goaltender with a history of faltering in the playoffs

 

[BertCorbeau]

I wonder why Chicago would walk away from assets like that.

Probably don't feel like he's worth a $4 mill QO

 

[Nylanderthal]

Chicago has Patrick Kane and Alex debrincat still on their team not to mention Seth Jones.

Mrazek won't get pity voted to the all star game when they have a superstar or two and another good player.

He's also not a quality goalie. Last time he played for a tire fire defense was the Wings and his play fell off once they became trash.

He's likely on his final NHL contract unless he gets bought out and signs a cheap 1 year deal.

Super injury prone and overall a medicore goaltender with a history of faltering in the playoffs

“Super injury prone” dude has a thumb injury in 21 and the groin issues this year that seem attributable to the leafs goaltending department considering how many similar issues all their goalies have.
Sure go ahead and point to a couple of random stretches in the mid 10’s where he missed 6-7-8 games, everyone aside from Kessel and yandle miss time like that over a decade career.
One thumb surgery and one season of never being right directly out of camp doesn’t make him “injury prone”

 

[BertCorbeau]

Looking back at Phili .. seems like Fletcher is going big with trades (and maybe UFA signings). Which is interesting because they have minimal space space.

I would suggest JVR and Sanheim as guys they'll look to trade - 1 year left on their deals, which would free up $11 mill in cap. They'll also probably try to move Risto.

I could see them going big on Klingberg, Kane, and Kadri.

Laughton seems like a Torts kind of guy but I wonder if he could be had if the Flyers are looking for a big shake up.

 

[hamzarocks]

“Super injury prone” dude has a thumb injury in 21 and the groin issues this year that seem attributable to the leafs goaltending department considering how many similar issues all their goalies have.
Sure go ahead and point to a couple of random stretches in the mid 10’s where he missed 6-7-8 games, everyone aside from Kessel and yandle miss time like that over a decade career.
One thumb surgery and one season of never being right directly out of camp doesn’t make him “injury prone”

A goalie missing basically a whole season due to injuries is super concerning

Missing 6-7-8 games is 10-15% of starts for a goalie, and even more for mrazek as he's usually not more than 40ish game goalie

He's had a few groin injuries and for a goalie that is a concerning area.

His play when healthy is medicore in the regular session, and bad in the playoffs. He's usually never healthy enough to get more than 40 games in and the past two years He's been more injured than usual

Mrazek is a major concern for the leafs. He's not good enough to be a starter, not durable enough to give us average goaltending for 3.8M but for 60 games reducing the need for a high priced tandem goalie, and not consistent enough in the playoffs to rely on and expect anything but a first round exit.

He's not a good contract at 3.8Mx2. Have to move on from him and get a better goalie