Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[Puckstuff]

I'm so jealous of Boston and Lindholm. That team is built the proper way with good two-way players.

The leafs have Matthews and Marner. Boston has an actual TEAM of two-way forwards and they are built properly. The truth has come out and Dubas' philosophy has failed miserably.

 

[Mickey Marner]

With these ridiculous deadline prices I'd almost rather be a seller.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

The leafs could have and should have beat that Lindholm trade and signed him for 8 years. 6.5 mill for a player of his calibre is a great deal. We could have made the money work in the offseason.

 

[The Masters]

We have so many holes I prefer simply not to do anything.

Top 6 LW which makes the 2nd line functional
Basically an entire phsysical 4th line
A top 2 RHD
A top 4 D

A starter goalie

Lol this is so sad when you look at it. For me they gotta get better defensively at deadline. And if u can make a play for fleury, u do it

 

[MarMarSab3]

Nylander, Holl, Kerfoot, Niemala, Hirvonen, 1st
For
Keller, Chychrun

 

[LeafsFan89]

Trade JT. Look, I love JT. But signing him has caused our cap issues, with the inflation of the trio's salaries, as well as his huge 11M contract that he is questionably living up to. Would love a Lindholm + a 4.5M centre for one JT.

Like many comments here, I feel we have too many holes to fill in one deadline. The Atlantic is ridiculously competitive and I don't have much faith in the team getting past any of these teams in a playoff setting.

Hope for the best though.

 

[ToneDog]

Oh yeah. I mean I can stomach the potential Mathews contract if he’s still a top scorer but I think Willy will be gone before for assets. That’s why I figured if the return works for a Willy trade now it may be worth it if it will help us compete for the next two years.

You can afford 1 or 2 Matthews' salaries. You are pushing it with 3 where you get to a point where you have the haves and the have nots. A injury in the playoffs to one leafs a huge hole to fill. Add years of a flat cap and you are doomed.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander, Holl, Kerfoot, Niemala, Hirvonen, 1st
For
Keller, Chychrun

Huge overpay but if you add Mrazek and Crouse, you might have something.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Fully on board with doing nothing at the deadline, unless it involves landing player(s).that you expect to remain part of the core moving into next year. Why pay for the likes of 38 year old Mark Giordano, when you can probably sign him as an F/A, 6 months from now and get the same player for 2 years, at / newr league minimum?

Unless you're adding, with the idea of keeping, guys like JT Miller, Tyler Bertuzzi, Jacob Chychrun, Lawson Crouse, Andrew Copp, Thomas Hertl, John Klingberg, Filip Forsberg etc... Just don't bother, because the Atlantic is a beast around you and the East, in general, is ridiculous this year. Toronto has too many holes, therefore, unless you fix one of them longer term, keep your assets and re-assess in the summer.

Top priorities should be...

1. Finding some way to get out from the Petr Mrazek deal, without costing yourself a pile of assets.

2. Finding a home for Travis Dermott, while returning a bottom 6 roster player, in a hockey trade. If you need to use a reasonable add to get that done, so be it.

3. Finding an upgrade for Justin Holl and moving Holl's contract out of Toronto. Similar to Dermott, the ideal situation would be one in which you send Holl + an asset one way, for a direct upgrade coming back.

4. Upgrading Alex Kerfoot on the 2nd line, which likely means moving Kerfoot's contract out of town in the process.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Huge overpay but if you add Mrazek and Crouse, you might have something.

Not a chance in hell they give up Chychrun, Keller and Crouse for that package. They'd be giving up 3 of the 4 best players in the deal, for Nylander (who is not better than Keller), Holl, who is infinitely inferior to Chychrun, Kerfoot, a downgrade from Crouse, their team Captain, and a couple assets that are multiple years away from MAYBE playing NHL games. Hell, they'd even be taking on Mrazek, with term, a guys who would literally have negative value in the trade.

If Arizona ever did that deal, they should be banned from the league.

More realistically, it would probably look like this, at a minimum...

Keller = Nylander + Hirvonen
Chychrun = Sandin + Niemela + 1st
Crouse = Kerfoot + 2nd + 3rd

 

[123offtheglass]

Fully on board with doing nothing at the deadline, unless it involves landing player(s).that you expect to remain part of the core moving into next year. Why pay for the likes of 38 year old Mark Giordano, when you can probably sign him as an F/A, 6 months from now and get the same player for 2 years, at / newr league minimum?

History suggests that getting him now betters their chances to resign him & resign him cheap. + you have him for this playoff run.

 

[IrishInOntario]

History suggests that getting him now betters their chances to resign him & resign him cheap. + you have him for this playoff run.

1. "Playoff run" is optimistic of you. Given who we'll face in the first round this year, and our current goaltending / defensive situation, we're likely not making it through, Giordano added, or not.

2. If the deal is something like Travis Dermott and a 2nd round pick, or a Ronnie Hirvonen type prospect, I can stomach it, otherwise we're simply bleeding assets for a non needle mover, which is exactly what I bitched tirelessly about last year when they made the DREADFUL trade for a washed up, injured, Nick Foligno.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Atlantic adding major pieces while the Leafs are standing pat and falling apart. Gotta love it.

Dubas needs to find a way to get Bertuzzi, Giordano, and MAF

 

[123offtheglass]

1. "Playoff run" is optimistic of you. Given who we'll face in the first round this year, and our current goaltending / defensive situation, we're likely not making it through, Giordano added, or not.

2. If the deal is something like Travis Dermott and a 2nd round pick, or a Ronnie Hirvonen type prospect, I can stomach it, otherwise we're simply bleeding assets for a non needle mover, which is exactly what I bitched tirelessly about last year when they made the DREADFUL trade for a washed up, injured, Nick Foligno.

1. Playoff run is optimistic haha, with Gio I'd say they're still the underdog 1st & 2nd round but despite previous failures they are right there in my mind. They make it through that they legitimately have a great chance to win, & I'd think they'd be feeling pretty good about themselves on a high finally putting aside those demons.

2. Yea you right. ONLY if the price is right, I'm fine with them standing pat or close to it alternatively.

 

[2 Slick]

I honestly hope Dubas stands pat. This team isn't good enough to get past Tampa, Florida, Boston, Carolina in a seven game series. Not with their horrendous bottom of the league trash goaltending, laughably awful defensive group and a second line that does nothing but take up roster space on most nights.

Trade Dermott, Holl, Mrazek, Clifford, players no one cares about, but don't move assets, picks, prospects for a washed up player that won't have any impact in the playoffs.

STAND pat unless it's to offload trash.

 

[The Management]

1. "Playoff run" is optimistic of you. Given who we'll face in the first round this year, and our current goaltending / defensive situation, we're likely not making it through, Giordano added, or not.

2. If the deal is something like Travis Dermott and a 2nd round pick, or a Ronnie Hirvonen type prospect, I can stomach it, otherwise we're simply bleeding assets for a non needle mover, which is exactly what I bitched tirelessly about last year when they made the DREADFUL trade for a washed up, injured, Nick Foligno.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I do think we need to be cautious in terms of the message we are sending to our core group of players. If we do nothing under the assumption of an early playoff exit, I can see how that would be demoralizing. We want to show Matthews et. al. that we're going for it every year and aren't going to be intimidated by the acquisitions of conference rivals.

With that said, I'd stay away from rentals unless they come cheap or improve a major area of weakness. I'd prefer trying to acquire a player with some term, or, as Boston did, a player who is ready to sign instead of testing free agency. The difficulty though is just as you say, finding cap space.

 

[123offtheglass]

I honestly hope Dubas stands pat. This team isn't good enough to get past Tampa, Florida, Boston, Carolina in a seven game series. Not with their horrendous bottom of the league trash goaltending, laughably awful defensive group and a second line that does nothing but take up roster space on most nights.

Trade Dermott, Holl, Mrazek, Clifford, players no one cares about, but don't move assets, picks, prospects for a washed up player that won't have any impact in the playoffs.

STAND pat unless it's to offload trash.

& despite all that they're still right there, if the 2nd line & co. wakes up all of a sudden they look pretty dangerous don't they? Only trash I see there is Mrazek & his contract.

 

[SprDaVE]

Atlantic adding major pieces while the Leafs are standing pat and falling apart. Gotta love it.

Dubas needs to find a way to get Bertuzzi, Giordano, and MAF

How are they standing pat? The deadline hasn't passed yet. We don't have a game until next Wednesday, so the next 24hours will probably be where Dubas strikes.

I think the goal is to get Seattle to lower their price on Giordano to a 2nd.

 

[The Blueprint]

I'm so jealous of Boston and Lindholm. That team is built the proper way with good two-way players.

The leafs have Matthews and Marner. Boston has an actual TEAM of two-way forwards and they are built properly. The truth has come out and Dubas' philosophy has failed miserably.

Then go be a Boston fan man. No one's forcing you to be here lol

 

[BallardEra]

How are they standing pat? The deadline hasn't passed yet. We don't have game until next Wednesday, so the next 24hours will probably be where Dubas strikes.

I think the goal is to get Seattle to lower their price on Giordano to a 2nd.

Maybe but with teams getting desperate and what we've already seen so far, that price keeps going up.

 

[ToneDog]

Not a chance in hell they give up Chychrun, Keller and Crouse for that package. They'd be giving up 3 of the 4 best players in the deal, for Nylander (who is not better than Keller), Holl, who is infinitely inferior to Chychrun, Kerfoot, a downgrade from Crouse, their team Captain, and a couple assets that are multiple years away from MAYBE playing NHL games. Hell, they'd even be taking on Mrazek, with term, a guys who would literally have negative value in the trade.

If Arizona ever did that deal, they should be banned from the league.

More realistically, it would probably look like this, at a minimum...

Keller = Nylander + Hirvonen
Chychrun = Sandin + Niemela + 1st
Crouse = Kerfoot + 2nd + 3rd

You are probably right. IMO Nylander >= Keller but even so, still an overpay.

 

[SprDaVE]

Maybe but with teams getting desperate and what we've already seen so far, that price keeps going up.

Giordano has a NTC and will decide where he wants to go. A few reports have already suggested he wants to play for Toronto first and foremost. Maybe Francis doesn't care what Giordano wants but I would think he does considering he's their first captain and probably wants to do right by him.

So the price there probably won't get high, just like how Boston was able to get Hall for dirt cheap compared to what we had to pay to get Foligno.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I do think we need to be cautious in terms of the message we are sending to our core group of players. If we do nothing under the assumption of an early playoff exit, I can see how that would be demoralizing. We want to show Matthews et. al. that we're going for it every year and aren't going to be intimidated by the acquisitions of conference rivals.

With that said, I'd stay away from rentals unless they come cheap or improve a major area of weakness. I'd prefer trying to acquire a player with some term, or, as Boston did, a player who is ready to sign instead of testing free agency. The difficulty though is just as you say, finding cap space.

That's a two-way street though. The team needs to show management that they can win too.

 

[123offtheglass]

Maybe but with teams getting desperate and what we've already seen so far, that price keeps going up.

Sellers definitely playing hardball & it's working out for some (most so far), but there's a lot of rentals to be sold & the clock is ticking. I'm thinking some hit the panic button last minute because they at least want something for the rental(s) they held onto too long.

Leafs don't absolutely need anyone, they should play hardball too & look to swoop in for bargains or fair deals if there are any that make sense for them.

 

[ToneDog]

How long do you keep JT and Willie together producing virtually nothing against teams' 2nd lines ?? Either flip Mitch and Willie or look to move Nylander. I would try Bunting and if that fails, I'd try to move Nylander. Maybe you can get Rutherford to overpay starting with a package of Boeser ??