Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Rob Brown]

They stayed together and she was attempting to to help build back up his reputation.

As someone that lived in the area at the time, I'm pretty familiar with the situation but thank you. I'll stick to my point that I am FIRMLY against domestic violence. The two of you can take whatever position you feel necessary on that.

Absolutely nothing I said in my post implied that I am not against domestic violence. You're weirdly confrontational about this.

All I said was that it's public knowledge that she came out and said that he hadn't hit her. You feel the need to continually tell us all that you are so against domestic violence but think she lied in her statement. Okay.

Anyway, this is wildly off topic.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Whats the point of we go into next season with a much worse team when Matthews and Marner only have a handful of years left? Might be time to bite the bullet and hope a rebuild ends up with guys that don't hold our team hostage with the cap. Build a deeper team instead of a top heavy flashy one. I cant really see how our team pushes through.

It sucks, but now we get the highest quality pieces for Matthews or Marner. Season after next, we are looking at one more year of Matthews with Matthews possibly going for max cap. How are we supposed to afford that?

You expect the Leafs to do a full rebuild because Matthews and Marner might not re-sign?

 

[Rob Brown]

You expect the Leafs to do a full rebuild because Matthews and Marner might not re-sign?

If they both leave, chances are Nylander would have also left or been traded, so I'd wager that it would signal a retool at the very least.

 

[Brobust]

I think if it was as clear cut as an injury issue we wouldn't see such hesitation from the Leafs front office about signing him

For the goalie that he is, he's currently overvalued. They're throwing around numbers like $5x4.

It's also possible that they're just trying to get his price down.

 

[Brobust]

Whats the point of we go into next season with a much worse team when Matthews and Marner only have a handful of years left? Might be time to bite the bullet and hope a rebuild ends up with guys that don't hold our team hostage with the cap. Build a deeper team instead of a top heavy flashy one. I cant really see how our team pushes through.

It sucks, but now we get the highest quality pieces for Matthews or Marner. Season after next, we are looking at one more year of Matthews with Matthews possibly going for max cap. How are we supposed to afford that?

It's an extremely safe bet that management will ice a team that's at least as good as last season.

Their probable losses are Mikheyev and Campbell. As likeable as those guys are, they're not why this tam is so good.

 

[fahad203]

It's an extremely safe bet that management will ice a team that's at least as good as last season.

Their probable losses are Mikheyev and Campbell. As likeable as those guys are, they're not why this tam is so good.

I still think Campbell comes back. Dubas really seems to have a soft spot for him
Mika will be gone.

I expect almost the same team returning last year, except for Spezza ofcourse

 

[OVO16]

Josh Manson has been a game changer for Avs. Exactly what the leafs need

 

[William Hylander]

It's an extremely safe bet that management will ice a team that's at least as good as last season.

Their probable losses are Mikheyev and Campbell. As likeable as those guys are, they're not why this tam is so good.

I personally think Ilya is replaceable, but unless we go and upgrade on Campbell, hes played 2 seasons of league average or above goaltending. Who is out there to give you that? Gibson hasn't really been playing that well, Fluery is aging.

Our backup situation will also probanly be worse. I cant see us improving in goaltending. Our D with an aging Injury prone muzzin will be worse.

That leaves our forwards, with a likelihood of Kerfoof, Mik, Engvall etc. Either being traded or leaving for $$$, I dont think we will go into this season with a more optimistic look than last. Only thing we can hope for is internal growth, and how is Auston or Marner or Nylander going to improve when they likely hit their best statically years age wise. I personally don't see it.

 

[Dreakmur]

You obviously mis-read my comment. Not surprising.

You suggested the Leafs don't have leadership to deal with domestic abusers. My suggestion is that they don't bring in domestic violence criminals at all. To each their own though.

You're conflating two different issues here. I was specifically speaking of players who are currently assholes when discussing leadership on the team. You can pretend that means I want women beaten inside the dressing room if you think that helps your argument.

You also didn't say anything along the line of "if Austin Watson has turned his life around" so that's quite the spin zone.

Strange that you responded to this post:

Richard Clune was a loser until he turned his life around, and Dubas used him as a leader on the Marlies. Assuming he's made a similar turn, it's actually good to have guys that have gone through hard times and come through.

I suppose you could claim that you didn't know "he" was referring to Watson even though that's the player we were discussing.

I'll stick to my point that I am FIRMLY against domestic violence. The two of you can take whatever position you feel necessary on that.

I'll take a nuanced stance if that's allowed. I'm against violence and I'm also for rehabilitation.

 

[kb]

I think if it was as clear cut as an injury issue we wouldn't see such hesitation from the Leafs front office about signing him

My buddy and I saw that he (Campbell got up very slowly from a save where he got clipped and was trying to stretch it out around new years. My buddy is a goalie and told me if his stats takes a dive, its because he was injured.

Lo and behold......

He was injured

 

[fahad203]

Josh Manson has been a game changer for Avs. Exactly what the leafs need

Data shows otherwise

 

[LeafChief]

Josh Manson could be that Muzzin-like player on the right side which would allow us to trade Muzzin for more assets and get Sandin into the lineup full time.

I don't hate it.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I still think Campbell comes back. Dubas really seems to have a soft spot for him
Mika will be gone.

I expect almost the same team returning last year, except for Spezza ofcourse

71-72 all over again. Only one change from the end of the previous season.

How's that for useless trivia?

 

[HomelessPepper]

Kerfoot to Ottawa makes sense, but I'd actually prefer Austin Watson + instead of Connor Brown. Watson would be a beast beside Kampf in a hard defensive unit.

Maybe Kerfoot for Watson and Tampa Bay's 2nd round pick.... of Kerfoot and Mrazek for Watson.

Austin Watson would be a nice pickup too, ignoring for the moment any potential off-ice issues. I'll discuss why I chose brown below in the "Tavares big-bodied cycler" point. Perhaps we throw in another something to get Brown @50% + Watson.

Kuraly would be great in our bottom 6.

Totally agreed. My only concern is, does Columbus have a reason to move him? So it might take a sweetener to "convince" them. It's kind of a, what do they value more? A "top 4" dman or middle six guy?

I think Tavares needs a big-bodied cycler to play with.

Pavel Zacha and Nicolas Roy are both RFAs in Jersey and Vegas respectively. Yakov Trenin is an RFA in Nashville. Nathan Bastian or Max Comtois could be cheaper options on the cap. I doubt Boone Jenner is available, but he'd be a perfect fit there.

This is one of the reasons I targeted Brown. While he's not a bruiser by any means, he bangs and digs in the corners. Beyond that, he provides Kerfoot level offence and defence with a heavier presence. It was a way to change the player without losing anything.

It's probably closer to 2.0, but Ian Cole would be an excellent #7. Solid veteran that can play both sides. I'd be worried that Muzzin and/or Giordano can't play a full season, and having Cole step in beside a young Swede would be ideal.

Another person on my mind was Brenden Smith. Played for Carolina as LD/RD/LW. Provides some good versatility.

I think Husso gets a bit more, but I like that tandem.

Yeah, quite likely 3.5M. What I didn't show was term, and in my capfriendly, I gave him 4 years at 3M to make up for a lesser salary (which may still not be good enough). Maybe the 0.5M we save with Watson instead of ZAR can cover it. Else, maybe Holtby will take less?

 

[Brobust]

I personally think Ilya is replaceable, but unless we go and upgrade on Campbell, hes played 2 seasons of league average or above goaltending. Who is out there to give you that? Gibson hasn't really been playing that well, Fluery is aging.

Our backup situation will also probanly be worse. I cant see us improving in goaltending. Our D with an aging Injury prone muzzin will be worse.

That leaves our forwards, with a likelihood of Kerfoof, Mik, Engvall etc. Either being traded or leaving for $$$, I dont think we will go into this season with a more optimistic look than last. Only thing we can hope for is internal growth, and how is Auston or Marner or Nylander going to improve when they likely hit their best statically years age wise. I personally don't see it.

Conservatively, the team has something like $8-9M to fill out 4 bottom six slot and the goaltending.

That's without trading Kerfoot or Holl and buying out Mrazek instead of trading him.

There's a decent amount of flexibility. Even with minimal moves like Kerfoot and Holl trades, the leafs will end up with space to do things.

 

[fahad203]

71-72 all over again. Only one change from the end of the previous season.

How's that for useless trivia?

Why would you change anything. We broke franchise record for points and lost to former Stanly Cup winners

Dude come on

 

[BertCorbeau]

Josh Manson could be that Muzzin-like player on the right side which would allow us to trade Muzzin for more assets and get Sandin into the lineup full time.

I don't hate it.

Will he come to Toronto though?

 

[LeafChief]

Will he come to Toronto though?

Not a clue.

His dad played here for a 1.5 seasons so he would have lived here for a bit when he was 9-10 years old. I'm sure there will be many teams looking to add him. He's a pretty good player.

 

[Menzinger]

My buddy and I saw that he (Campbell got up very slowly from a save where he got clipped and was trying to stretch it out around new years. My buddy is a goalie and told me if his stats takes a dive, its because he was injured.

Lo and behold......

He was injured

He may very well have dealt with some injury issues this past season. But I also don't think that's enough to explain everything. Ie confidence + consistency issues

 

[kb]

He may very well have dealt with some injury issues this past season. But I also don't think that's enough to explain everything. Ie confidence + consistency issues

But compare it to when his play took a nosedive. I think he lied.

 

[Dreakmur]

This is one of the reasons I targeted Brown. While he's not a bruiser by any means, he bangs and digs in the corners. Beyond that, he provides Kerfoot level offence and defence with a heavier presence. It was a way to change the player without losing anything.

He tries hard, but he gets pushed off the puck pretty easily. I'm not sure he's any better than Kerfoot, though it's good if we can get him for a cheaper cap hit.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Not a clue.

His dad played here for a 1.5 seasons so he would have lived here for a bit when he was 9-10 years old. I'm sure there will be many teams looking to add him. He's a pretty good player.

I thought Toronto was on his ntc list but maybe he’d reconsider.. he’s going to get a nice payday for a defensive D-man though

 

[LeafChief]

I thought Toronto was on his ntc list but maybe he’d reconsider.. he’s going to get a nice payday for a defensive D-man though

I'm pretty sure Brodie had Toronto on his no-trade list at one point as well. These things are all fluid.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Why would you change anything. We broke franchise record for points and lost to former Stanly Cup winners

Dude come on

For the record, I would have gone for a new coach.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Whats the point of we go into next season with a much worse team when Matthews and Marner only have a handful of years left? Might be time to bite the bullet and hope a rebuild ends up with guys that don't hold our team hostage with the cap. Build a deeper team instead of a top heavy flashy one. I cant really see how our team pushes through.

It sucks, but now we get the highest quality pieces for Matthews or Marner. Season after next, we are looking at one more year of Matthews with Matthews possibly going for max cap. How are we supposed to afford that?

They aren't going into next season with a worse team that is not going to happen

I'm pretty sure Brodie had Toronto on his no-trade list at one point as well. These things are all fluid.

Originally he didn't but after Kadri rejected the trade to Calgary Brodie did put Toronto on his no trade list