Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[96]

100%. He's worth a reclamation attempt.

wow nvm

 

[BrannigansLaw]

That's the sad part. 2 seasons after this season, both Matthews and Nylander are UFAs. If you thought their cap hit was high when they were RFAs.......lolllll

I’m starting to get to the point where I would trade Nylander. He takes way too shifts off or does things half assed. I would try to trade Tavares before him but no one would want him.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

Well of course it’s easy to say trading the picks didn’t work out when you have hindsight. But if he hadn’t of traded them to bring pieces in the narrative would be “of course we lost Dubas didn’t use his assets to make the team better”.

He HAS to try. His job is on the line he has no choice.

 

[HolyCrap]

That's the sad part. 2 seasons after this season, both Matthews and Nylander are UFAs. If you thought their cap hit was high when they were RFAs.......lolllll

Oh yeah. I mean I can stomach the potential Mathews contract if he’s still a top scorer but I think Willy will be gone before for assets. That’s why I figured if the return works for a Willy trade now it may be worth it if it will help us compete for the next two years.

 

[Bloomberg]

I'd like to see:

1. 2021 2nd + B level prospect for Middleton (3LHD) + Gadjovich (replacement for Simmonds)
2. Robertson + Holl for Zacha (2LW) + McLeod (4C)
3. Sandin + Kerfoot + Engvall for Eriksson Ek (3C) + McBain

We'd have

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Zacha - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Eriksson Ek - Kampf
Gadjovick - McLeod - McBain

Rielly - Lyub
Muzz - Brodie
Middleton - Liljegren

 

[jaric1862]

If it's not Giordano it should be Middleton not Braun

 

[Dragao6]

Who would you like to see us sell? We have virtually no pending UFA’s.

Only ufa’s are traded at deadline?
Is mrazek sticking around?
Is mikhaev extending?
Is holl staying?
Dermot?
Get assets for these non major players
We can still pretend to compete in playoffs just the same without them and make moves that are long term only

Stop with these cheap old players for our bottom 6
At least get guys that can skate and are physical
Stuff like that

 

[Duffman955]

Middleton + Gadjovic would be a good option

 

[Ashdown2]

I'd like to see:

1. 2021 2nd + B level prospect for Middleton (3LHD) + Gadjovich (replacement for Simmonds)
2. Robertson + Holl for Zacha (2LW) + McLeod (4C)
3. Sandin + Kerfoot + Engvall for Eriksson Ek (3C) + McBain

We'd have

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Zacha - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Eriksson Ek - Kampf
Gadjovick - McLeod - McBain

Rielly - Lyub
Muzz - Brodie
Middleton - Liljegren

here we f***en ago again ...... after every loss ...
now its trading sandin for a middle 6 player

 

[phillipmike]

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

That and the other huge problem is the Leafs have too many holes to fill in little to no time.

Boston had one hole on D, they addressed it. They are still looking to add a forward too and Elliotte eluded that it might Krejci, who they could get for free.

Florida had a hole on D, they addressed it. They didn’t need a forward but they added the best one available on the market.

Tampa had no real holes but if they could add a forward they would benefit, and they did. Which happened to be the guy the leafs were after too.

Boston is getting great goaltending from Swayman. Vas is Vas. Florida is getting good goaltending too. Our starting goalie is hurt and we can’t rely on him when he is healthy. He also has the 8th ranked s% of the 8 teams currently in the playoffs in the east. Our backup goalie has the 89th ranked s%. Our 3rd string goalie got hurt yesterday. And our 4th string goalie is now our starter.

Toronto needs what? At least 2-3 forwards (2 in the top 9), at least 1 top 4 defensemen, maybe 2, and a starting goalie, maybe a backup too. We don’t have enough assets or time (48 hours) to address all these holes. So even if Dubas tried, he couldn’t, and based on his track record, I don’t want him trying.

He bet his season/career on Mrazek, Ritchie, Kase, Kampf and Bunting. You reap what you sow.

 

[Magic Man]

If it's not Giordano it should be Middleton not Braun

Giordano represents an upgrade on Holl. He is a player that can eat top-4 minutes in the playoffs.

Middleton is a shutdown defender that excels physically. He's similar to the Lyubushkin tier for me. He is a bit of question mark. But, he would make the Leafs a nightmare to play against in their own end.

They are both defenseman worth blowing some assets for. Braun doesn't excite me.

 

[Scion]

here we f***en ago again ...... after every loss ...
now its trading sandin for a middle 6 player

Eriksson Ek is a stud to be fair.

 

[Scion]

He bet his season/career on Mrazek, Ritchie, Kase, Kampf and Bunting. You reap what you sow.

Preach

 

[Scion]

Bring in big Z Zdeno Chara and Mark Gio... We can ride with our current goalies unless someone is avail for cheap (Mrazek+)

I don't think Chara is good anymore, but at least he would push back physically and for that reason alone I'd be interested. It's hard watching a team whose toughest competitor is Michael Bunting.

 

[Torontonian]

Toronto needs what? At least 2-3 forwards (2 in the top 9), at least 1 top 4 defensemen, maybe 2, and a starting goalie, maybe a backup too. We don’t have enough assets or time (48 hours) to address all these holes. So even if Dubas tried, he couldn’t, and based on his track record, I don’t want him trying.

He bet his season/career on Mrazek, Ritchie, Kase, Kampf and Bunting. You reap what you sow.

The forwards they need are a 4th line forward that's better then Simmonds/Clifford, seems easy to get, and the team would probably would like a forward to play in the top 6 on that second line, but that's more of a want then a necessity. I do believe they should put Marner with JT and Nylander with Matthews, the second line looks like they have lost their mojo. The 1st and 3rd line have been more then fine.

I will agree that they need to add a top 4 d-man, seems doable with Giordano still out there, bigger upgrade on Holl, I don't think they touch a goaltender and just run Campbell, they need to stop splitting games with Mrazek and let Campbell try to get into a groove, not swapping him every 2 or 3 games.

Toronto has the assets to get everything they need, they just aren't willing to blow everything on pending UFAS that are going to command a lot of money. They need to be trading for Miller and Chychrun, or players that have some term left on them.

 

[96]

I don't think Chara is good anymore, but at least he would push back physically and for that reason alone I'd be interested. It's hard watching a team whose toughest competitor is Michael Bunting.

I'd play Z in a 6/7 role, and Gio in a 4/5 spot. I'm down for either Chara or Schenn on the bottom pair with Sandin/Liljegren. Agree with you about the compete level, Bogo was really solid for us.

Rielly - Muzzin
Gio - Brodie
Sandin - Schenn / Chara - Liljegren

 

[Cotton]

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

I mean, we do have those assets without touching Knies. Lindholm cost only picks and a couple of meh young players, no top prospects. Same with Hagel.

Dubas is right to trade picks to add at the deadline if we are going on a run, the problem is he’s not very good at making trades and has handcuffed himself by publicly proclaiming his loyalty to this core.

If he’s going to trade picks then rolls those dice and actually trade for a significant improvement (like Chychrun), not on gassed vets like Foligno and Plekanec (or Giordano).

 

[Knies iT]

Myers will not make it to the Leafs, but if he does it should be a no-hesitation claim. Way more appealing than less mobile options like Schenn who will only block a better player in Liljegren while also costing assets.

Unless there's something going on behind the scenes, he's one of the best D to hit the wire since Kylington IMO. Definitely better than Fleury/Juulsen/etc.

Nashville apparently invested a lot in rebuilding his defensive game, and they're an excellent D factory, so it is suspicious that they're just quitting on him as a project. I still think he'd flourish on the bottom pair here.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Justin is not very good, but he has a man's body. Lilly still has a teenage body.
Today's game Sandin was pushed out for the 2nd goal. This is happening to these two very often

Liljegren definitely does not have a teenage body. He’s thick and has a great hockey frame.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I'd like to see:

1. 2021 2nd + B level prospect for Middleton (3LHD) + Gadjovich (replacement for Simmonds)
2. Robertson + Holl for Zacha (2LW) + McLeod (4C)
3. Sandin + Kerfoot + Engvall for Eriksson Ek (3C) + McBain

We'd have

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Zacha - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Eriksson Ek - Kampf
Gadjovick - McLeod - McBain

Rielly - Lyub
Muzz - Brodie
Middleton - Liljegren

I'd like to see:

1. 2021 2nd + B level prospect for Middleton (3LHD) + Gadjovich (replacement for Simmonds)
2. Robertson + Holl for Zacha (2LW) + McLeod (4C)
3. Sandin + Kerfoot + Engvall for Eriksson Ek (3C) + McBain

We'd have

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Zacha - Tavares - Nylander
Mikheyev - Eriksson Ek - Kampf
Gadjovick - McLeod - McBain

Rielly - Lyub
Muzz - Brodie
Middleton - Liljegren

Eriksson Ek has full no trade clause. Their gm isn't trading him

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Team has to many holes to realistically compete. I'm sick and tired of dubas spending a 1st or prospects on bandaids. Either get an impact goalie and 1 of an impact top d or forward or stand pat. At this point he needs to lose his job because he has done more bad then good with this team.

 

[Puckstuff]

This team should not be talking about any rentals until they find a goalie. We don't even have a capable back up let alone an elite starting #1 option. There's like 15 of those at max (goalies capable of taking a team all the way in the post-season) and we don't have one. It's equally as important as a #1 C and Dubas gambled on Mrazek.

 

[Kurtz]

If Chicago was asking for Knies and a 1st plus Mrazek for Fleury and Hagel...and they got a similar return for Hagel alone, that tells me Fleury is available, Leafs are interested, and he may cost less than a 1st.

 

[All Mod Cons]

My God, I remember when people loved the Mennell move. Had expected zone exits on a Thursday through the roof.

 

[Nooodles]

We have so many holes I prefer simply not to do anything.

Top 6 LW which makes the 2nd line functional
Basically an entire phsysical 4th line
A top 2 RHD
A top 4 D

A starter goalie