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Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

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Menzinger said:
No reclamation project is ever going to be perfect. But if they can get him for a fair price Id definitely hope the Leafs are on it
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If McDavid can't spark this donkey I don't know who can possibly get anything out of him. The book on him is he is a literal donkey and doesn't like to be coached too much. If he was practically free I would go for it but he only got 36 points on that team with all the scoring. He seems like a slightly better version of Yakapov.
 
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I think Mercer + Blackwood would be a great start in return for Nylander. I don’t see New Jersey willing to part with the 2nd overall pick. Zacha is another name I’d have interest in.

Mercer + Zacha + McLeod + Blackwood FOR Nylander + Simmonds
 
LaPlante94 said:
Think I heard all of this about Nischuskin when he was in Dallas, now look at him. If you can get Puljujarvi and surround him with the talent we got then I don't know why you wouldn't try him out, especially when he's not gonna kill our cap.
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I know that Nichushkin is playing well right now, but you also have to consider that this is a contract year. Puljarvi has had lots of opportunities to play with both McDavid and Draisaitl. So playing with better players isn't really a solution. And where exactly does he play and what's the price tag to acquire him and sign him?
 
showtime8 said:
I know that Nichushkin is playing well right now, but you also have to consider that this is a contract year. Puljarvi has had lots of opportunities to play with both McDavid and Draisaitl. So playing with better players isn't really a solution. And where exactly does he play and what's the price tag to acquire him and sign him?
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Sometimes it’s growth and maturity in his game. Power forwards can take time to develop.

Burakovsky is another example.

Not saying I want to trade for him or sign him but it is food for thought
 
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Menzinger said:
He's got draft pedigree and depsite a rough start like a guy whose finally started to find his groove offensively. He's also probably going to have a cheapish next contract.

Seems like a low risk potentially high reward option for me. Edmonton doesn't exactly have the best track record developing struggling talent, so I'd like to see what he can do elsewhere
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I don't think the Leafs have the timeline to try and find his ultimate ceiling. The reason I say that is, I think that at best he becomes a 30 goal scorer but you will need to surround him with top power play units. And the Leafs don't have the flexibility in the roster to give him those chances.

I also think that the dynamics of the Leafs roster needs a big overhaul and he would only fit on the 2nd line. So unless Nylander is moved in some massive package, I don't see him on this team.
 
BertCorbeau said:
Sometimes it’s growth and maturity in his game. Power forwards can take time to develop.

Burakovsky is another example.

Not saying I want to trade for him or sign him but it is food for thought
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Yeah, that's a fair comment to make.

My overall concern is, they are going to want some sort of assets that justify the draft position(ish). The growth in his game isn't substantial. Even with shortened seasons, he's only managed to score max 15 goals.

And then it boils down to how the 3rd line should play. In my opinion, you need to find a 3rd line similar to what Tampa has done. Why? Because it works. The Colton-Paul-Hagel combo or something similar to that. Even when they had Goodrow-Coleman-Gourde. Find guys that are hard to play against and can chip in on the big games. Paul did it to the Leafs this year. Colton scored the Stanley Cup winner in game 5 last year I think. Contrary to the Leafs third line of Engvall-Kampf-Kerfoot or some variation to include Nylander or MIkheyev. And I don't think that Puljuarjvi does that for you.
 
showtime8 said:
I don't think the Leafs have the timeline to try and find his ultimate ceiling. The reason I say that is, I think that at best he becomes a 30 goal scorer but you will need to surround him with top power play units. And the Leafs don't have the flexibility in the roster to give him those chances.

I also think that the dynamics of the Leafs roster needs a big overhaul and he would only fit on the 2nd line. So unless Nylander is moved in some massive package, I don't see him on this team.
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Eh I don't think the timeline for the team matters to the addition of a depth top 9/6 winger. Especially given how cheap his contract is going to be.

Imo a big need for the team is secondary offense and he's got the potential to help deliver that (if he clicks).

I just see this as one of those rare opportunities/gambles to potentially pick up a guy who may be on the cusp of breaking out.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Not as good of a draft.

2nd overall+Blackwood for 88+Mrazek base
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I don't think we have the time for a retool, waiting on the 2nd OA to become a difference maker is fine depending on your situation but Matthews can resign next offseason

I'm not sure how he's going to react to us getting worse next season

LeafChief said:
What's the cost to acquire a 25-26 year old 30 goal/80 point forward?
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Plenty, a PPG forward with term making 7M is worth plenty
 
SprDaVE said:
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Yea... 7 million on an 8 year deal with the Oilers.....8 million on a 7 year deal from others.

If it's a 7 year deal for Edmonton and with other team than I bet it's 9 million for Edmonton and 7 million for others.

I think the only way he stays in Edmonton is if other teams aren't willing to offer him a long term contract (which is likely given his history). It's still Edmonton and not a highly desirable location, especially for a guy who likes to live large like Kane.

If it is a one or two year deal - than Kane's best odds of continuing to make big bucks on one year contracts or getting a chance at a longer term contract is probably still through McDavid in Edmonton.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Really don't understand why some here are selling Willie at a huge discount price.

I won't even trade Shane Wright for him at this moment, b/c Wright would be lucky if he can be like Hirsher if not he is going to Nuge. OFcourse, this is my view at this moment.
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Don't get the rush to trade Nylander either. The only player that makes sense to trade right now is Marner. We can do ALOT with 11 million (and the assets we get for trading him). Sure Marner has been an excellent defensive forward in the playoffs (and season) but he has 2 goals and 16 points in his last 19 playoff games. 1 million dollar David Kampf has 2 goals in his past 7 playoff games for the Leafs and has played excellent defensively himself. If hKampf played with Matthews, on the #1 powerplay and 25 minutes a night would Kampf have 16 points in 19 games too? This isn't mentioning Marner's history of gaffs in elimination games.

With 11 million we need to replace Marners defensive play, 2 goals and 16 points in 19 playoff games
With 7 million we need to replace Nylanders 10 goals, 9 assists and 19 points in 19 playoff games.

Mind boggling that this guy (Marner) continues to get chances - 7 goals and 33 points in 39 playoff games. Think all but one series was with a franchise center. It's really pathetic.
 
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Stephen said:
A $7 million cap for Kane would blow up Edmonton's cap pretty quickly.
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He definitely made much more than a 7 million dollar impact on their team. Without him, I don't think they would've made the playoffs. They were a two-player team and Hyman. I think he allowed Hyman to go back into the shadows and play without such high expectations.
 
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Rielly4 said:
I wonder how much Marchment would cost, id be very interested in him.
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I'm guessing 4.5M over anywhere from 3-6 years. A lot of people on this board dismiss him as a player but he was an elite all around player. He had the best WAR/60 in the league. This was heavily weighted by having the 3rd highest defensive WAR/60. He does a lot more than put up points. He also put up nearly 10 hits/60 at 5v5 which would be the highest among Leaf returnees next season (Simmonds/Clifford/Ritchie/Blackwell had more).

I would take the gamble on him at 4.5M. There's enough under the hood here to warranty 4.5M even if his production sags.
 
Morning Mashup.

NJ - Nylander + 2nd(wsh)
DET - 2nd overall + Holl
TOR - Bertuzzi + Wood
*Extensions in place
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TOR - Chychrun
ARI - Sandin + Knies + 1st + Mrazek
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TOR - Entwistle + Connolly(buried)
CHI - Kerfoot + Muzzin

*cap space to explore goalie options

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Robertson(if ready)
Wood - Kampf - Engvall
(Internal)- Gagner - Entwistle

Chychrun - Brodie
Rielly - Lybushkin
Giordano - Liljgren

Goalies: I'm not sure what I wanna do here
 
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