Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 Part XI - Deadline Looming

[DraftSchmaft]

Not sure what you're looking at, because it's not true.

Top 8 teams from each conference make the playoffs. The best 8 teams.

The advanced stats usually a good predictor for how these 8 teams will shape up. These stats are built across a 32 team league so at a certain point, it's not really that hard for these top teams to crush the rest of the league and maintain their stats.

These stats no longer hold their predictive power in the playoffs. That's a fact. Playoffs is more complex.

It's really useless to say the regular season advanced stats will correlate to who wins the cup, when the playoffs consists of all the teams who did well or marginally well in advanced stats. What information are you gaining? Yeah, obviously the 6th or 8th best ranked xGF team in regular season won the cup. They are one of the best teams who entered the playoffs by default. There's only 16 of them now.

The advanced stats seen in the playoffs don't predict anything. Go look at them yourself. Which one you choosing as a predictor? Yeah, I thought so.

Playoffs is more complex and I don't have the energy to get into a playoff style hockey debate right now or getting into the words clutch or killer instinct heart etc.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Go for lindholm Dubas, sign him to extension right away too. He's a legit top defender and Anaheim won't give him term apparently.
1st plus Lilly plus Hirvonen.
They are asking for first top prospect plus one more average prospect

 

[IPS]

Playoffs is more complex and I don't have the energy to get into a playoff style hockey debate right now or getting into the words clutch or killer instinct heart etc.

It's a waste of time with those people anyway.

Prove them wrong a bunch of times and they always fall back to "Toronto failed because they got goalie'd" and teams like the Islanders "got lucky because of unsustainable goaltending."

 

[Mickey Marner]

You can thank sweet Lou for handing Jarvis to Carolina. If there was a better alternative to the deal he was handcuffed to he would’ve made it. Patty had packed up his family sent them back to California and demanded a trade out of town, to either a place who’d buy him out or to the sharks, who were cap strapped.
He also more than made up for it by dishing kapanen off for a pick two slots higher than the one he surrendered and prospect capital that became the teams XD penance

That contract was horrid and the provenance of our cap issues, but it could've been handled better. Marleau wasn't going to retire without the games played record. Could've kept his shitty deal for another year and traded Johnsson & Kapanen a year earlier. By the time the deadline rolled around his caphit would likely be low enough to trade back to San Jose anyhow. Use the year to reset the cap situation, rather than try to compete and fix the cap simultaneously, which didn't work out.

The pick (15th, Amirov) we received from Kapanen was also two places lower than the pick (13th, Jarvis) we relinquished for Marleau.

 

[fahad203]

Go for lindholm Dubas, sign him to extension right away too. He's a legit top defender and Anaheim won't give him term apparently.
1st plus Lilly plus Hirvonen.
They are asking for first top prospect plus one more average prospect

If we can get terms, then I would definitely do this.

We have quite a few of players very similar to Hirvonen with Abramov, SDA, Steeves and Abruzzesse

Lilly will be a good defencemen few years down the road. We need the help now

 

[Burnie97]

steep

 

[SeaOfBlue]

steep

Easy no for the Leafs. Let some other team pay that.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Easy no for the Leafs. Let some other team pay that.

LOL - if only we could all get a 1st round pick, a grade-A prospect, and a roster piece for 2 months of a player. Really hope he just stays and walks now.

 

[123offtheglass]

steep

Best defenseman available but a bit overrated in my mind, stay clear of that asking price.

 

[Burnie97]

 

[fahad203]

It's a waste of time with those people anyway.

Prove them wrong a bunch of times and they always fall back to "Toronto failed because they got goalie'd" and teams like the Islanders "got lucky because of unsustainable goaltending."

I can't remember a team that did well in playoffs without getting unsustainable goaltending. Goaltending is the backbone of any success in NHL, so it's almost given you need solid goaltending.

But to say Isles only did well because of goaltending it's not fully true. Considering Barzal for past 40 games has 31 points, and similar numbers are true for Nelson, Bailey and crazy perofrmance by Pageau

That along with solid forechecking game. Even Mat Martin one playoffs had 5 goals

 

[Fogelhund]

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He Czechs off a few boxes.

 

[PromisedLand]

Good ol Tarana kid

 

[Nylanderthal]

That contract was horrid and the provenance of our cap issues, but it could've been handled better. Marleau wasn't going to retire without the games played record. Could've kept his shitty deal for another year and traded Johnsson & Kapanen a year earlier. By the time the deadline rolled around his caphit would likely be low enough to trade back to San Jose anyhow. Use the year to reset the cap situation, rather than try to compete and fix the cap simultaneously, which didn't work out.

The pick (15th, Amirov) we received from Kapanen was also two places lower than the pick (13th, Jarvis) we relinquished for Marleau.

That’s what I meant by higher up, my mistake no they couldn’t of kept him he packed up and went home demanding a trade.
I wouldnt want to know what the story around here would be if Dubas held firm screwing over a vet like marleau. Not to mention the impact it might’ve had on attracting other vets.

 

[Leaffan1991]

It's going to be gio most likely which I mean is still a good pickup because he's still a top 4 guy but he's only helping us a bit in the near term, would be nice to get a guy for long term but doesn't seem realistic

 

[Burnie97]

Decent listen here if you have the time. Mentions not that it's likely but Leafs are looking at adding to all 3 positions if they could but seems mostly focused on D. Bit of a mystery what they're going to do.

Other teams are swinging for the fences so depends how close they think they are.

 

[Mickey Marner]

That’s what I meant by higher up, my mistake no they couldn’t of kept him he packed up and went home demanding a trade.
I wouldnt want to know what the story around here would be if Dubas held firm screwing over a vet like marleau. Not to mention the impact it might’ve had on attracting other vets.

If Marleau didn't report to camp he'd be suspended. He could retire, or play. He's a big boy who made a decision, no need to capitulate to his demands if it hurts the team. Mikheyev wanted a trade and Dubas said no, life goes on. Plus, Marleau was willing to be away from his family in Toronto for the playoff bubble anyhow.

 

[Torontonian]

Terrible optics for the players, and the fan base would go ballistic.

And rightfully so, I don’t ever think I have see a team 5th place in the entire league sell off.. It’s not by fluke the Leafs are in 5th place in the entire NHL.

This fan base can be to much at times.

 

[stickty111]

Decent listen here if you have the time. Mentions not that it's likely but Leafs are looking at adding to all 3 positions if they could but seems mostly focused on D. Bit of a mystery what they're going to do.

Other teams are swinging for the fences so depends how close they think they are.

Lebrun said in his article that Leafs are interested in Giordano and he would like to play here. Right now the ask is a first, but Lebrun thinks a 2nd and a prospect would get it done. Depending on the prospect, I would do it.

 

[PromisedLand]

steep

Hypothetically.... even if Leafs were interested how would the cap even work? Lindholm aint gonna sign for chum change even if leafs were to give him term

 

[SprDaVE]

Decent listen here if you have the time. Mentions not that it's likely but Leafs are looking at adding to all 3 positions if they could but seems mostly focused on D. Bit of a mystery what they're going to do.

Other teams are swinging for the fences so depends how close they think they are.

It feels like the Leafs will add a D and then move Dermott for maybe an equivalent forward or maybe a pick. This would scratch both the D and the F they want to add.

 

[VanW27]

It feels like the Leafs will add a D and then move Dermott for maybe an equivalent forward or maybe a pick. This would scratch both the D and the F they want to add.

Seems logical, supposedly Seattle liked Dermott, maybe Dermott for Appleton.

 

[Amadeus]

Seems logical, supposedly Seattle liked Dermott, maybe Dermott for Appleton.

That's a good base for a deal. Appleton can play up in the lineup as well but could be very serviceable on the 4th line. More than Simmonds.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

What Im saying is, would you mortgage your future by trading away Matthews, if it meant you win a Cup this season? Im not saying you should or shouldnt. The point Im trying to make is, would you do anything to win a Cup this season? Obviously its to the extreme with Matthews, and value with what the Panthers have/are trading away does not equal Matthews. Because I keep reading (not here) that the Panthers are mortgaging part of their future for this playoff run, and I just do not understand the reasoning behind it. Yes, we are giving up valuable pieces that can offset any loss we have seasons down the road, but the ultimate goal is to win the Cup, would you not want your GM to put your team in the best possible position? Again, not by emptying the cupboard, but using those assets when need be.

If this is YOUR season you believe then yes understandable, however, the closest comparison would be if you would be trading away Barkov for the cup. The only situation a Barkov is traded is if someone behind him like a Crosby-Malkin is ready and able IMO. We MIGHT have that a bit in Marner but as great as he is Matthew's impact is paramount. It is similar to you in the instance of say Huberdeau however, we all know how important Sasha is...and it's ridiculous to steer a team without him in the lineup.

I think the pushback you are receiving is regarding the price of similar players in previous deadlines...It seems like a seller's market and it also is likely due to the fact of Cap status plays a big role. It's okay to mortgage the future if you don't believe this draft is deep and you can run again in the following year and you have a gut saying that this is the year we need to do it. It is definitely a delicate balance and ofc hard work pays off but there is also Lady luck that needs to smile. So if you guys think that's the time go for it but the draft also seems to be so wide open...people are like they can snag talent from anywhere.

It's definitely a fine balancing act, play with the variables you do know versus the variable you are unaware of and weigh your options based on those.

 

[SprDaVE]

Seems logical, supposedly Seattle liked Dermott, maybe Dermott for Appleton.

I suggested Comtois but Appleton is a good one as well.