Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[SniperOnTheWing]

Our division is emptying the cupboards to load up (as you should when you’re in your window) and we’re clutching a 1st rounder like it’s our last bottle of water in the desert.

We’ve got real holes to fill Kyle. Who gives a crap about the 1st? Look on the bright side if (when) we are bounced from the first round again someone else will have to worry about the draft from then on anyway.

We can’t even confidently say who our starting goalie will be come game one. That isn’t a good sign.

 

[saffronleaf]

gotta love how evander kane is playing. might have been an ideal low cost solution to 2nd line issues and physicality up front.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

gotta love how evander kane is playing. might have been an ideal low cost solution to 2nd line issues and physicality up front.

That guys worth like 2 1sts now lol

Sucks knowing answer to our top 6 was free. He's been quiet and drama free too.

 

[Bloomberg]

Our division is emptying the cupboards to load up (as you should when you’re in your window) and we’re clutching a 1st rounder like it’s our last bottle of water in the desert.

We’ve got real holes to fill Kyle. Who gives a crap about the 1st? Look on the bright side if (when) we are bounced from the first round again someone else will have to worry about the draft from then on anyway.

We can’t even confidently say who our starting goalie will be come game one. That isn’t a good sign.

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

 

[Leafs1991]

I feel like theres so much focus on defensemen because we give up too many goals but like, it's goaltending. Its just that it seems impossible to acquire a goalie we can be confident in being great, because there's only a handful and it's constantly changing

Todyays loss was a team defense issue, not goaltending.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

.. But they do have those assets. They just choose to keep them.

Odd that your'e criticizing trading a 1st for Foligno, when acquiring Fluery and Lindholm are virtually the same thing. Giving up 1sts for rentals to get them past the first round. Foligno fit a need, just like Fleury would. It's a bizarre twist in logic.

 

[fahad203]

The problem is in the past, Dubas has been giving away 1st rounder left and right. Imagine if we held on to those picks and drafted prospects into our system, then we won't be clutching to Knies like its our last bottle of water and we would actually have to asset this deadline to get Lindholm, Fleury and Hagel. I'm all for hockey trades, but trades like a 1st for Foligno for a couple of month shouldn't happen for a team that hasn't even been able to get out of the first round.

You don't really need those 1st rounders. They are again 3-4 years down the road
We have accumulated enough and most of them are playing. Sandin, Lilly, Auston, Marner, Nylander. They are still young locked in
We also have Robertsson, Holmberg, Abruzzesse, Knies, Niemala coming up the pipeline. Maybe Amirov if he ever recovers

Along with that, we have Anderson and Steeve who can take on the next steps

You don't need gazilion 1st rounders if you can draft well into the mid rounds. Hence why Tampa doesn't care about their first rounders

Also you have free agency to get players, you can always trade for draft picks to recover.

 

[NinjaKick]

give me Chychrun

1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick and Knies




*keep in mind I like drugs (nothing serious)

 

[ULF_55]

Don't throw a 1st. round pick, or 1st. round quality prospect for a rental.

Remember when the Leafs were solidly above .700?
If they were still that team it would be a different story.
Might even be a different story if they had a Conn Smythe winner in net.
You can even coast when you know you have a true champion in net.

To be honest, I think they only have about 3 holes, one in each position.
Forward, defense, goal.
Sure a couple forwards could find work on the Leafs, but even one top 6 could push everything down.
One top 2 defender, who can eat minutes along with defend and move the puck.
One average goaltender.

Currency, for non-rentals, anything and everything depending on the return.

 

[fahad203]

.. But they do have those assets. They just choose to keep them.

Odd that your'e criticizing trading a 1st for Foligno, when acquiring Fluery and Lindholm are virtually the same thing. Giving up 1sts for rentals to get them past the first round. Foligno fit a need, just like Fleury would. It's a bizarre twist in logic.

How are they the same thing. Boston would have spoken to Lindholm party about a deal. Otherwise Boston doesn't do it
They would trade to get the 8 year maximum

Foligno was even in the injured list when he was traded and been injured multiple times that season. Who pays 1st rounder for a player who's already injured?

 

[TMLAM34]

Myers on waivers, I’d put a claim in.

 

[Dragao6]

this the type of p***y shit we need to get off our board. Team is legit a couple points behind the 2 time cup champs, and all i hear is doom and gloom.

Lol

 

[Antropovsky]

That guys worth like 2 1sts now lol

Sucks knowing answer to our top 6 was free. He's been quiet and drama free too.

Yeah, Dubas has no luck. His team was playing great at the time, but right now his team needs a guy like Kane even with drama. This team could use some crazy... and could use some drama on the ice... it has a Muskoka 5 feel to it. Remember Gary Roberts and Corson apparently didn't like each other and nearly got into fists in the dressing room. That was one of our best playoff teams.

 

[Legion34]

You don't really need those 1st rounders. They are again 3-4 years down the road
We have accumulated enough and most of them are playing. Sandin, Lilly, Auston, Marner, Nylander. They are still young locked in
We also have Robertsson, Holmberg, Abruzzesse, Knies, Niemala coming up the pipeline. Maybe Amirov if he ever recovers

Along with that, we have Anderson and Steeve who can take on the next steps

You don't need gazilion 1st rounders if you can draft well into the mid rounds. Hence why Tampa doesn't care about their first rounders

Also you have free agency to get players, you can always trade for draft picks to recover.

What if we need it if we want to trade for a goalie like Gibson?

 

[phillipmike]

this the type of p***y shit we need to get off our board. Team is legit a couple points behind the 2 time cup champs, and all i hear is doom and gloom.

And the Leafs are also a couple points from dropping to the 8th seed, 3 to be exact.

It doom and gloom because the Leafs are a 1 line team with little forward depth and the forward depth they have aren’t producing at level you want them to. Our defence isn’t strong, it isn’t weak but it isn’t strong. And oh our goaltending has been the league’s worst since January 1st.



Not one but both of our goalies are here. No other playoff team has 1 goalie here, let alone 2, outside of Quick with LA and it remains to be seem if they will make the playoffs, let alone be buyers because they can’t trust their goaltending.

This isn’t a recipe for success.

The team has been trending in the wrong direction for months, not days, not weeks - rather 4 months out of 6 which is most of the season. They haven’t addressed any holes other than LW1 from last season. And since then more holes have arisen where the GM has to use assets to get rid of players he signed 7 months ago. His two biggest signings in terms of money were Mrazek and Ritchie. Ritchie needed to be traded with picks and we would give Mrazek for free but no one would take him.

They Leafs need multiple forwards, a top 4 D and possibly 2 goalies in less than 48 hours all at a time when they market is at its highest in recent memory for buyers while you are in the toughest division, possibly in modern NHL history.

This isnt p***** s***, this is reality. Don’t zig when everyone is zigging.

 

[BertCorbeau]

How are they the same thing. Boston would have spoken to Lindholm party about a deal. Otherwise Boston doesn't do it
They would trade to get the 8 year maximum

Foligno was even in the injured list when he was traded and been injured multiple times that season. Who pays 1st rounder for a player who's already injured?

That was the gamble that he would be healthy enough to a playoff run. It's like gambling that Fleury has a strong playoff run.

You might be right about a contract extension and, if so, that makes this deal a lot better. But let's see if they do. Lindholm wanted to test the market IIRC.

Edit - sorry I just saw the extension. Much better deal for the B's. Just catching up on tonight.

 

[Dreakmur]

Myers on waivers, I’d put a claim in.

100%. He's worth a reclamation attempt.

 

[ULF_55]

That was the gamble that he would be healthy enough to a playoff run. It's like gambling that Fleury has a strong playoff run.

You might be right about a contract extension and, if so, that makes this deal a lot better. But let's see if they do. Lindholm wanted to test the market IIRC.

I'd be okay with Rakell and Chychrun.

Or if they want to make a more dramatic move:

Miller and Chychrun ... players and most of the cupboard contents.

 

[Leafs4Life77]

Be sellers please
We kidding ourselves thinking we’re 1 move away
Our competition have gone hard and upgraded
They will be in cap he’ll very soon
Focus on next season and sell the ones that won’t be part of it

If dubas is as smart as everyone says he is please realize this

Who would you like to see us sell? We have virtually no pending UFA’s.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'd be okay with Rakell and Chychrun.

Or if they want to make a more dramatic move:

Miller and Chychrun ... players and most of the cupboard contents.

Chychrun interests me because he's a longer term solution with his contract. Otherwise I'm not keen on selling for rentals because the biggest question mark is in net. I would only consider bringing in a goalie.

Don't spend assets otherwise.

 

[HolyCrap]

It’s gonna be a tough out regardless how well this team stacks up against the competition. I know there’s a few holes I’d like to see filled but at what cost.? If we can fill them and not completely destroy our farm then I say go for it. I too wish we were a lot more meaner to play against but I’m not sure its wise to sell off assets and retool. Mathews will be looking to sign in a few years and he’s in his prime. I’d even move Willy for the right player.

 

[HolyCrap]

Chychrun interests me because he's a longer term solution with his contract. Otherwise I'm not keen on selling for rentals because the biggest question mark is in net. I would only consider bringing in a goalie.

Don't spend assets otherwise.

Yup. We need a dang good goalie. Then ride the best goalie.

 

[96]

Bring in big Z Zdeno Chara and Mark Gio... We can ride with our current goalies unless someone is avail for cheap (Mrazek+)

 

[Bloomberg]

It’s gonna be a tough out regardless how well this team stacks up against the competition. I know there’s a few holes I’d like to see filled but at what cost.? If we can fill them and not completely destroy our farm then I say go for it. I too wish we were a lot more meaner to play against but I’m not sure its wise to sell off assets and retool. Mathews will be looking to sign in a few years and he’s in his prime. I’d even move Willy for the right player.

That's the sad part. 2 seasons after this season, both Matthews and Nylander are UFAs. If you thought their cap hit was high when they were RFAs.......lolllll

 

[ULF_55]

Chychrun interests me because he's a longer term solution with his contract. Otherwise I'm not keen on selling for rentals because the biggest question mark is in net. I would only consider bringing in a goalie.

Don't spend assets otherwise.

I don't think teams are going to give up a good goaltender.
Just don't know if Korpisalo will ever be the answer now, unless he's playing Toronto