Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[TheDoldrums]

We signed an older and worse player muzzin to a 4 year deal and it's looking like he's done at 32 or so. Lindholm at 28 will be a quality top 4D for half his contract. The back half will stink as most UFA signings do

We are experiencing the same with JT who continues to grow overpaid by the year as his play declines

Boston wants another cup in the very near future. They gave up next to nothing of value at the NHL level for the next 3-5 years

Those 1st and 2 2nds won't be NHL players for the Bruins contention period and the picks won't be high enough to be able to become NHL players at a faster than expected time period

The Bruins made a very good move for the next 3-4 years.

The Muzzin we signed was a lot better than the Lindholm of today. Muzzin was actually a 2-way player that brought offense as well as strong defending. But yes he is a cautionary tale about how quickly things can fall apart and why 8 year deals into the 30's for anything but superstars are really scary.

Boston gave up Vaakanainen who is NHL ready right now so no, they didn't just give up things for 3-5 years from now. So they gave him up, a 1st and two 2nds for the privilege of giving Lindholm that contract. Even if you think it's "fair" (it's not) it would have to be an absolute steal to justify the extra assets used to acquire Lindholm until he's 36.

 

[Lightsol]

Boston wants another cup in the very near future.

Which is kind of hilarious, as Boston moves away from a potential Cup every year. Other than Pastrnak, their main pieces are older than Tavares...

 

[tony135420]

errr....knowing the extension @ 6.5 for Lindholm. I would've done that deal and traded Nylander for prospects/low cap hit players to create cap space. I mean Dubas should have known the ask from Lindholm, right?? Was 6.5 too high for him because he refuses to trade anyone from the top 4?

What if they insisted on Knies in the deal? Would it still be worth it? I don't know it's fair to assume the value from both teams to ANA transfers.

 

[Stephen]

Silly season in the NHL. I kind of laugh at the idea that we could acquire multiple firsts and rebuild the farm by trading a guy like Michael Bunting.

 

[Bloomberg]

What if they insisted on Knies in the deal? Would it still be worth it? I don't know it's fair to assume the value from both teams to ANA transfers.

Yes, I would do it. If it were 1st + Knies for Lindholm @ 6.5 x 8. Then I'd flip Nylander to Colorado for what every package they were going to give up for Giroux and ask them to add Byram. Muzzin becomes expandable too, and we have potentially flip him too.

 

[hamzarocks]

The Muzzin we signed was a lot better than the Lindholm of today. Muzzin was actually a 2-way player that brought offense as well as strong defending. But yes he is a cautionary tale about how quickly things can fall apart and why 8 year deals into the 30's for anything but superstars are really scary.

Boston gave up Vaakanainen who is NHL ready right now so no, they didn't just give up things for 3-5 years from now. So they gave him up, a 1st and two 2nds for the privilege of giving Lindholm that contract. Even if you think it's "fair" (it's not) it would have to be an absolute steal to justify the extra assets used to acquire Lindholm until he's 36.

Vaakanainen is a Travis dermott level player with not much offensive ceiling and looks like a disappointing pick

Lindholm has been been elite defensively when playing on a good team. He's about to enter a top defensive system and have some elite players to play with

Bruins almost always win/breakeven on there major moves

Hall they trade for, extend at a fair rate and get 55-60 point 2nd line production

Ulmark they give 5M and he provided quality tandem goaltending with him being capable of being moved to recoup a couple of 2nd rounders if they move forward with Swayman who looks very good

Lindholm will fit well on the Bruins and be a quality #2D. He would have been an excellent piece to add and play with lilijgren on our 2nd pairing.

The cost is not high at all. Boston picks won't be NHL players for years they don't matter to a team looking for a cup with this core (they have one but only Marchand and Bergeron left from there)

Lindholm will be a better player than brodie for the next 4 years for them. We pay brodie 5M and if they get Lindholm at 6.5M it will be a pretty fair deal.

 

[hamzarocks]

Which is kind of hilarious, as Boston moves away from a potential Cup every year. Other than Pastrnak, their main pieces are older than Tavares...

There main piece would be the leafs 2nd best player right now

Marchand since 2017 has been a top 7 NHL player and isn't really slowing down. Hate that piece of crap but his prime would be the best amongst any leaf players since the 60s outside of matthews

Bergeron also while older than JT still is a quality 1C for this and probably next year.

Marchand doesn't look like he'll suddenly stop being elite. He's going to be ppg+ for another 2 or 3 years.

As long as these two guys continue to prove there amongst the best in the NHL the Bruins will continue to succeed we have been waiting/praying on their downfall since 2018 and they are still as good a team as the leafs in 2022

 

[Bloomberg]

The Muzzin we signed was a lot better than the Lindholm of today. Muzzin was actually a 2-way player that brought offense as well as strong defending. But yes he is a cautionary tale about how quickly things can fall apart and why 8 year deals into the 30's for anything but superstars are really scary.

Boston gave up Vaakanainen who is NHL ready right now so no, they didn't just give up things for 3-5 years from now. So they gave him up, a 1st and two 2nds for the privilege of giving Lindholm that contract. Even if you think it's "fair" (it's not) it would have to be an absolute steal to justify the extra assets used to acquire Lindholm until he's 36.

The core for Boston is really old. They're window is closing fast and their management did a great job getting the best dmen available to help the team. I think for the 8 year deal, Boston only need Lindholm to be good in the first 3 years of the deal. For the rest of the 5 years, Lindholm could play on the third pair and no one would care because Boston would be tanking or have enough cap space to not worry about it.

 

[Legion34]

Vaakanainen is a Travis dermott level player with not much offensive ceiling and looks like a disappointing pick

Lindholm has been been elite defensively when playing on a good team. He's about to enter a top defensive system and have some elite players to play with

Bruins almost always win/breakeven on there major moves

Hall they trade for, extend at a fair rate and get 55-60 point 2nd line production

Ulmark they give 5M and he provided quality tandem goaltending with him being capable of being moved to recoup a couple of 2nd rounders if they move forward with Swayman who looks very good

Lindholm will fit well on the Bruins and be a quality #2D. He would have been an excellent piece to add and play with lilijgren on our 2nd pairing.

The cost is not high at all. Boston picks won't be NHL players for years they don't matter to a team looking for a cup with this core (they have one but only Marchand and Bergeron left from there)

Lindholm will be a better player than brodie for the next 4 years for them. We pay brodie 5M and if they get Lindholm at 6.5M it will be a pretty fair deal.

I personally wanted him. But they refused to go above 4 years. He wanted to stay. That is kind of concerning when your own team who knows you the best doesn’t want to keep you for 5 and you sign for 8

 

[IPS]

There main piece would be the leafs 2nd best player right now

Marchand since 2017 has been a top 7 NHL player and isn't really slowing down. Hate that piece of crap but his prime would be the best amongst any leaf players since the 60s outside of matthews

Bergeron also while older than JT still is a quality 1C for this and probably next year.

Marchand doesn't look like he'll suddenly stop being elite. He's going to be ppg+ for another 2 or 3 years.

As long as these two guys continue to prove there amongst the best in the NHL the Bruins will continue to succeed we have been waiting/praying on their downfall since 2018 and they are still as good a team as the leafs in 2022

Funny because they lost Rask and Krejci and despite that they're still probably going to pass the Leafs in the standings.

 

[hamzarocks]

I personally wanted him. But they refused to go above 4 years. He wanted to stay. That is kind of concerning when your own team who knows you the best doesn’t want to keep you for 5 and you sign for 8

Boston/Tampa will be in year 1 multi-year rebuilds 5 years from now. Both teams will be cooked

They are doing everything they can to win in the next 3-4 years. Tampa obviously is 2/2.

Boston got a quality #2D for not a whole lot. Your right that years 5-8 will suck on this deal however by then Marchand/Bergeron won't be on the Bruins and they will have moved onto a rebuild where they can eat his deal while they accumulate picks for a few years.

He'll be then a vet to serve as a leader while they stink and tank.

Anaheim's window for peak content tonight does not open for another 3-4 years. They would try and avoid the 8 years as they get him during their contention while he is on a sharp decline vs the Bruins who get him while he is in his prime and it aligns with their contention window.

 

[Legion34]

Funny because they lost Rask and Krejci and despite that they're still probably going to pass the Leafs in the standings.

To get beat by Tampa for what the 4th time in 5 years.


Good for them

 

[TheDoldrums]

I feel like theres so much focus on defensemen because we give up too many goals but like, it's goaltending. Its just that it seems impossible to acquire a goalie we can be confident in being great, because there's only a handful and it's constantly changing

 

[IPS]

To get beat by Tampa for what the 4th time in 5 years.


Good for them

Is us losing in the 1st round every year supposed to be the superior alternative or something?

 

[hamzarocks]

Funny because they lost Rask and Krejci and despite that they're still probably going to pass the Leafs in the standings.

The Bruins will never suck while the leafs are good

In 5 years when they are in a rebuild, the leafs will probably be in a similar position.

Bruins are a top 3 managed organization. Elite coaching, elite management and obviously from a leafs fan point of view those bastards seem to have the refs favour them pretty often too.

The Bruins should have been exiting a rebuild right now if things went how we all thought. People said they'd be rebuilding from 2018 onwards but in that time they have been a better team than us every year in the playoffs and mostly in the reg season

 

[hamzarocks]

To get beat by Tampa for what the 4th time in 5 years.


Good for them

Think it's 3 in 5. 2018, 2020 and then 2022

It's simple

Tampa beats Boston
Boston beats Toronto
Toronto beats .... (hopefully flordia if we match them)

Tampa is inside the Bruins players minds just like the Bruins are inside the leaf players

I want to avoid Boston at all costs. Have no confidence we can di anything but lose to them in a game 7

 

[BrannigansLaw]

p***y mentality. You can rebuild for a 100 years, you aint drafting Marner, Matthews again.

Its time to push every year for the next 10+ years.

This our time

Tell that to the players on the ice. They certainly don’t seem to have that sense of urgency.

 

[Dragao6]

p***y mentality. You can rebuild for a 100 years, you aint drafting Marner, Matthews again.

Its time to push every year for the next 10+ years.

This our time

If u think this team is close then I don’t know what to tel you

I guess we’ll see in round 1
Hope your right

 

[Legion34]

Think it's 3 in 5. 2018, 2020 and then 2022

It's simple

Tampa beats Boston
Boston beats Toronto
Toronto beats .... (hopefully flordia if we match them)

Tampa is inside the Bruins players minds just like the Bruins are inside the leaf players

I want to avoid Boston at all costs. Have no confidence we can di anything but lose to them in a game 7

I don’t really see a great option for us?
Boston is the weakest with a rookie goalie. But voodooo
Tampa is the cup champs
Florida went all in and it’s the streak buster
Carolina is Freddie vs mrazek maybe?

I really don’t know. Part of me wants Tampa. They are one vasy injury from disaster

 

[hamzarocks]

I don’t really see a great option for us?
Boston is the weakest with a rookie goalie. But voodooo
Tampa is the cup champs
Florida went all in and it’s the streak buster
Carolina is Freddie vs mrazek maybe?

I really don’t know. Part of me wants Tampa. They are one vasy injury from disaster

1. NYR
2. Capitals
3. Panthers
4. Canes
5. Pens
6. Tampa
7. Boston

That's how I'd rank who I want us to play

Unfortunately we probably won't get 1st in the Atlantic now. Would have been so nice to get a shit defensive Capitals team or possibly NYR if they fall to WC

 

[Dreakmur]

I personally wanted him. But they refused to go above 4 years. He wanted to stay. That is kind of concerning when your own team who knows you the best doesn’t want to keep you for 5 and you sign for 8

6.5 for Lindholm is a pretty good price. Until this year, I’ve liked him more than Rielly.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don’t really see a great option for us?
Boston is the weakest with a rookie goalie. But voodooo
Tampa is the cup champs
Florida went all in and it’s the streak buster
Carolina is Freddie vs mrazek maybe?

I really don’t know. Part of me wants Tampa. They are one vasy injury from disaster

All of them are like that except for maybe Florida.

 

[smitty10]

Vaakanainen is a Travis dermott level player with not much offensive ceiling and looks like a disappointing pick

Lindholm has been been elite defensively when playing on a good team. He's about to enter a top defensive system and have some elite players to play with

Bruins almost always win/breakeven on there major moves

Hall they trade for, extend at a fair rate and get 55-60 point 2nd line production

Ulmark they give 5M and he provided quality tandem goaltending with him being capable of being moved to recoup a couple of 2nd rounders if they move forward with Swayman who looks very good

Lindholm will fit well on the Bruins and be a quality #2D. He would have been an excellent piece to add and play with lilijgren on our 2nd pairing.

The cost is not high at all. Boston picks won't be NHL players for years they don't matter to a team looking for a cup with this core (they have one but only Marchand and Bergeron left from there)

Lindholm will be a better player than brodie for the next 4 years for them. We pay brodie 5M and if they get Lindholm at 6.5M it will be a pretty fair deal.

I wouldn’t agree with that fully. Remember the David Backes contract? How about the Ondrej Kase acquisition? Their 3 consecutive 1st rounders in 2015? the Nick Foligno signing?

Yes, their core are locked up to very team friendly deals, but let’s not forget they miss too.

 

[Legion34]

6.5 for Lindholm is a pretty good price. Until this year, I’ve liked him more than Rielly.

I would have agreed. I made many mocks trying to fit him in. But lots of fans and analytics etc showed he was brutal. I watched a bunch of ducks games and he took Ritchie like penalties and missed a bunch of assignments.

Add that to the “ducks didn’t want him” and I would be wary.

It could turn out great. But I don’t see it. Like why wouldn’t they go for 8 years? They know him.

Why would he immediately sign for 8 x 6.5 when players got 9.5? Why not wait?

Something is weird.

 

[smitty10]

Vaakanainen is a Travis dermott level player with not much offensive ceiling and looks like a disappointing pick

Lindholm has been been elite defensively when playing on a good team. He's about to enter a top defensive system and have some elite players to play with

Bruins almost always win/breakeven on there major moves

Hall they trade for, extend at a fair rate and get 55-60 point 2nd line production

Ulmark they give 5M and he provided quality tandem goaltending with him being capable of being moved to recoup a couple of 2nd rounders if they move forward with Swayman who looks very good

Lindholm will fit well on the Bruins and be a quality #2D. He would have been an excellent piece to add and play with lilijgren on our 2nd pairing.

The cost is not high at all. Boston picks won't be NHL players for years they don't matter to a team looking for a cup with this core (they have one but only Marchand and Bergeron left from there)

Lindholm will be a better player than brodie for the next 4 years for them. We pay brodie 5M and if they get Lindholm at 6.5M it will be a pretty fair deal.

I wouldn’t agree with that fully. Remember the David Backes contract? How about the Ondrej Kase acquisition? Their 3 consecutive 1st rounders in 2015? the Nick Foligno signing?

Yes, their core are locked up to very team friendly deals, but let’s not forget they miss too.