Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XII - C'mon Trades!

[jaric1862]

Who's does that leave in the market for Giordano? Canes, Blues and Rangers?

 

[Nylander88]

Who's does that leave in the market for Giordano? Canes, Blues and Rangers?

I think that's pretty accurate. Gut feelings Francis does right by Gio and sends him to Toronto. It's become pretty clear for every other team, that Gio is going to try his hardest to try and sign with us in the off-season regardless. He isn't what he once was...but he's still a top 4 on most squads, and he's still logging 20+ mins a night. Have a feeling he'll be a Leaf by Monday

 

[dubplatepressure]

I think that's pretty accurate. Gut feelings Francis does right by Gio and sends him to Toronto. It's become pretty clear for every other team, that Gio is going to try his hardest to try and sign with us in the off-season regardless. He isn't what he once was...but he's still a top 4 on most squads, and he's still logging 20+ mins a night. Have a feeling he'll be a Leaf by Monday

Makes a fabulous partner for one of the kids on D too.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Who's does that leave in the market for Giordano? Canes, Blues and Rangers?

Yes, more or less. Rangers need him the most by far.

 

[nuck]

Boston has given up 1 1st, 2 2nds, a prospect, and a depth player
Florida has given up 2 1sts, 1 3rd, a prospect, and two roster players
Tampa has given up 2 1sts, and two roster players

At least one of those teams will be eliminated

If that's what the Joneses are doing, I'd rather keep our prospects and not take out a mortgage to keep up.
Make a minor move or two and go with this core, sink or swim.

Hopefully Campbell and Muzzin can come back healthy and play like they used to
Or maybe Kallgren can go on a hot rookie playoff tear we often see.

I'm not sure this club is a minor move away from doing anything in spite of a bunch of players having great years. Tampa seems to deal high picks and prospects every year and has two Cups to show for it. Boston has done a bit of that as well for years, and in spite of that they remain competitive. I don't fault KD for doing the same last year. A healthy Foligno and Tavares and they might have had something to show for it. If he does it again this year I am happy with it (but choose better than Nick!), especially if he can make the cap situation better rather than worse. Picks are just maybes until they show they can take the next step. Right now its the guys who have shown they have the next gear we don't want to see out the door right? Having said all that, the success rate for playoff rentals being a win is pretty poor and a hot goalie trumps all.

TDL to me is as exciting as the draft used to be when the Leafs were doormats but so far I haven't seen much to make me the Leafs had ponied up for anything and Dubas has supposedly been working the phones on a lot of different things. I don't think its a minor move he has planned.

Not sure how I feel about Tyler Motte. The 3rd line is fine without him, he doesn't play top 6 minutes with Van and could he be any kind of an upgrade on Kerfoot? You aren't going to do any real spend for the 4th line so where does he fit? But he does hit a bit, his giveaway to takeaway ratio is best on the Canucks and he is their #2 forward for PK minutes. So why was Dubas allegedly inquiring? Is it in fact a Kerfoot move to drop $2M+ in cap? He was in on Hagel as well so....

My theory is Motte (pending UFA so if he walks the Nucks get jack) and Gio. Not saying I want this, I just kind of expect it.

 

[uncleben]

I'm not sure this club is a minor move away from doing anything in spite of a bunch of players having great years. Tampa seems to deal high picks and prospects every year and has two Cups to show for it. Boston has done a bit of that as well for years, and in spite of that they remain competitive. I don't fault KD for doing the same last year. A healthy Foligno and Tavares and they might have had something to show for it. If he does it again this year I am happy with it (but choose better than Nick!), especially if he can make the cap situation better rather than worse. Picks are just maybes until they show they can take the next step. Right now its the guys who have shown they have the next gear we don't want to see out the door right? Having said all that, the success rate for playoff rentals being a win is pretty poor and a hot goalie trumps all.

TDL to me is as exciting as the draft used to be when the Leafs were doormats but so far I haven't seen much to make me the Leafs had ponied up for anything and Dubas has supposedly been working the phones on a lot of different things. I don't think its a minor move he has planned.

Not sure how I feel about Tyler Motte. The 3rd line is fine without him, he doesn't play top 6 minutes with Van and could he be any kind of an upgrade on Kerfoot? You aren't going to do any real spend for the 4th line so where does he fit? But he does hit a bit, his giveaway to takeaway ratio is best on the Canucks and he is their #2 forward for PK minutes. So why was Dubas allegedly inquiring? Is it in fact a Kerfoot move to drop $2M+ in cap? He was in on Hagel as well so....

My theory is Motte (pending UFA so if he walks the Nucks get jack) and Gio. Not saying I want this, I just kind of expect it.

I actually do agree with this too.

But I too am not sold on Motte. Not sure how that pushes over
I'd rather pick a depth player for really cheap and settle on the core or go real big.
But spending a 1st plus a top prospect for a player like Motte is a major overpay, imo, but unfortunately certainly the trend right now

 

[Bloomberg]

Why? The fact he got hurt isn't on the GM.

That's a bizarre take.

Because we traded our first for a 2nd line LW. The other prices are higher, but they got back either top 4 D or player with term (Hagel). Or maybe I'm just bitter that the teams we are potentially going to see in the playoffs all got better. Especially hate Boston getting Lindholm, hopefully he doesn't resigned or gets signed to a bad contract.

 

[Dragao6]

Boston has given up 1 1st, 2 2nds, a prospect, and a depth player
Florida has given up 2 1sts, 1 3rd, a prospect, and two roster players
Tampa has given up 2 1sts, and two roster players

At least one of those teams will be eliminated

If that's what the Joneses are doing, I'd rather keep our prospects and not take out a mortgage to keep up.
Make a minor move or two and go with this core, sink or swim.

Hopefully Campbell and Muzzin can come back healthy and play like they used to
Or maybe Kallgren can go on a hot rookie playoff tear we often see.

Keep in mind that all these first, even ours, are/would be very low picks, almost 2nds that’s why the returns look huge but they ok

Love seeing our direct competitors, teams above us making move to go for it and the leafs nothing lol

I’m liking more and more the idea of us being sellers this year
Holl, mikhaev if not resigning, maybe dermot and def mrazek

Off season this year can be huge as our direct competitors get to cap hell in next few years

 

[Nylanderthal]

Makes a fabulous partner for one of the kids on D too.

Rielly Boosh
Gio Brodie
Muzz Holl
Sandin Liljegren
Everyone says you need 8 nhl D for a playoff run, there’s 8.
If those top three pairings can be what their reasonable best form is at the right time it’s a pretty damn good group.

 

[Leaffan1991]

I miss the late 90s early 2000s deadlines.
Leetch, Nolan, Nieuwendyk,

 

[Nylanderthal]

Dermott for a motte/Schenn combo, or in. Gio package with a 2nd and a guy like hirvonen.
Wouldn’t touch our top prospects and would be clutching at our letting our first go too. I’d rather have that pick as a trade chip at the draft where actual impact to the roster can be made and more players are available, or to move back with and back fill some of the lost draft capital spent recently, that is of course unless a can’t miss guy falls to our spot.

 

[Morgs]

I cannot believe these prices.

The Hagel trade was insane, bat shit crazy. Lindholm for basically two 1sts and two 2nds is bonkers. He hasnt been even great in years. Giroux one makes sense, but apparently he was only going to Florida and wanted out so the Panthers had leverage. I can't even imagine what Forsberg or Miller would be traded for.

Honestly, our team matches up well against anyone as is. An add would be nice, but not at these prices. Mortgaging the future when this team is good enough as is besides goaltending would be insane to me.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I miss the late 90s early 2000s deadlines.
Leetch, Nolan, Nieuwendyk,

Those moves set the franchise back a decade, and for what? To lose to the flyers in the second round or Carolina/Buffalo in the semi finals? Who cares.

 

[nuck]

I mean if Dubas somehow ends up getting Giordano for like Duscak and a 3rd does he win this TDL?

I will make him my f*# ing avatar if he does that. Even if Gio does nothing the get for that kind of a cost is a crazy win because he could actually be a better than Muzzin addition, we don't know, and that's all the buying team can control.

If the goalie situation doesn't work out than anything that doesn't fix that might be considered a fail, but it may be nothing at all. They won't squeeze the Kraken that hard though but they have the inside track perhaps.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I cannot believe these prices.

The Hagel trade was insane, bat shit crazy. Lindholm for basically two 1sts and two 2nds is bonkers. He hasnt been even great in years. Giroux one makes sense, but apparently he was only going to Florida and wanted out so the Panthers had leverage. I can't even imagine what Forsberg or Miller would be traded for.

Honestly, our team matches up well against anyone as is. An add would be nice, but not at these prices. Mortgaging the future when this team is good enough as is besides goaltending would be insane to me.

I’d swap dermott for a similar value forward and then grab a different type of 8th D man, unless they can make a package for Gio without selling the farm.
I’m really uneasy about the goaltending situation, but I don’t think I see a reasonable solution at the moment.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Pens 200 feet from your net are always tough to swallow

 

[dubplatepressure]

Rielly Boosh
Gio Brodie
Muzz Holl
Sandin Liljegren
Everyone says you need 8 nhl D for a playoff run, there’s 8.
If those top three pairings can be what their reasonable best form is at the right time it’s a pretty damn good group.

In principle I agree, but we really don’t know if Boosh is capable of even top4 minutes yet.

 

[Nylanderthal]

In principle I agree, but we really don’t know if Boosh is capable of even top4 minutes yet.

With the two pairs presumably being Gio brodie and muzz holl there’s a built in insulation if it’s not working that game and can get them away from the tougher matchups

 

[dubplatepressure]

With the two pairs presumably being Gio brodie and muzz holl there’s a built in insulation if it’s not working that game and can get them away from the tougher matchups

The assumption that Muzz - Holl is capable of that is also something. Our D is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle with pieces from different puzzles right now - they just don’t all fit lol

 

[Heldig]

Based on what? He hasn't had a long run in the league. So based on his short resume? Bunting has a short resume and I think he could play in anyone's top 6 without "being in trouble". Not sure where you get Lyubushkin in the top 4 meaning we're in trouble from? What statistics are you looking at? Genuine question...not looking for an argument, rather some insight

Watched him for 3+ seasons in Arizona. Like him. Legit NHLer. Good at what he does. He has cement hands though and does not have the skill a contender like Toronto should be wanting in their top 4.

As for Bunting, a great story in Toronto. Not the same situation as Lybushkin at all, if that is what you are implying? Tocchet would stubbornly not play Bunting in Arizona despite being the best player on the Roadrunners for a couple seasons. Finally got called up and looked great. After the season he decided to go home for a better opportunity. Good for him.

 

[DcW]

I’d love to see a hockey trade as opposed to futures for rentals. Let’s really shake things up. Nylander for an equivalent D or different type of forward. I know Dubas won’t do it but would love to see a blockbuster

 

[Bigmarycombo]

I don’t Think we should do anything
We are not built for playoffs hockey and we need too much to start now

Save our picks and prospects and upgrade to some players with heart in the offseason

How can this team ever beat Florida Tampa Boston in a 7 game series.

For playoff hockey we need upgrades on holl dermott on defence. We need some grit back there. Dermott can’t clear the front of the net and holl is soft and slow and low hockey IQ

We have one elite first line
A third line who can skate and shut down the other team

KERFOOT nylander Tavares sucks together need upgrade for sure

We really don’t have a fourth line. Spezza should retire
Clifford is a joke
Simmons’s is done

Kate should retire before he has permanent damage from his concussions

Campbell and mrazek are iffy at best

Kallegren is unproven

We need too much and now is not the time to waste assets

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Deslauriers to Minny is odd considering Minnesota literally has toughness all around. Foligno/Greenway/Hartman/Duhaime/Dumba. Now you add in Delauriers.

Bill Guerin ready for any kind of game

They are looking at Calgary as being a war.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Chuckie boy....what do you want for Provorov?

 

[Coachcorner]

I don’t Think we should do anything
We are not built for playoffs hockey and we need too much to start now

Save our picks and prospects and upgrade to some players with heart in the offseason

How can this team ever beat Florida Tampa Boston in a 7 game series.

For playoff hockey we need upgrades on holl dermott on defence. We need some grit back there. Dermott can’t clear the front of the net and holl is soft and slow and low hockey IQ

We have one elite first line
A third line who can skate and shut down the other team

KERFOOT nylander Tavares sucks together need upgrade for sure

We really don’t have a fourth line. Spezza should retire
Clifford is a joke
Simmons’s is done

Kate should retire before he has permanent damage from his concussions

Campbell and mrazek are iffy at best

Kallegren is unproven

We need too much and now is not the time to waste assets

They will do something though tomorrow sire. You'llsee. We gon git a vet gezoalie. Like anderson etc. Even Korpisalo. Or some other real fool. Also we calling for Schenn, Luke. For hits and gravity. We also might take some other thuggish ruggish bone... like rinaldo or motte. Maybe even a Watson due trade. We gon definitely see to it. A guy like Delaursielrs would have REALLY been ours..... he defends his buddies in seconds. Fights, hits, scores. Plays PK. He is really out thurr... but minny got him already milord.