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I do feel like New Jersey has a lot of pieces that could be of interest this off-season. After sitting on it for few minutes, these were the pieces I wanted. With Nylander moving on they punch a hole for a starting goalie salary and they gain a long term top line player with the #2 pick.

William Nylander + Petr Mrazek + Ondrej Kase + 27th Overall Pick

for

Michael McLeod + Mackenzie Blackwood + Miles Wood + 2nd Overall Pick
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Kerfoot value is more or less fine, although I think we could get another pick out of it.

Holl's return is nowhere near good enough and that is way too much to dump Mrazek.
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I disagree on the Mrazek part but I can see the Holl one being not good enough, he's way underrated. I think something around Holl for Korpisalo could work out though and I think he can bounce back really well infront of a much better team.
 
SprDaVE said:
I disagree on the Mrazek part but I can see the Holl one being not good enough, he's way underrated. I think something around Holl for Korpisalo could work out though and I think he can bounce back really well infront of a much better team.
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Korpisalo has odd flashes of brilliance but is mostly a subpar goalie for the NHL... And in the best case, he does well and is a UFA next year.

I'd rather just sign a cheap backup in UFA.

As for Mrazek, that is the kind of price it took to dump Gostisbehere with 2 years left on his deal. Gostisbehere has 700k more cap and was coming off of 2, if not 3, straight years of very subpar performance, especially in regards to his cap hit.

There are enough teams who need goalies to overlook Mrazek's down year, especially if he costs them nothing.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Here's what I came up with. Nothing huge, just simple cap clearing things and reloading for another shot with the same core, but with different goaltending.

-Kerfoot to the Stars for a 2nd (#50)
  • Very straight forward. I think he fits that team very well. Leafs get cap space and then...
-Mrazek, a 2nd round pick (#50 from Stars) and Malgin to the Hawks for Khaira
  • A good pick and decent youngish player to take on a dump for a couple seasons. Khaira should be healthy and I think really gives the Leafs a solid and big energy 4th liner.
-Holl to the Blue Jackets for Korpisalo and our 4th round pick back.
  • I feel like this is pretty fair? Holl would give them a good boost defensively, Leafs get a cheap goaltender that has struggled badly last couple seasons but has shown some form of ability in the past. Could use a change of teams.
I'd look into moving Muzzin but I feel like he's too good for the value they'd get back.

Hard to know which free agent is available and what not a good month ahead but the big hole right now is goaltending. I liked Mrazek and Driedger this time last year so perhaps my goaltending scouting eye isn't great. My best bet would be Kuemper will be the #1 target.

After re-signing Engvall, Sandin and Liljegren (bridged), Leafs should have around 10M in cap space with these moves. I don't think Kase will be back unless he takes another 1 year deal around the same money he made. Big need is obviously a goaltender, at least 1 good top 9 forward and a bottom pairing/depth defenseman.
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The Kerfoot 2nd for the Mrazek is conceptually what I see as well, use a roster cap dump to generate an asset to package off for a toxic asset disposal. But seems a little too expensive on the Chicago end. Keep in mind some NHL teams may actually be motivated to have a terrible stop gap goalie to get to where they want to be (basement).
 
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Magic Man said:
I do feel like New Jersey has a lot of pieces that could be of interest this off-season. After sitting on it for few minutes, these were the pieces I wanted. With Nylander moving on they punch a hole for a starting goalie salary and they gain a long term top line player with the #2 pick.

William Nylander + Petr Mrazek + Ondrej Kase + 27th Overall Pick

for

Michael McLeod + Mackenzie Blackwood + Miles Wood + 2nd Overall Pick
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If we were confident that we could sign a top six forward, with the cap savings, the basis for this deal is attractive enough, though I'd try and do it, without giving up the 27th.

I know Miles Wood is a favourite around here, but is he really the guy we want? The type of hip surgery he's had, it's hard to come back from that and be the same as he was before. Plus, he made $2.75 on his last contract, what is he going to get on the next one? On top of that, he's a LW. I know LW has been an issue in the past, but we've got so many assets in prospects at LW, and if you trade away Nylander and Kase (both RW), suddenly we have a ton on LW, and Marner, Blackwell and Simmonds as natural RW, plus Joey Andersen.

If you are insistent on keeping Wood in the deal, I think the 27th OA stays, and maybe we put in Robertson and ask for Holtz, who should be a very good RW.

But an interesting framework for a deal anyway.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Here's what I came up with. Nothing huge, just simple cap clearing things and reloading for another shot with the same core, but with different goaltending.

-Kerfoot to the Stars for a 2nd (#50)
  • Very straight forward. I think he fits that team very well. Leafs get cap space and then...
-Mrazek, a 2nd round pick (#50 from Stars) and Malgin to the Hawks for Khaira
  • A good pick and decent youngish player to take on a dump for a couple seasons. Khaira should be healthy and I think really gives the Leafs a solid and big energy 4th liner.
-Holl to the Blue Jackets for Korpisalo and our 4th round pick back.
  • I feel like this is pretty fair? Holl would give them a good boost defensively, Leafs get a cheap goaltender that has struggled badly last couple seasons but has shown some form of ability in the past. Could use a change of teams.
I'd look into moving Muzzin but I feel like he's too good for the value they'd get back.

Hard to know which free agent is available and what not a good month ahead but the big hole right now is goaltending. I liked Mrazek and Driedger this time last year so perhaps my goaltending scouting eye isn't great. My best bet would be Kuemper will be the #1 target.

After re-signing Engvall, Sandin and Liljegren (bridged), Leafs should have around 10M in cap space with these moves. I don't think Kase will be back unless he takes another 1 year deal around the same money he made. Big need is obviously a goaltender, at least 1 good top 9 forward and a bottom pairing/depth defenseman.
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Kerfoot trade works for me.

I'm not huge on Kharia, but he's a fine 12/13th F. I'm assuming you're adding the second to dump Mrazek because there's no way he's worth that?

I have 0 interest in Korpisalo though. Besides his rookie year and that playoff series vs us he's been a terrible NHL goalie. I think we could do much better for Holl.
 
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Fogelhund said:
If we were confident that we could sign a top six forward, with the cap savings, the basis for this deal is attractive enough, though I'd try and do it, without giving up the 27th.

I know Miles Wood is a favourite around here, but is he really the guy we want? The type of hip surgery he's had, it's hard to come back from that and be the same as he was before. Plus, he made $2.75 on his last contract, what is he going to get on the next one? On top of that, he's a LW. I know LW has been an issue in the past, but we've got so many assets in prospects at LW, and if you trade away Nylander and Kase (both RW), suddenly we have a ton on LW, and Marner, Blackwell and Simmonds as natural RW, plus Joey Andersen.

If you are insistent on keeping Wood in the deal, I think the 27th OA stays, and maybe we put in Robertson and ask for Holtz, who should be a very good RW.

But an interesting framework for a deal anyway.
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I view him and Kase straight up as a pretty good base. Kase played 50+ games last season and Wood only played 3. Wood has a higher qualifying offer. So, the Devils could view him as the better asset.

I think I would try to sign him for around what Ritchie signed for. 2.5-2.75M, so about what he's making now for 2 years and if he reinjures himself they can just LTIR and try out someone new, same way they would if they re-signed Kase. But, I think worst case he signs for his qualifying offer for 1 year at 3.5M, I'm not sure how arbitration could elevate that number. Short term is probably the safest play for him. But, I think Wood and McLeod would add some spice to the bottom-6.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Trocheck
#2 Overall - McLeod - Engvall
Wood - Kampf - Acciari
ex. Simmonds

Kerfoot traded.
 
SprDaVE said:
Here's what I came up with. Nothing huge, just simple cap clearing things and reloading for another shot with the same core, but with different goaltending.

-Kerfoot to the Stars for a 2nd (#50)
  • Very straight forward. I think he fits that team very well. Leafs get cap space and then...
-Mrazek, a 2nd round pick (#50 from Stars) and Malgin to the Hawks for Khaira
  • A good pick and decent youngish player to take on a dump for a couple seasons. Khaira should be healthy and I think really gives the Leafs a solid and big energy 4th liner.
-Holl to the Blue Jackets for Korpisalo and our 4th round pick back.
  • I feel like this is pretty fair? Holl would give them a good boost defensively, Leafs get a cheap goaltender that has struggled badly last couple seasons but has shown some form of ability in the past. Could use a change of teams.
I'd look into moving Muzzin but I feel like he's too good for the value they'd get back.

Hard to know which free agent is available and what not a good month ahead but the big hole right now is goaltending. I liked Mrazek and Driedger this time last year so perhaps my goaltending scouting eye isn't great. My best bet would be Kuemper will be the #1 target.

After re-signing Engvall, Sandin and Liljegren (bridged), Leafs should have around 10M in cap space with these moves. I don't think Kase will be back unless he takes another 1 year deal around the same money he made. Big need is obviously a goaltender, at least 1 good top 9 forward and a bottom pairing/depth defenseman.
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Think the Kerfoot trade and Mrazek trade are pretty realistic value vise. Wouldnt be surprised at all if thats how it works out.
 
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Menzinger said:
Ganger wouldn't be my first choice.

That said, 31 points at 13ish min TOI and had 65% defensive zone starts.

He wouldn't be the worst option as a Spezza replacement for some skill in the bottom six.

Though I suspect most folks (myself included) wouldn't mind some guys there with a bit more of a bang to their game
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more bang will likely mean more buck as well
 
Morgs said:
I'm not huge on Kharia, but he's a fine 12/13th F. I'm assuming you're adding the second to dump Mrazek because there's no way he's worth that?

I have 0 interest in Korpisalo though. Besides his rookie year and that playoff series vs us he's been a terrible NHL goalie. I think we could do much better for Holl.
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Yes that's part of it. It's more or less the Ritchie trade but a little more expensive because he's worse in terms of value.

I'm just trying to find a way to shift pieces around to plug some holes. Leafs need goaltending and I think for 1.3M, Korpisalo is worth a shot at the very least being a capable back-up. You can send him to the Marlies for just around 100k against the cap (I think) if he sucks and Kallgren or Woll takes over the back-up role. Maybe Columbus can retain a little bit to make his contract even better as well.

I think Holl is underrated but I have a feeling his value is relatively low around the league. Not sure you'll get much better than a mid round pick or two.
 
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Magic Man said:
I view him and Kase straight up as a pretty good base. Kase played 50+ games last season and Wood only played 3. Wood has a higher qualifying offer. So, the Devils could view him as the better asset.

I think I would try to sign him for around what Ritchie signed for. 2.5-2.75M, so about what he's making now for 2 years and if he reinjures himself they can just LTIR and try out someone new, same way they would if they re-signed Kase. But, I think worst case he signs for his qualifying offer for 1 year at 3.5M, I'm not sure how arbitration could elevate that number. Short term is probably the safest play for him. But, I think Wood and McLeod would add some spice to the bottom-6.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Trocheck
#2 Overall - McLeod - Engvall
Wood - Kampf - Acciari
ex. Simmonds

Kerfoot traded.
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I think it’s a stretch assume #2OA would be on the roster.
 
TMLAM34 said:
What do you guys think Vincent Trocheck is going to sign for?
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Coming off 4.75m AAV. Doubt we can afford him. I like Vatrano who has played with Matty but he will probably command close to $3m.

Thinking Dubas will go hard for Marchment and move Kerfoot.
 
Menzinger said:
Why lower Nylanders value by tieing it to Mrazek?
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Kiwi said:
I don't think we have the time for a retool, waiting on the 2nd OA to become a difference maker is fine depending on your situation but Matthews can resign next offseason

I'm not sure how he's going to react to us getting worse next season



Plenty, a PPG forward with term making 7M is worth plenty
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I see us being able to get Nemec joining our next wave of youth, a young goalie and the $$ can be used for different wingers that may gel with JT more. Different doesn't mean worse as long as Dubas doesn't miss on UFA wingers for JT.

I don't see it as a big drop in value tying Mrazek to the deal bt I am open to what you both think of as a viable alternative to the one I have, hit me :)
 
Yea, the more I think about it, the more even attaching a 2nd to Mrazek looks like a miscalculation.

The worst individual season penalty from a buyout is $1.4M, which has been valued at a 4th round pick in cap space roughly based on Sna Jose brokering our Foligno trade. And when we retained $1.1M on Lehner, we got a 5th.

Therefore I would pay about the equivalent value to a 4th, 5th, and two 6th's to dump Mrazek. Anything significantly more than that and I'd just buy him out.

Would be cool if the Leafs could even spin this into a contract/reserve list dump kind of move (ie. Mrazek, Malgin, Gogolev, 4th for Future Considerations).
 
Duke16 said:
Yea, the more I think about it, the more even attaching a 2nd to Mrazek looks like a miscalculation.

The worst individual season penalty from a buyout is $1.4M, which has been valued at a 4th round pick in cap space roughly based on Sna Jose brokering our Foligno trade. And when we retained $1.1M on Lehner, we got a 5th.

Therefore I would pay about the equivalent value to a 4th, 5th, and two 6th's to dump Mrazek. Anything significantly more than that and I'd just buy him out.

Would be cool if the Leafs could even spin this into a contract/reserve list dump kind of move (ie. Mrazek, Malgin, Gogolev, 4th for Future Considerations).
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This just means that other teams will ask for a lot and Toronto doesn't have the incentive to pay it.

For Toronto, since money isn't an issue, it's about saving $1-1.4M(buyout hit) in cap space over 4 years.

For other teams, it's about taking on over $8m in salary.
 
We can get Bertuzzi without giving up Nylander. I dont see Dubas giving up Nylander anyways.

Would Bertuzzi be able to play in Canada or nah?
 
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SprDaVE said:
Yes that's part of it. It's more or less the Ritchie trade but a little more expensive because he's worse in terms of value.

I'm just trying to find a way to shift pieces around to plug some holes. Leafs need goaltending and I think for 1.3M, Korpisalo is worth a shot at the very least being a capable back-up. You can send him to the Marlies for just around 100k against the cap (I think) if he sucks and Kallgren or Woll takes over the back-up role. Maybe Columbus can retain a little bit to make his contract even better as well.

I think Holl is underrated but I have a feeling his value is relatively low around the league. Not sure you'll get much better than a mid round pick or two.
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I don't think that Mrazek's value is lower than Ritchie's.

One (outlier) injury plagued off year doesn't lower values by very much.

TMLAM34 said:
Sandin + Knies + 2023 1st for Chychrun

Would you do it?
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So who of Rielly, Muzzin, or Giordano do we jettison?

Not sure I would do it for 2 of the 3 pieces, let alone all 3.
 
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