Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[Hoglund4MvP]

Are you aware of what the word 'speculation' means? Any idea how many clicks you get drawing a top trade target to Toronto? Now add in the uneducated fictitious problem that "Toronto needs D" and you have a narrative most goobers will lap up.

Do you truly thing a GM will leak his top target to the media? Gee, that surely wouldn't drive up the asking price, would it?

is this guy serious right now. clearly you target my name and want an enemy. i said something simple. you need some popcorn

 

[Holls Blackmail]

is this guy serious right now. clearly you target my name and want an enemy. i said something simple. you need some popcorn

Simple very much describes some content in this back and forth, indeed.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Baffled at how many people want to ship out Engvall. Guy has been extremely effective in a shutdown role for us, and he is chipping in offense. If anything on forward it's a 2 LW and 4th line help. Do not touch the 3rd line it's been money.

Meh, agree to disagree then. He's been OK - much better than in years past. I wouldn't discard him for nothing, to be clear.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Who the hell is paying Lindholm 8.5M per year? He's more or less a Muzzin and Brodie level player so Lindholms cap hit will probably be anywhere around 5M to 6M depending on term, maybe pushing 7M if you're desperate enough.

Seems like term is a big deal for him, so I could see him accepting just around 5M.

Who the hell was giving Seth Jones $9.5M? Darnell Nurse $9.25? The market has been set.

 

[ToneDog]

You trade one of our big 4 and turn over the roster.. would be naive to think wholesale changes wouldn't be made if we bow out in the 1st round yet again.

The Last Dance is truth.

Isn't 23 year old Chychrun at 4.6x3 without upsetting the cart better value than Lindholm @ 8.5x8?? If you had money for a top 4 dman, the other option is Klingberg as a UFA this summer and he would come "free".

 

[LeafSteel]

Open up newspaper and it will say Lindholm is one Leafs top target. So yes I can fully cheat and say "if they have plan". I didn't make up Lindholm connection. It's been there. Go back to sleep.

You may want to look at making your points without being so unpleasant and unnecessarily rude.

If you can’t handle posts that refute some of the things you say without becoming defensive, maybe you shouldn’t post hot takes that trigger the responses.

It’s a forum and people are going to respond. No need to get snarky in response to everyone who says something different.

If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.

 

[ER89]

Disagree. Engvall has been effective for 3 weeks of the season. From most of the games I see, he's an incredibly dumb player and has tunnel vision of shooting as hard as he can into a goalie's crest. Not to mention how soft he gets pushed off the puck.

nah, you don't evaluate him as a standalone. But you evaluate his fit with the entire third line. With engvall in tow, we have a third line that we can use to our matchup benefits.

Furthermore engvall aint going to move the needle on any trade, because as you say, as a standalone he's pretty dumb. He's got way more value to us and his role on that third line has been absolutely fantastic. Keep the Giraffe.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes change to playoff team record to divert from the senseless thing you originally say. Carry on

Easy to forget losses to powerhouses like Buffalo, Arizona, Montreal, Columbus and Vancouver and having to score 10 to beat Detroit. Better to concentrate on the good times.

 

[SprDaVE]

Who the hell was giving Seth Jones $9.5M? Darnell Nurse $9.25? The market has been set.

Jones and Nurse at least had elite level numbers in recent years. They were bad signings but there was some form of upside there, especially with Nurse. Riellys contract wasn't set by those 2, for example.

If Lindholm gets over 8M, it's going to be a bad time for whoever makes that decision because he hasn't played anywhere near that level. I'd be shocked.

But NHL GMs always make dumb decisions and I shouldn't be surprised when it does happen.

 

[ToneDog]

You may want to look at making your points without being so unpleasant and unnecessarily rude.

If you can’t handle posts that refute some of the things you say without becoming defensive, maybe you shouldn’t post hot takes that trigger the responses.

It’s a forum and people are going to respond. No need to get snarky in response to everyone who says something different.

If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.

Saying you "sound like Vito from Woodbridge calling in saying trade Kerfoot and a 2nd for a 50% retained McDavid" is pretty funny but not exactly playing nice either. Love the passion from both posters.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Guess what Tampa and Florida's records are in their last 10. Maybe open up one of those newspapers you were talking about.

You I guilty dish on yes because your post was senseless. Maybe recap the last 3 months then get back to me why bad losses started to effect us more as the weeks went on

You post to anger a whole group so people like you deserve to be dish on

 

[LeafChief]

You I guilty dish on yes because your post was senseless. Maybe recap the last 3 months then get back to me why bad losses started to effect us more as the weeks went on

You post to anger a whole group so people like you deserve to be dish on

I need you to use spell check on this one.

But if I'm going over the last 3 months, the Leafs are tracking with Tampa and Florida. Within striking distance while taking into account the horrible goaltending they've been getting.

Tampa went through a stretch recently where they lost 4 of 6. Florida lost 4 in a row at home. My point prior to your tangent was that ALL teams go through bad stretches.

Also you can just respond to me from your main account. No need to respond from your account as well as your burner.

 

[Peace Frog]

I asked my questions about Lindholm and Chychrun, just to see if there is a fair amount of people with the same opinions as me.

I guess I’m not the only one who sees the greater value in paying up for a solid top four dman, who’s signed at a terrific cap friendly contract for the next three seasons.

Imo, inec between the two. One’s going to be 24 at the end of this month and the other one is four years older.

I’m REALLY hoping that because the Leafs haven’t been constantly tied to Chychrun, that that’ll mean that Dubas is in fact, hugely pushing for him. Lol.

 

[LeafChief]

I asked my questions about Lindholm and Chychrun, just to see if there is a fair amount of people with the same opinions as me.

I guess I’m not the only one who sees the greater value in paying up for a solid top four dman, who’s signed at a terrific cap friendly contract for the next three seasons.

Imo, inec between the two. One’s going to be 24 at the end of this month and the other one is four years older.

I’m REALLY hoping that because the Leafs haven’t been constantly tied to Chychrun, that that’ll mean that Dubas is in fact, hugely pushing for him. Lol.

It definitely makes a ton more sense to throw assets at Chychrun than it does for Lindholm. Contract vs upcoming UFA and their ages all come into account.

 

[Deebo]

Nobody would complain if Leaf lost a bad game after going 6-1 in past 7.

Nobody??

 

[Peace Frog]

As for Giordano, imo, that would be a player I would look to acquire in the offseason. He’s made it very well known that he wants to play here. Why not go all in on getting Chychrun at the deadline (and hopefully a forward), and then sign Gio to a very team friendly one year deal this summer?

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Jones and Nurse at least had elite level numbers in recent years. They were bad signings but there was some form of upside there, especially with Nurse. Riellys contract wasn't set by those 2, for example.

If Lindholm gets over 8M, it's going to be a bad time for whoever makes that decision because he hasn't played anywhere near that level. I'd be shocked.

But NHL GMs always make dumb decisions and I shouldn't be surprised when it does happen.

To be clear; I wouldn't want to pay him that but I do think he gets more than Rielly. He'll be a UFA going to a new team and may chase the money. I feel it'll be there for him given how important low end #1 D/high end 2nd pairing are to desperate teams.

 

[SprDaVE]

To be clear; I wouldn't want to pay him that but I do think he gets more than Rielly. He'll be a UFA going to a new team and may chase the money. I feel it'll be there for him given how important low end #1 D/high end 2nd pairing are to desperate teams.

You're probably right. NHL GMs never cease to amaze me with how dumb and desperate they can get.

 

[ToneDog]

To be clear; I wouldn't want to pay him that but I do think he gets more than Rielly. He'll be a UFA going to a new team and may chase the money. I feel it'll be there for him given how important low end #1 D/high end 2nd pairing are to desperate teams.

Hard to believe Ducks have not resigned Lindholm if $5mx8 is in his ballpark.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Get a solid 4th line forward, see if anyone wants to swap bad backup goalies and call it a day. Don't want to pay a 1st + top prospect

 

[nuck]

Who the hell is paying Lindholm 8.5M per year? He's more or less a Muzzin and Brodie level player so Lindholms cap hit will probably be anywhere around 5M to 6M depending on term, maybe pushing 7M if you're desperate enough.

Seems like term is a big deal for him, so I could see him accepting just around 5M.

I think minimum Rielly money and probably more as Mo never hit UFA. We'll see

 

[Fogelhund]

Isn't 23 year old Chychrun at 4.6x3 without upsetting the cart better value than Lindholm @ 8.5x8?? If you had money for a top 4 dman, the other option is Klingberg as a UFA this summer and he would come "free".

Contract wise, he's much better value, and with proper coaching, and guidance, probably ends up just as good, or better. He's got room to grow.

That being said, the cost to acquire will be miles different I think. Coyotes are looking at a very premium return, probably 1st, a NHL player, and top prospect. You are looking at 1st, Sandin, Robertson I'd think. Lindholm acquisition isn't near that... I don't know how you discount that.

 

[SprDaVE]

Hard to believe Ducks have not resigned Lindholm if $5mx8 is in his ballpark.

Sounds like the term is the problem, not the money. They are probably trying to get him for 3 or so years and he wants 6+ years.

5 to 6M seems perfectly reasonable for him. That's Muzzin and Brodie level money.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Chychrun
Crouse

To Arizona-
Nylander
Dermott

Then,

To Toronto-
Miller
Schenn

To Vancouver-
Kerfoot
Liljegren
Robertson
1st Round Pick

Bunting-Matthews-Miller
Crouse-Tavares-Marner
Mikheyev-Kampf-Engvall
Knies-Spezza-Kase

Rielly-Brodie
Chychrun-Lyubushkin
Muzzin-Sandin
Schenn-Holl

Team is still stacked with skill and speed but definitely adds some size and grit, but players who can actually play.

 

[Fogelhund]

You I guilty dish on yes because your post was senseless. Maybe recap the last 3 months then get back to me why bad losses started to effect us more as the weeks went on

You post to anger a whole group so people like you deserve to be dish on

You seem to have some passion for the Leafs. Calm down with the rhetoric of borderline attacks, and you'll have a better discussion.