Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[BertCorbeau]

Tanner Pearson is rumoured to be available. That would be a solid top 9 addition especially with skins retention.

 

[Menzinger]

Sandin + Knies + 2023 1st for Chychrun

Would you do it?

Nope. Too many assets moved out for a position (left sided D) that the team is already fine at.

He's a good player, but the Leafs already have several D who can drive offense from the backend if need be. So his value is ultimately less to the Leafs than other teams

 

[Stephen]

I am simply saying value wise, not in terms of being the same player. They can both be valuable dmen in different ways. Sandin showed a lot of growth this past year and if not for injuries I think he was on track to establish himself more. The potential is there for him to be a pretty good top 4D, which at this point in time is what Chychrun is right now. Sandin is also two years younger.

I don’t believe that to be true because so much of what makes Chychrun appealing is actually the projectable athletic potential he possesses vs Sandin. That isn’t to say when their careers are all done he’ll be a better player but you’re trading for a gifted athlete who can grow into a top pairing role.

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't think that Mrazek's value is lower than Ritchie's.

One (outlier) injury plagued off year doesn't lower values by very much.

It lowers the value a lot for a goaltender making 1.3M more (cap hit, but salary is much higher) with 1 more season.

If Dubas can punt Mrazek away for less, than I'll give him full credit.

 

[Kiwi]

I see us being able to get Nemec joining our next wave of youth, a young goalie and the $$ can be used for different wingers that may gel with JT more. Different doesn't mean worse as long as Dubas doesn't miss on UFA wingers for JT.

I don't see it as a big drop in value tying Mrazek to the deal bt I am open to what you both think of as a viable alternative to the one I have, hit me

Trade Muzzin, that opens up enough money to get a good complimentary winger for Tavares

If JT can't work with a PPG playmaking winger like Nylander we have some serious problems

 

[WTFMAN99]

Trade Muzzin, that opens up enough money to get a good complimentary winger for Tavares

If JT can't work with a PPG playmaking winger like Nylander we have some serious problems

I'm certainly in the trade Muzzin (and Holl...and Kerfoot...and Mrazek) camp.

I'm mostly in the trade 88 camp because I don't think they'll trade JT, either he won't waive the NMC or they won't have the hard conversation. So next up...Nylander and I don't think he has chemistry with JT. There was significant chunks of time where the 2 of them were doing absolutely nothing at 5v5, it was just the PP sustaining their production.

Just my 2 cents.

Ideal target for a winger in the top 6 is Reilly Smith if you can keep the term reasonable, the playoff production is really good and he has 1-time ability so he could be a weapon for PP2 at worst.

 

[Zero1]

If Bergeron retires, how much would Marchand cost? Lol

$6.125 mill x 3 left and he’s 34.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

If Bergeron retires, how much would Marchand cost? Lol

$6.125 mill x 3 left and he’s 34.

Add the rivalry tax on whatever you think the price is, so it’s automatically an overpay.

I’m just really confused why they traded for and signed Lindholm to a 6 year deal. They have an awful cap situation without resigning Bergeron too

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Trade Muzzin, that opens up enough money to get a good complimentary winger for Tavares

If JT can't work with a PPG playmaking winger like Nylander we have some serious problems

It is a two-way street with those two, and both provide complimentary elements to each other. Tavares is important for the puck in tight. Nylander is important for the puck in space. If one of them is struggling, then it is hard for the other one to really do their job effectively, especially without a 3rd guy.

I like Kerfoot, and I think he can play fairly well off of a Nylander, but he is not exactly the kind of guy who you put in front of the net to let Tavares operate in other areas. It is somewhat the opposite problem you have with a Ritchie; he is a guy who can play off of Tavares by handling some of those physical battles, but he doesn't have the ability to play off of Nylander on the rush.

 

[thusk]

It is a two-way street with those two, and both provide complimentary elements to each other. Tavares is important for the puck in tight. Nylander is important for the puck in space. If one of them is struggling, then it is hard for the other one to really do their job effectively, especially without a 3rd guy.

I like Kerfoot, and I think he can play fairly well off of a Nylander, but he is not exactly the kind of guy who you put in front of the net to let Tavares operate in other areas. It is somewhat the opposite problem you have with a Ritchie; he is a guy who can play off of Tavares by handling some of those physical battles, but he doesn't have the ability to play off of Nylander on the rush.

Its more than playing in tight spot or in space... most of scoring chance nylander create come from counter-attack and from the rush with speed...

jt more a type of player who will create offensive by rushing the net...send the puck to the net and work hard on tight space...

They dont play the same type of game and probably that didn't work together... i think tavares would be better with a kind of bunting or hyman over nylander

 

[ULF_55]

I'm certainly in the trade Muzzin (and Holl...and Kerfoot...and Mrazek) camp.

I'm mostly in the trade 88 camp because I don't think they'll trade JT, either he won't waive the NMC or they won't have the hard conversation. So next up...Nylander and I don't think he has chemistry with JT. There was significant chunks of time where the 2 of them were doing absolutely nothing at 5v5, it was just the PP sustaining their production.

Just my 2 cents.

Ideal target for a winger in the top 6 is Reilly Smith if you can keep the term reasonable, the playoff production is really good and he has 1-time ability so he could be a weapon for PP2 at worst.

I'm not limiting my trade list like you are.

Untouchables for me are Matthews, Knies and ummm Giordano because he took a hit for the team.

 

[Rielly4]

Tavares just isnt good at C unless hes playing with grinders. Hes slow and doesnt handle the puck all that well in the neutral zone. JT could play on any line and be effective if he was on the Wing. But at Centre, he wont work with Willy. My feeling is Marner is moving to 2C this year.

P.S We can NOT trade Knies. He is the ELC powerforward we need starting in 2023-2024

 

[Legion34]

I would only consider nylander if it led to a longer term player who would make less than willy on his raise when Matthews comes due

Necas and pesce for willy and Holl Konda base makes sense.

Or sign like a kadri/giroux for 7 and then trade willy.

Or trade hun for JT Miller if his extension was ok.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Tyler Motte is a 4th line player of interest for me .. brings a lot of physicality, energy and grit that would be great on the fourth line IMO.

 

[Stephen]

It is a two-way street with those two, and both provide complimentary elements to each other. Tavares is important for the puck in tight. Nylander is important for the puck in space. If one of them is struggling, then it is hard for the other one to really do their job effectively, especially without a 3rd guy.

I like Kerfoot, and I think he can play fairly well off of a Nylander, but he is not exactly the kind of guy who you put in front of the net to let Tavares operate in other areas. It is somewhat the opposite problem you have with a Ritchie; he is a guy who can play off of Tavares by handling some of those physical battles, but he doesn't have the ability to play off of Nylander on the rush.

Nylander and Tavares aren't a natural fit.

When Matthews was out and Marner was playing with Tavares it was a nice refresher on what Tavares needs and hasn't gotten on the second line. Marner was the principle puck carrier and did a nice job running routes that bought Tavares time to catch up on the play, shrink the area of the attack down and set up little area plays closer to the net. Basically kill open ice.

On the other hand, Nylander wants to live off the rush/counter rush and had numerous breakaways in the playoffs to demonstrate this. Kerfoot can play that game but Tavares doesn't do well if it's a back and forth track meet.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Tyler Motte is a 4th line player of interest for me .. brings a lot of physicality, energy and grit that would be great on the fourth line IMO.

Problem is, he is pretty much useless otherwise. I think it is a good time to get our 4th line some offensive talent which can provide some secondary offense.

 

[OVO16]

Mathew Knies is the first legit Power Forward the Leafs are gonna have in decades. He should be untouchable. There's a reason other fanbases want him in every package in potential trades.

My guess is......Dubas will try to find a top 6 LW with some size and grit to his game. Someone with an edge and tenacity (Tyler Bertuzzi, Nick Paul, etc..)

And then will find a cheap placeholder (this year's version of Kase) until Knies gets ready to make the jump before the playoffs. That leaves us with..

Bertuzzi/Paul/Etc...
Knies
Bunting
Engvall

...On the left side. Tough, gritty players with offensive upside. Makes our top 9 more balanced

 

[Nylanderthal]

Mathew Knies is the first legit Power Forward the Leafs are gonna have in decades. He should be untouchable. There's a reason other fanbases want him in every package in potential trades.

My guess is......Dubas will try to find a top 6 LW with some size and grit to his game. Someone with an edge and tenacity (Tyler Bertuzzi, Nick Paul, etc..)

And then will find a cheap placeholder (this year's version of Kase) until Knies gets ready to make the jump before the playoffs. That leaves us with..

Bertuzzi/Paul/Etc...
Knies
Bunting
Engvall

...On the left side. Tough, gritty players with offensive upside. Makes our top 9 more balanced

Bertuzzi isn’t an option for reasons we’re all aware of. Until both federal governments change their policies it’s not even worth discussing

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Nylander and Tavares aren't a natural fit.

When Matthews was out and Marner was playing with Tavares it was a nice refresher on what Tavares needs and hasn't gotten on the second line. Marner was the principle puck carrier and did a nice job running routes that bought Tavares time to catch up on the play, shrink the area of the attack down and set up little area plays closer to the net. Basically kill open ice.

On the other hand, Nylander wants to live off the rush/counter rush and had numerous breakaways in the playoffs to demonstrate this. Kerfoot can play that game but Tavares doesn't do well if it's a back and forth track meet.

That is effectively what I said, but I didn't limit them to very specific scenarios because they are not just effective in those scenarios.

I don't exactly see how that doesn't make them a good fit for each other though. Nylander is not a pure rush player, and Tavares is not a pure cycle player. But they handle the responsibilities that the other guy needs to have handled by their linemates to be the most effective, even if Nylander is not the playmaker that Marner is.

The line needs a guy who can play on the counter rush with Nylander (like Kerfoot), but also compliment Tavares down low on the cycle (which Kerfoot was not able to do nearly as well). Kerfoot's value on the cycle is not really needed when we activate our defense, so we can afford to sacrifice that for someone who can help Tavares.

I think that is why a guy like Niederreiter is being pushed fairly hard. He can do that. Reilly Smith is not ideal as a net front guy, but he works well below the hashmarks otherwise. Max Comtois works. Knies works. I think Joey Anderson could even work, and may be the guy I would consider using there if we move Nylander to LW.

 

[TMLAM34]

With Briere finally leaving the organization, it seems like Dubas will be moving on from Campbell.

Kuemper is the only true number 1 goaltender through free agency which I don’t think the Leafs will be able to afford.

Varlamov seems like the only other number 1 goalie that’s possibly available via trade. I can see Dubas and Lou already talking about it.

 

[Americanadian]

Trades:
Engvall to ARI for TOR 2023 3rd
Muzzin+Kerfoot to ANA for Henrique+Stolarz
Nylander+Mrazek+Holl to CAR for Pesce+Raanta (Carolina probably adds Drury)
Malgin to NJ for Bastian
Offer sheet Mangiapane 6Mx5 (2023 1st+3rd)

Signings:
Offer sheet Mangiapane 6Mx5
Sign Rodrigues 3Mx3
Sign Marchment 4.5Mx4
Sign Larsson 1.1X1
Sign Sandin 1.25Mx1
Sign Liljegren 1.5Mx2

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Mangiapane-Tavares-Marchment
Larsson-Henrique-Rodrigues
Holmberg-Kampf-Bastian

Rielly-Pesce
Giordano-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren

Raanta
Comrie

Roughly 1.2M in cap space. All 4 forward lines have positive defensive impacts.

 

[Brobust]

Trades:
Engvall to ARI for TOR 2023 3rd
Muzzin+Kerfoot to ANA for Henrique+Stolarz
Nylander+Mrazek+Holl to CAR for Pesce+Raanta (Carolina probably adds Drury)
Malgin to NJ for Bastian
Offer sheet Mangiapane 6Mx5 (2023 1st+3rd)

Signings:
Offer sheet Mangiapane 6Mx5
Sign Rodrigues 3Mx3
Sign Marchment 4.5Mx4
Sign Larsson 1.1X1
Sign Sandin 1.25Mx1
Sign Liljegren 1.5Mx2

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Mangiapane-Tavares-Marchment
Larsson-Henrique-Rodrigues
Holmberg-Kampf-Bastian

Rielly-Pesce
Giordano-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren

Raanta
Comrie

Roughly 1.2M in cap space. All 4 forward lines have positive defensive impacts.

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That's a wonderful fantasy.

 

[Americanadian]

That's a wonderful fantasy.

Which trades/signings are unrealistic?

 

[supermann_98]

Sandin + Knies + 2023 1st for Chychrun

Would you do it?

Hell no.

 

[Brobust]

Which trades/signings are unrealistic?

Everything's fine outside the offer sheet.

But I just don't think we'll see a massive shakeup.