Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[LeafChief]

He actually lists 19 teams he can be traded to. If he chooses he can almost much control his destination by choosing clubs that are not in the market for him or his cap hit. It would be a little underhanded and I would not not expect that but he isn't at the mercy of the Kraken "doing right by him."

Thanks for the clarification. If he has his heart set on coming here, that should play into our favour (hopefully). Francis got a chance to play here at the end of his career. Hopefully he can make it work for Giordano too (and by make it work I mean send him here on a sweetheart deal lol).

 

[ER89]

Rumour has it Lindholm wants 8 years at big money, and why wouldn’t he given the market. Acquiring him, as much as it’d be arguably the biggest move we could make this TDL, simply doesn’t make sense for a guy we have no feasible way of keeping past the summer. Lindholm would be a pure rental

Exactly, hence why you don't pay it in our situation. We should pay the price on chychrun though. Long term cost controlled top pairing d-men don't come up often (if the rumours are true).

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Florida lost last night to a team playing their third string goalie with McNabb, Martinez, Pacioretty, Stone and Smith missing. A few more as well. Eichel left in the 2nd period.

If the Leafs had lost that game this forum would be talking about blowing it up and firing 'Kid Kyle' (the use of these nicknames speaks to the intelligence level).

The doom and gloom posters should watch hockey other than Leafs hockey once in a while.

Nobody would complain if Leaf lost a bad game after going 6-1 in past 7. Leaf had to suck for 2+ months in combination with bad games to finally get people to crack and start be upset and make new season plans. Even goalies were spared in very beginning of it.

Some of you very clueless to what is actually going on, only some, not a lot.

 

[Torontonian]

I think this means they hope the price on Giordano reduces, especially with news he wants to play for Toronto primarily.



Only way the Leafs are heavily interested in Lindholm is if Muzzins health takes a bad turn or they somehow re-sign Lindholm and figure out the cap logistics in the summer.

Well, taking as it seems they want to upgrade their top 4, It seems like anyone they get at the deadline is going to be a rental.

Lindholm is the best available Dman at the TDL, so it’s not shocking Toronto is interested in him, I don’t think the stipulation is only if he’s gonna resign and Muzzin health worsens, if he could had for a 2nd, they obv would get him.

My theory as I posted before, when getting players at the deadline, your target should be someone that moves the needle completely for your team, Lindholm does that for the leafs, we spent a 1st last year on a depth piece and to me, someone who didn’t move the needle on our forwards, that’s a waste of a asset in comparison to using a first on Lindholm

 

[nuck]

I think Lindholm is the better defenseman. But if the Ducks can't get Lindholm signed to a reasonable contract, what are the chances that Dubas will? I'd take Chychrun because it removes Dubas from negotiating contracts for star players.

Doesn't adding and retaining either of those guys require Muzzin be demoted to 3rd pairing or traded? Plus Jake has the NT so what happens to Sandin?
I am thinking that money aside, they can only fit a long term defenseman if he is a righty. hence why Gio works.

 

[Sypher04]

Exactly, hence why you don't pay it in our situation. We should pay the price on chychrun though. Long term cost controlled top pairing d-men don't come up often (if the rumours are true).

Given the favourable contract I’d be more interested in Chychrun as well, though he has a very different skillset from Lindholm.

 

[ToneDog]

Nobody would complain if Leaf lost a bad game after going 6-1 in past 7. Leaf had to suck for 2+ months in combination with bad games to finally get people to crack and start be upset and make new season plans. Even goalies were spared in very beginning of it.

Some of you very clueless to what is actually going on, only some, not a lot.

You don't pull any punches.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

It's Hampus Lindholm. If they have plan to re-sign him after, this package is soft and should be met. What top prospect we have guarantee to give the next 3-5 years level of Lindholm? Lindholm can even get career year here still similar to Kadri finally seeing ceiling in Colorado.

How are you going to fit $8.5M plus into the cap next year?

 

[Legion34]

In theory we absolutely “could” sign lindholm with 6.5 million x8. For his offence. That’s about right. Even with muzz still here. You “could” get by with muzz this year if kalgren is your backup. You could have 4.3 million (maybe save some more elsewhere) to sign a goalie.

Not saying it’s likely or what even I would want. But it absolutely is possible

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

How are you going to fit $8.5M plus into the cap next year?

That's not my problem. Dubas sit there with his tim horton and popcorn and figure it out. It is true though that package is very soft if he has plan for this. Maybe start with muzzin cap hit.

 

[inthe6ix]

How are you going to fit $8.5M plus into the cap next year?

You trade one of our big 4 and turn over the roster.. would be naive to think wholesale changes wouldn't be made if we bow out in the 1st round yet again.

The Last Dance is truth.

 

[ToneDog]

How are you going to fit $8.5M plus into the cap next year?

Not only that but how do you give him $8.5m after Rielly signed at a team friendly $7.5m ??

 

[inthe6ix]

I think this means they hope the price on Giordano reduces, especially with news he wants to play for Toronto primarily.



Only way the Leafs are heavily interested in Lindholm is if Muzzins health takes a bad turn or they somehow re-sign Lindholm and figure out the cap logistics in the summer.

Gio with Brodie for one last run would be sweet for sure. If KD can make it happen at a reasonable cost, then he should do it. Gio still has gas in the tank.

 

[ER89]

Not only that but how do you give him $8.5m after Rielly signed at a team friendly $7.5m ??

that's a solid point. You don't say FU to your most loyal solider.

 

[Fogelhund]

Clearly, we aren't extending Lindholm for that price, it's just not happening.

Frankly, this all points to Giordano to me. Playing Lyubushkin with Rielly, is trying to find a new partner for Rielly, freeing up Brodie for a second pairing, likely with his old partner Giordano. The cost would be lower, and "if" Giordano works out, it wouldn't shock me to see him sign for the "Spezza" type contract in the last year or two of his career. That we can afford.

Dermott goes the other way, maybe one other piece.

But

Mo Lyubushkin
Giordano Brodie
Muzzin Liljegren
Sandin

Is a very solid D core.

Maybe not the physical answer we were looking for, but solid nonetheless.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

That's not my problem. Dubas sit there with his tim horton and popcorn and figure it out. It is true though that package is very soft if he has plan for this. Maybe start with muzzin cap hit.

No, it is your problem you created with your suggestion.

If you have the foresight to complain and say Trade A for B and X needs to be fixed with Y, you should have the foresight to be able to deconstruct the problem from all angles and provide actual, attainable solutions.

Otherwise you sound like Vito from Woodbridge calling in saying trade Kerfoot and a 2nd for a 50% retained McDavid.

 

[The Blueprint]

Baffled at how many people want to ship out Engvall. Guy has been extremely effective in a shutdown role for us, and he is chipping in offense. If anything on forward it's a 2 LW and 4th line help. Do not touch the 3rd line it's been money.

 

[TMLAM34]

In theory we absolutely “could” sign lindholm with 6.5 million x8. For his offence. That’s about right. Even with muzz still here. You “could” get by with muzz this year if kalgren is your backup. You could have 4.3 million (maybe save some more elsewhere) to sign a goalie.

Not saying it’s likely or what even I would want. But it absolutely is possible

If Kallgren can show he’s at least a backup goalie over the next month, that would be huge. A 750k backup on a cap strapped team would be fantastic and allow us to do some extra things to the roster.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Not only that but how do you give him $8.5m after Rielly signed at a team friendly $7.5m ??

I was saving that for a counterpoint msg, ha.
You're 100% correct with this.

 

[LeafChief]

Nobody would complain if Leaf lost a bad game after going 6-1 in past 7. Leaf had to suck for 2+ months in combination with bad games to finally get people to crack and start be upset and make new season plans. Even goalies were spared in very beginning of it.

Some of you very clueless to what is actually going on, only some, not a lot.

The Toronto Maple Leafs are 6-3-1 in their last 10 and 4-0 in their last 4 games against playoff teams while getting house league level goaltending. 'Carry on though'.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

No, it is your problem you created with your suggestion.

If you have the foresight to complain and say Trade A for B and X needs to be fixed with Y, you should have the foresight to be able to deconstruct the problem from all angles and provide actual, attainable solutions.

Otherwise you sound like Vito from Woodbridge calling in saying trade Kerfoot and a 2nd for a 50% retained McDavid.

Open up newspaper and it will say Lindholm is one Leafs top target. So yes I can fully cheat and say "if they have plan". I didn't make up Lindholm connection. It's been there. Go back to sleep.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Baffled at how many people want to ship out Engvall. Guy has been extremely effective in a shutdown role for us, and he is chipping in offense. If anything on forward it's a 2 LW and 4th line help. Do not touch the 3rd line it's been money.

Disagree. Engvall has been effective for 3 weeks of the season. From most of the games I see, he's an incredibly dumb player and has tunnel vision of shooting as hard as he can into a goalie's crest. Not to mention how soft he gets pushed off the puck.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Open up newspaper and it will say Lindholm is one Leafs top target. So yes I can fully cheat and say "if they have plan". I didn't make up Lindholm connection. It's been there. Go back to sleep.

Are you aware of what the word 'speculation' means? Any idea how many clicks you get drawing a top trade target to Toronto? Now add in the uneducated fictitious problem that "Toronto needs D" and you have a narrative most goobers will lap up.

Do you truly thing a GM will leak his top target to the media? Gee, that surely wouldn't drive up the asking price, would it?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

The Toronto Maple Leafs are 6-3-1 in their last 10 and 4-0 in their last 4 games against playoff teams while getting house league level goaltending. 'Carry on though'.

Yes change to playoff team record to divert from the senseless thing you originally say. Carry on

 

[SprDaVE]

How are you going to fit $8.5M plus into the cap next year?

Who the hell is paying Lindholm 8.5M per year? He's more or less a Muzzin and Brodie level player so Lindholms cap hit will probably be anywhere around 5M to 6M depending on term, maybe pushing 7M if you're desperate enough.

Seems like term is a big deal for him, so I could see him accepting just around 5M.