Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

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That's a two-way street though. The team needs to show management that they can win too.
For sure. I am thinking in particular about Matthews, who is into the third year of his current contract. You just know these guys track the trade deadline like we do, hoping the team does something to improve their odds.

If we have players who are underperforming, maybe it is time we look at a hockey trade of some kind (in terms of roster players).
 
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Remember we were going to get bigger/ tougher? We resigned Simmonds who is a year older, reaquired Clifford who is a year older, replaced Bogosian with Lyabushkin, replaced Hyman's forecheck with Bunting.

We only really added Kampf, who is tough to play against, but its the same old support group. Really need another big shutdown D and a wrecking ball or 2 on the 4th line. We need to replace Kase now, so a big power forward would be good for that second line. That's 3 additions that would make this team ready for the playoffs (not even discussing the goalie) Also is Spezza ready for a deep playoff run?

Sure try Knives when he is able, but he's just a kid.

Kerfoot, Holl, Dermott, Mrazek, should all be trade fodder in order to get those pieces.

I am expecting too much though. We might add Schenn and a Motte at best.
 
For sure. I am thinking in particular about Matthews, who is into the third year of his current contract. You just know these guys track the trade deadline like we do, hoping the team does something to improve their odds.

If we have players who are underperforming, maybe it is time we look at a hockey trade of some kind (in terms of roster players).

Yeah, it's a tough spot to be in. I'd argue that not breaking up the core has been a greater indication of faith in the core, than a few deadline additions would be.
 
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Yeah, it's a tough spot to be in. I'd argue that not breaking up the core has been a greater indication of faith in the core, than a few deadline additions would be.
Yeah, that's fair.

I don't have the answers, lol. This is when we'd like to see our GM dig deep and perhaps unearth a gem that isn't being as openly talked about on the trade market.
 
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I do think we need to be cautious in terms of the message we are sending to our core group of players. If we do nothing under the assumption of an early playoff exit, I can see how that would be demoralizing. We want to show Matthews et. al. that we're going for it every year and aren't going to be intimidated by the acquisitions of conference rivals.

With that said, I'd stay away from rentals unless they come cheap or improve a major area of weakness. I'd prefer trying to acquire a player with some term, or, as Boston did, a player who is ready to sign instead of testing free agency. The difficulty though is just as you say, finding cap space.
We agree entirely on the rental point, which is an argument that I also made, earlier in this thread. I'm tired of watching us "nickel and dime" away assets for non-needle movers who are out of their primes and on expiring deals. I'd rather see the team move signifcant assets when need be, to add legitimate, needle moving players that improve the roster for term.

Where I disagree with you is your point about impressing the likes of Matthews and here is why. The only reason that this team isn't better than it is right now, is because it's cash strapped because Matthews, Marner and Tavares took top dollar, where as some of their peers on contenders took small discounts, leaving more cap space available to bolster the team around them. If I'm Leafs management I tell those guys the following: "You guys wanted top dollar, at the expense of the team, you guys show up and drag this team, kicking and screaming, to a Cup." See Pittsburgh and Chicago as recent examples of teams that did that with Toews / Kane and Crosby / Gino.

Dubas can't upgrade the defense core much, because he has three, 11 million dollar forwards. He can't upgrade the goaltending much, because he paid a heavy price for those three forwards. Well, it's time for those three forwards (Willy too, if we're being honest) to drag this team through a playoff round, or two, and show that they have the "right stuff" to even be Cup contenders. Only at that point would I start breaking the bank in terms of assets, to try to put them over the top.

The reality is that even after we dump Mrazek in the off season, trade Kerfoot to free up money, move Dermott's contract at the deadline and Kessel's money comes off the cap (finally), we're still only going to have limited money (with Reilly's contract extension kicking in) to try to fix our goaltending situation (again), add an impact top 6 forward and an impact top 4 defenseman.

Dubas, clearly, paid these guys with the projection (hard to fault him) that the cap would be upwards of $90 million next year, and that he'd have the adequate cap space to fill out the roster as our guys came into their prime. Instead, the pandemic happened, escrow got maxed out, and the league has committed to multiple years of $1 million dollar cap raises for the foreseeable future, rather than the multi-million dollar raises that Dubas expected.
 
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I will assume Dermott will be traded today, don't think they'll have him around for practice tomorrow, what we thinking the return will be? 3rd round pick and a 3rd/4th line pending UFA?
 
I will assume Dermott will be traded today, don't think they'll have him around for practice tomorrow, what we thinking the return will be? 3rd round pick and a 3rd/4th line pending UFA?

Maybe another contract for marlies
 
I will assume Dermott will be traded today, don't think they'll have him around for practice tomorrow, what we thinking the return will be? 3rd round pick and a 3rd/4th line pending UFA?

I’m still guessing Dermott plus a pick for Giordano is likely to happen. Either that or a 4th line upgrade straight up
 
This will be his 6th concussion

Theres more to life than hockey. Good kid. Good player but its time
I rarely agree with your takes, but this is spot on.
My hockey career was ended by concussions and it was 3 years before I put skates back on. He gets them far to easily now and that's a sign it's time to pack it in.

Health before sports...always.
 
I have a feeling we aren't going to make a big move. After seeing what's happened they are very few moves I see that will help. This is the first time since he came in I don't feel full confidence in Dubas...I hope I'm wrong.
 


Ive fully been expected a 2nd for Gio.

Another team (St Louis, Rangers) May offer a 2nd a prospect, or a 2nd and a 4th, but it’s been reported Gio wants to come here, and that Seattle wants to accommodate Gio more than anything.

so yeah. I fully expect Gio for a 2nd.
Dermott for a forward.
Duszak and/or Menell traded for other AHLers
 
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I will assume Dermott will be traded today, don't think they'll have him around for practice tomorrow, what we thinking the return will be? 3rd round pick and a 3rd/4th line pending UFA?

I'm going to guess they'll take whatever is best. I think the hope will be a similarly aged player making similar money that also needs a fresh start and the Leafs like. I mentioned Comtois, but there's a few other players that fit the bill.

My best guess he'll be traded for the rumored and coveted forward to upgrade the 4th line.
 
I rarely agree with your takes, but this is spot on.
My hockey career was ended by concussions and it was 3 years before I put skates back on. He gets them far to easily now and that's a sign it's time to pack it in.

Health before sports...always.

Sorry to hear that bud. Concussions are no joke. Never easy to walk away from what you love
 
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I'm going to guess they'll take whatever is best. I think the hope will be a similarly aged player making similar money that also needs a fresh start and the Leafs like.

My best guess he'll be traded for the rumored and coveted forward to upgrade the 4th line.
Really likeable kid. I must say i had high hopes for him

He can still be a very valuable player in a lot of teams. But i could never figure out what type of player he was
 
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