Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Stephen]

There is absolutely zero evidence or indication that Mrazek was a "panic free agent signing".

You seriously think there would be 'evidence' in the form documentation of a bad free agent signing? Like the term, dollar amount and results don't speak for themselves.

 

[Nylanderthal]

You seriously think there would be 'evidence' in the form documentation of a bad free agent signing? Like the term, dollar amount and results don't speak for themselves.

3 years at sub 4m is pretty on target for a league average goalie which is what Petr has been throughout his entire decade plus long career aside from this season with Toronto. He was the first goalie signed last off season and it certainly was not in a vacuum.
He sucked this year and it’s turned out to be potentially something that will require some creativity to get “out” of this offseason, it that doesn’t mean it was a panic or move.
Chances are probably 50/50 or better he has a career normal or league average season this year and at that point the assets spent moving him might look wasted.

 

[Stephen]

3 years at sub 4m is pretty on target for a league average goalie which is what Petr has been throughout his entire decade plus long career aside from this season with Toronto. He was the first goalie signed last off season and it certainly was not in a vacuum.
He sucked this year and it’s turned out to be potentially something that will require some creativity to get “out” of this offseason, it that doesn’t mean it was a panic or move.
Chances are probably 50/50 or better he has a career normal or league average season this year and at that point the assets spent moving him might look wasted.

I don’t think Mrazek was in a position to really demand that kind of job security coming off injury like that. Andersen had a similar injury issue, is a much more established goalie and only got 2 years at a discount on his last deal.

 

[ULF_55]

Im not liking these new reports claiming leafs want to keep Kerfoot.

Just dont.

I don't think keeping him would be a problem.
Same way I don't think having Tavares is a problem.
Where there might be a problem is the guy standing behind these guys.
You can have all the right parts but you need someone who knows how to put the parts together.

 

[BackPassChampions]

Im not liking these new reports claiming leafs want to keep Kerfoot.

Just dont.

Who’s reporting this???

 

[Menzinger]

There's going to be a lot of media noise between now and early stages of free agency. GMs love certain rumors floating around.

Not to say the Leafs aren't keen on keeping Kerfoot though. There's a logic to it. 45-50 points for less than 4 mil is good value for a guy

 

[Gallagbi]

Some noise around Bobrovski moving out of Florida today, which isnt surprising.

Just wondering if theres a number where he becomes an interesting option. Bob @50% for Mraz, is what made me wonder

 

[Brobust]

There's going to be a lot of media noise between now and early stages of free agency. GMs love certain rumors floating around.

Not to say the Leafs aren't keen on keeping Kerfoot though. There's a logic to it. 45-50 points for less than 4 mil is good value for a guy

Could just be posturing. We hear a lot of 'we don't have to trade this guy and we're happy to keep him', leading up to the TDL and during the offseason.

 

[Stephen]

There's going to be a lot of media noise between now and early stages of free agency. GMs love certain rumors floating around.

Not to say the Leafs aren't keen on keeping Kerfoot though. There's a logic to it. 45-50 points for less than 4 mil is good value for a guy

Kerfoot's value to Toronto (management) seems to be pretty high from the way they've traditionally used him. Guess it depends on how confident they feel any random plug and play skill forward can produce in that 45-50 point range.

 

[Stephen]

Some noise around Bobrovski moving out of Florida today, which isnt surprising.

Just wondering if theres a number where he becomes an interesting option. Bob @50% for Mraz, is what made me wonder

Kind of like the idea of Florida being handcuffed to that Bob contract till Barkov is 30. Puts a limiter on their ability to make finishing touches as a contender and I wouldn't be motivated to spring them free from cap jail. If they can move 50% of that contract hopefully it comes at an astronomical price.

I like the short term fit Fleury represents, as speculated on by Dreger. Fits the veteran, good guy box the Leafs like and he's won, been around winning and grew up with the Crosby Malkin core. A lot to like there for 1-2 years.

 

[stickty111]

Pagnotta says Husso will be the Leafs target if they move on from Campbell

 

[Dreakmur]

You seriously think there would be 'evidence' in the form documentation of a bad free agent signing? Like the term, dollar amount and results don't speak for themselves.

It wasn't a panic move. It was a carefully considered and planned move that was still a horrible decision.

 

[TMLAM34]

Pagnotta says Husso will be the Leafs target if they move on from Campbell

I’m really hoping we see a Varlamov (retained) and Husso tandem next season.

 

[Stephen]

Pagnotta says Husso will be the Leafs target if they move on from Campbell

Works for me.

 

[ToneDog]

Some noise around Bobrovski moving out of Florida today, which isnt surprising.

Just wondering if theres a number where he becomes an interesting option. Bob @50% for Mraz, is what made me wonder

Bob will be 34 in September and has 4 years left. I think I'd rather find another team for mrazek.

 

[Legion34]

I don’t think Mrazek was in a position to really demand that kind of job security coming off injury like that. Andersen had a similar injury issue, is a much more established goalie and only got 2 years at a discount on his last deal.

I mean. Andersen came off a 50
Game stretch of like .885 sv% and a phantom injury.

Andy clearly was the better goalie prior
To the 2020 allstar game. But Andy was
Complete junk in the net for 18 mos in Toronto.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hamzarocks]

There's going to be a lot of media noise between now and early stages of free agency. GMs love certain rumors floating around.

Not to say the Leafs aren't keen on keeping Kerfoot though. There's a logic to it. 45-50 points for less than 4 mil is good value for a guy

that's if he can be a 45-50 point player again.

In his first two years he was not that. Closer to a 30-35 point player.

If we get a solid 2LW, he probably reverts back to a 35ish point 3C, which is fine as long as we don't extend him again

 

[Dekes For Days]

You seriously think there would be 'evidence' in the form documentation of a bad free agent signing? Like the term, dollar amount and results don't speak for themselves.

Nothing about the term, dollar amount, or results are evidence of a "panic signing". In fact, every indication is the opposite. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term.

 

[hamzarocks]

Nothing about the term, dollar amount, or results are evidence of a "panic signing". In fact, every indication is the opposite. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term.

he was coming off a 12-game season...

We were banking on him to find his health and consistency. He played 40, 40, and 39 games the three years prior to 2021 and was a mediocre goalie.

The signing made little sense. We paid nearly 4M for 3 years when we had Campbell who we still expected to be our 1 or 1A and had to extend in a year.

Campbell flopped in the playoffs like most of the team but what was our plan had he played well and deserved a 5-6M contract after a strong contract year?

We were going to lose him as a result of signing Mrazek to an underserving deal.

Dubas does not have a good read on goalies. He kept Andersen going into 2021 after the CBJ loss where people said he was one of the main reasons for us losing and should have been dealt with.

We could have gotten a 2nd+ for Andersen as a 1-year rental, instead, we rolled with him despite having Campbell (Dubas's only good goaltending move being the Campbell trade) for 2 years looking like he could be a 25-30 game starter at minimum over a 56 game season and potentially more. We also had the chance to extend him after the habs loss prior to bringing in Mrazek but went with giving Mrazek 3.8M, which raised how much Campbell would ask for being a better goalie

The Sparks decision ending up being a bad one
Keeping Andersen for 2021 was a bad move
Signing Mrazek to 3 years and basically forcing Campbell out in a year a bad move

He needs to get the goaltending situation figured out this offseason. If its the reason why we are losing in the 1st round like many suggest here, now is the time to get a legit #1 who can support our forward core and defense.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The signing made little sense.

The signing made sense. Campbell had performed well but was inexperienced, so we needed a tandem goalie. Mrazek has been a good tandem goalie throughout his career, and was coming off a season in which he didn't play much but played very well when he did play. Whether or not you think it was a good signing, there is absolutely zero indication that it was a panic signing. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term.

 

[hamzarocks]

The signing made sense. Campbell had performed well but was inexperienced, so we needed a tandem goalie. Mrazek has been a good tandem goalie throughout his career, and was coming off a season in which he didn't play much but played very well when he did play. Whether or not you think it was a good signing, there is absolutely zero indication that it was a panic signing. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term.

It was a bad signing, made by a GM who was trying to recover from an all-time embarrassing 1st-round loss for the Leaf's franchise.

Mrazek was a mediocre goalie with injury issues. His regular-season play was mediocre, but his true play came in the playoffs where he was a .902 goalie with the Canes team (he lost his job in the playoffs at times to Mcbackup and Reimer).

Dubas gave 3 years term to this guy thinking he could use him as Leverage and get Campbell's price to drop down. We paid for a mediocre tandem goalie with poor health and not great playoff play.

His signing made it a certainty we were losing Campbell, as no way the better goalie comes at less than 3.8M with the leafs being too constrained cap-wise to fit in 7.5-8M in goalies.

Mrazek was the biggest mistake of the 2021 off-season for the leafs. His contract was a year too long, and the 3rd year will be what costs us to dump him if we move him this summer.

No reason to go for a tandem when Campbell could have been signed early in last off-season at a reasonable deal (4-4.5M on 4 years for instance) and we could have targetted a backup like Martin Jones, Brayden Holtby, Jaroslav Halak at 2ishM for 1 or 2 years term.

Dubas tried to move on from Campbell without actually trading him. The mrazek signing made it basically impossible to retain Campbell

Dubas needs to acquire a legit #1 this off-season. Not a false tandem guy. We need to have a goalie who can steal games and bail out our teams defense when we have breakdowns and bad reads. Campbell couldn't do it, Mrazek can't do it.

Dubas has to address the main flaw on the team this offseason

 

[Zero1]

Pagnotta says Husso will be the Leafs target if they move on from Campbell

I wonder what a contract looks like for him.

Is 3x$3.5 mill fair?

It puts him back on the market at 30 and he gets some security.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It was a bad signing

Mrazek didn't have a good year, but the signing was reasonable. Campbell had performed well but was inexperienced, so we needed a tandem goalie. Mrazek was a good tandem goalie, and was coming off a season in which he didn't play much but played very well when he did play.

Again, this discussion was not about whether or not it was a good signing, so I don't know why you're talking about that. The discussion was about whether it was a panic signing. It was very obviously not a panic signing. That seemed to be their main target, he signed early in free agency, and he signed for a reasonable cap hit and term. He wasn't even brought in to be the primary guy. Nothing about it indicated a "panic signing".

His regular-season play was mediocre, but his true play came in the playoffs

Mrazek had a +4.4 GSAx in 52 regular season games and +0.9 GSAx in 7 playoff games over the previous 2 years, for the record.

Dubas gave 3 years term to this guy thinking he could use him as Leverage and get Campbell's price to drop down.

I'm not sure why you're acting like 3 years is a lot. That's pretty normal for a goalie like that. And it had nothing to do with Campbell.

His signing made it a certainty we were losing Campbell

That's not true at all. We could keep Campbell if we want.

Dubas tried to move on from Campbell without actually trading him.

Lol, what are you even talking about. We didn't move on from Campbell at all. He literally played with us all year.

We need to have a goalie who can steal games and bail out our teams defense when we have breakdowns and bad reads.

Our defense is very good. We were a 115 point team despite the 8th worst goaltending. We don't need a goalie stealing us games. We just need them to not give them away.

Of course everybody wants a franchise goalie who can carry you, but there are only a handful and they don't get moved.

 

[613Leafer]

I’m really hoping we see a Varlamov (retained) and Husso tandem next season.

Quick is another option for the veteran Varlamov role and Comrie is another option for the unproven guy with upside Husso role. Not saying these are good exciting options either, just sort of some of the shiniest turds in the turd pile.

Varlamov/Quick both only have 1 year left on their deals, aren't the starters for their teams anymore, and should realistically be available as they are expensive 1Bs/backups. Given how thin the market is though, I'm a bit concerned about the type of contract Husso may get. Comrie should be under 2M and only 1-2 years, but Husso is probably 3.5M+ on a 3-4 year deal. Someone is going to risk it.