GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

[notdoneyet]

I dont see what others see in kerfoot

the majority of his ice time is with tavares and nylander arguably a number 1 center and number 1 right wing on most teams. He plays against inferior players and dmen because the matthews line is up against the best of our opponents players. In spite of all the perks and opponents skill set he has a measly 7 goals. For 7 goal’s and 3,5 in cap we should have a much better left-wing in our top 6.
He is handed everything on a silver platter yet cant produce, would be one of my first subtractions.

 

[stickty111]

If you upgrade on any defenseman on this team it's Holl and not Liljegren. I don't understand how anyone can watch the games, look at the numbers and determine that Liljegren can't be on a third pairing of a cup winning team right now. The only way to get your young players playoff experience is to actually play them in the playoffs.

Plus it's not like we are asking him to be a top 4 guy. Sheltered 3rd pair minutes he can handle along with a more prepared Sandin.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Imagine if the Bruins used that logic against Charlie McAvoy.

I just don't get the people that want to upgrade, and then are perfectly happy to part with premium assets like our top prospects, young roster players and first rounders for garbage-ass players like Josh Manson, Ben Chiarot and Scott Mayfield.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Imagine if the Bruins used that logic against Charlie McAvoy.

It's a tough comparison for Liljegren and Sandin.

McAvoy was the 8th defenseman on their depth chart as a rookie. He only came in because of injuries or he wasn't getting a sniff that year.

The next season he was on a 40-point pace as a top-pairing defenseman against tough competition. He fully earned his spot on the playoff roster.

Lily and Sandin are good on the bottom pair, but they haven't shown anything like what McAvoy did. In fact, Sandin has shown the opposite in the playoffs by getting outworked multiple times on the boards against Montreal.

I don't agree with adding random depth defenseman to kick these guys out but this decision is not the same as keeping McAvoy on a playoff roster.

 

[Maplebeasts]

It's a tough comparison for Liljegren and Sandin.

McAvoy was the 8th defenseman on their depth chart as a rookie. He only came in because of injuries or he wasn't getting a sniff that year.

The next season he was on a 40-point pace as a top-pairing defenseman against tough competition. He fully earned his spot on the playoff roster.

Lily and Sandin are good on the bottom pair, but they haven't shown anything like what McAvoy did. In fact, Sandin has shown the opposite in the playoffs by getting outworked multiple times on the boards against Montreal.

Liljegren over his last 14 games is scoring at a 47 point pace without powerplay time, has a 59.5 gf% and controls 57.2% of the expected goals when he's on the ice at 5 on 5. He places first in the former and second in the latter on the team for defensemen. Forget about whether or not he should play in the playoffs. The focus should be on how Keefe somehow hasn't promoted him to a permanent top 4 spot already.

 

[stickty111]

It's a tough comparison for Liljegren and Sandin.

McAvoy was the 8th defenseman on their depth chart as a rookie. He only came in because of injuries or he wasn't getting a sniff that year.

The next season he was on a 40-point pace as a top-pairing defenseman against tough competition. He fully earned his spot on the playoff roster.

Lily and Sandin are good on the bottom pair, but they haven't shown anything like what McAvoy did. In fact, Sandin has shown the opposite in the playoffs by getting outworked multiple times on the boards against Montreal.

I don't agree with adding random depth defenseman to kick these guys out but this decision is not the same as keeping McAvoy on a playoff roster.

Thats fine, but lack of physicality used against Liljegren and Sandin is one Charlie had, yet Bruins had no issue playing him injuries or not. He earned his place but Bruins didn't know that at the time. It's a cop out argument for using against Lilly and Sandin. Not singling you out here BTW.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I dont see what others see in kerfoot

the majority of his ice time is with tavares and nylander arguably a number 1 center and number 1 right wing on most teams. He plays against inferior players and dmen because the matthews line is up against the best of our opponents players. In spite of all the perks and opponents skill set he has a measly 7 goals. For 7 goal’s and 3,5 in cap we should have a much better left-wing in our top 6.
He is handed everything on a silver platter yet cant produce, would be one of my first subtractions.

Don't worry when they decide to stop being in denial and take a look at our ES goals compared to the other playoff teams, they'll see how important it is to get someone else there. If one of the teams ahead of us in ES goals face us in the playoffs and puts together a hot PK, we're in trouble.

The counter will be Kerfoots ES assists. Who cares? Increase the teams ES goals and you increase the ES assists as well so we're missing nothing.

 

[meefer]

You are GM of the year if you can convince Anaheim that Kerfoot is the scoring push they need to make the playoffs.

Per Daily Face-off for Anaheim:

1st LW: Adam Henrique, 28g/17p .6p/g including time on PP
2nd LW: Sonny Milano, 36g/25p. .7p/g including time on PP
3rd LW: Derek Grant, 41g/12p .3p/g
4th LW: Nicolas Deslauriers, 46g/6p .13p/g
Maxime Comtois, 28g/6p .21p/g

Alex Kerfoot: 46g/32p .7p/g with no PP time to speak of to up his totals. He would be an upgrade on Jakob Silverberg who is playing LW on 2nd PP with 3g/12A in 43 games (.37p/g) for A. Kerfoot's abilities on PK would help too, though to be fair A. has a good PK. Further, Rakell is UFA after this year, Milano is an RFA, Deslauriers is UFA - and likely gone - Steel and Lundstrom are both RFAs, and by getting Grant back to RW, his natural side, drops Buddy Robinson and his 7 points in 43 games (career) from the line-up...Kerfoot may not be the threat they'd most desire, but he does have value and is signed for next year.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Per Daily Face-off for Anaheim:

1st LW: Adam Henrique, 28g/17p .6p/g including time on PP
2nd LW: Sonny Milano, 36g/25p. .7p/g including time on PP
3rd LW: Derek Grant, 41g/12p .3p/g
4th LW: Nicolas Deslauriers, 46g/6p .13p/g
Maxime Comtois, 28g/6p .21p/g

Alex Kerfoot: 46g/32p .7p/g with no PP time to speak of to up his totals. He would be an upgrade on Jakob Silverberg who is playing LW on 2nd PP with 3g/12A in 43 games (.37p/g) for A. Kerfoot's abilities on PK would help too, though to be fair A. has a good PK. Further, Rakell is UFA after this year, Milano is an RFA, Deslauriers is UFA - and likely gone - Steel and Lundstrom are both RFAs, and by getting Grant back to RW, his natural side, drops Buddy Robinson and his 7 points in 43 games (career) from the line-up...Kerfoot may not be the threat they'd most desire, but he does have value and is signed for next year.

hmmm maybe I don't think Ducks have the line mates for Kerfoot to replicate his current assist total though. I was going to suggest you should sell his PK skills but then I checked their PK and it's already on par with ours.

 

[LeafChief]

Do they actually plan on keeping Liljegren in the AHL for 14 days (that's the amount of time it will take to accrue enough cap space to have both him and Brooks on the NHL roster)?

I'd hope something is happening with Ritchie over the next few days.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Don't worry when they decide to stop being in denial and take a look at our ES goals compared to the other playoff teams, they'll see how important it is to get someone else there. If one of the teams ahead of us in ES goals face us in the playoffs and puts together a hot PK, we're in trouble.

The counter will be Kerfoots ES assists. Who cares? Increase the teams ES goals and you increase the ES assists as well so we're missing nothing.

so the problem with the team is ES scoring, and the solution is to trade a guy that's top 3 in ES points? You have to realize that most other people won't see any logic to that

 

[LeafChief]

so the problem with the team is ES scoring, and the solution is to trade a guy that's top 3 in ES points? You have to realize that most other people won't see any logic to that

You don't need to apply logic if you're snarky, though.

 

[Nylanderthal]

That was more tongue in cheek to point out just how little Kerfoot scores in his top 6 role. But since we're on the topic, I think Brooks can beat Kerfoots current pace if he started the year a full time 4th liner beside Spezza and played the same amount of games.

It's not like Kerfoot made it a difficult task or anything, which is the main point. The guy has 7 goals as a top 6 winger on the Leafs. A team whose top 4 can make you a star over night. He needs to get out of there.

You say 7 goals as if he doesn’t have over triple the assists and is on pace for nearly 60pt season playing 0 PP time.
He’s among our leaders in 5v5 scoring and definitely not a problem worth addressing heading into the playoffs.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

so the problem with the team is ES scoring, and the solution is to trade a guy that's top 3 in ES points? You have to realize that most other people won't see any logic to that

Increase in even strength goals will naturally produce more assists that also apply to ES points. I included that in there in plain sight because I'm aware of Kerfoots ES assists.

I also think those ES assists can be replicated due to his line mates, so will support the ES points only going up.

Feel free to show why I would be wrong. Stating Kerfoots ES assists doesn't counter anything I said.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

You say 7 goals as if he doesn’t have over triple the assists and is on pace for nearly 60pt season playing 0 PP time.
He’s among our leaders in 5v5 scoring and definitely not a problem worth addressing heading into the playoffs.

Again, Kerfoots current ES assists are irrelevant if the total ES goals goes up ( I mean rate of course, obviously it will go up). It's pretty simple. We're going to prioritize one players ES assists over the overall ES goals?

 

[Nylanderthal]

Increase in even strength goals will naturally produce more assists that also apply to ES points. I included that in there in plain sight because I'm aware of Kerfoots ES assists.

I also think those ES assists can be replicated due to his line mates, so will support the ES points only going up.

Feel free to show why I would be wrong. Stating Kerfoots ES assists doesn't counter anything I said.

He plays a complimentary role on a line with two of our best shooters, it’s not his job to score. It’s his job to get in on the forecheck, turn pucks over and create chances for his highly skilled linemates.
Then other nights his job is to play a shut down role on a line that gets matched up against top end opponents and unfavourable zone starts.
He’s also one of the best playoff performers we have

 

[BertCorbeau]

You say 7 goals as if he doesn’t have over triple the assists and is on pace for nearly 60pt season playing 0 PP time.
He’s among our leaders in 5v5 scoring and definitely not a problem worth addressing heading into the playoffs.

While I'm not that big of a Kerfoot fan I will say he's had his best regular season so far (though has dipped lately) but has also been one of the best playoff performers on the team.

If anything the idea to improve ES scoring would be to get more out of the third and fourth lines.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

He plays a complimentary role on a line with two of our best shooters, it’s not his job to score. It’s his job to get in on the forecheck, turn pucks over and create chances for his highly skilled linemates.
Then other nights his job is to play a shut down role on a line that gets matched up against top end opponents and unfavourable zone starts.
He’s also one of the best playoff performers we have

We have two elite players on our second line. The most optimal route for our ES goals problem is another winger there that can finish and compliment them with more offensive awareness.

I agree with everything you're saying but it's blocking a very prime spot that can produce significantly more goals for us.

Kerfoot is still here on the 3rd line too. If you guys are so confident in his ES points, then the 3rd line will see a boost too.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

While I'm not that big of a Kerfoot fan I will say he's had his best regular season so far (though has dipped lately) but has also been one of the best playoff performers on the team.

If anything the idea to improve ES scoring would be to get more out of the third and fourth lines.

The gap is too large compared to our rivals. That's the problem. It has to be 2LW beside Jt and Nylander

7 goals there guys....come on.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The gap is too large compared to our rivals. That's the problem. It has to be 2LW beside Jt and Nylander

7 goals there guys....come on.

You're really hellbent on the 7 goals without seeing the bigger picture.

I'm not saying there couldn't be an upgrade. Evidence points to an upgrade being marginal. JT and Nylander in the top 80 for ES goals (with 11). Kerfoot is top 25 in ES assists. He gets zero PP time.

So an upgrade gets, what, an additional 4 goals? Not exactly groundbreaking numbers.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

You don't need to apply logic if you're snarky, though.

Like I said, feel free to show me why I'm wrong. How does Kerfoots current ES points demonstrate an improvement is coming in ES goals? He's already peaking.

If you can't come up with anything maybe you should consider stop acting like I'm crazy for calling out a top 6 winger with 7 goals on a team behind in ES goals compared to their rivals

 

[LeafChief]

Like I said, feel free to show me why I'm wrong. How does Kerfoots current ES points demonstrate an improvement is coming in ES goals? He's already peaking.

If you can't come up with anything maybe you should consider stop acting like I'm crazy for calling out a top 6 winger with 7 goals on a team behind in ES goals compared to their rivals

I've got to be honest, I'm far less emotional than you on this. I don't care.

If they trade Kerfoot, I won't lose any sleep. If they keep him, good enough for me. As long as they make the team better I'm happy. We all want the same thing.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I've got to be honest, I'm far less emotional than you on this. I don't care.

If they trade Kerfoot, I won't lose any sleep. If they keep him, good enough for me. As long as they make the team better I'm happy. We all want the same thing.

Classy on the instigating then.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

You're really hellbent on the 7 goals without seeing the bigger picture.

I'm not saying there couldn't be an upgrade. Evidence points to an upgrade being marginal. JT and Nylander in the top 80 for ES goals (with 11). Kerfoot is top 25 in ES assists. He gets zero PP time.

So an upgrade gets, what, an additional 4 goals? Not exactly groundbreaking numbers.

I dunno, we'll agree to disagree. You guys think I'm nuts, I think you guys are nuts lol, call truce there and call it a night.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I am comfortable with our forward group. I don't think it makes sense to squander significant assets for a top 6 forward.

I think the focus should be on bolstering the blueline.