GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VII

[WTFMAN99]

So what's happening with Mennel? couldn't he be an option for injury or number 6? or as a trade piece?

Don't think he's a factor in any plans.

 

[Pierre Engvall]

Kerfoot and Liljegren for Mayfield OR Roy.
Robertson and Ritchie for Gurianov.

Stanley Cup

 

[kb]

Kerfoot and Liljegren for Mayfield OR Roy.
Robertson and Ritchie for Gurianov.

Stanley Cup

This is brutal.

 

[McSnypsky]

Don't think he's a factor in any plans.

That sucks had hoped he might emerge as something

 

[ER89]

This is brutal.

people dont get that mayfield is a shinier holl....

 

[The Podium]

Leafs need 4 players, 2 D and 2 forwards

They need 2 d that can play defence first, big bodies that can slot in behind Muz but ahead of Sandin. If you go into the playoffs with Holl and Lilygren in the lineup, kiss the cup good bye.

Two forwards that can play a heavy game, play in the crease (to take away the eyes of the opposing goalie), to play heavy in their own, end forwards that create space for the big 4.

The trouble becomes the cap and the fact Dubas emptied the cupboards bare last year. We don't have a lot of cap space and we don have a lot of futures to deal. If a team was willing to take Dermott, Ritchie and Holl as part of a package, that makes picking up assets at the TDL much easier.

from NYI Clutterbuck (RW) /Chara (LD)

Clutterbuck Scouting report
The feisty forward will hit anything in an opposite-colored jersey, though he does it smartly and picks up comparatively few penalties. Owns plenty of drive and determination that help him make life miserable for opposing defensemen when he gets in on the forecheck. Has grown into an effective penalty killer. He is not a big scorer but has a sharp, accurate wrist shot that is a decent weapon.

Chara scouting report
"Big Z" still has the size (6'9"), strength and enormous reach to be a shutdown defenseman, but his speed and mobility continue to decline after more than 20 seasons in the NHL. He plays with enthusiasm and grit, still has a booming shot, is a leader in the locker room and can be a mentor to younger teammates. Has great difficulty dealing with quick forwards, since he is no longer nimble. He will go down as one of the all-time great defensemen in the National Hockey League.


from Anaheim Getzlaf ( C ) & Manson ( RD )

Getzlaf Scouting Report
His playmaking is first-rate, and he also owns a big shot. A complete package, he plays a well-rounded game. Can play the point on power plays. Powerful, he uses his size effectively down the middle. Is not afraid to play a physical brand of hockey. He is a true leader in the NHL. Has become inconsistent in terms of production over time. Also has a tendency to take a bad penalty now and then. Will make poor decisions on the ice when he extends his shifts too much, or when he sees too much playing time. Tends to pass up quality shots now and then.

Manson Scouting Report
Has excellent size and is fairly physical along the blueline. Excels mostly in defensive situations and owns some shutdown ability. Usually plays with poise in the NHL. His offensive numbers, even at lower levels, were never his strength. While he can play a physical game, he is not the intimidating presence his father Dave was.

Lmao, the fact you think Chara would be a good add is just…. Lmao

 

[Morgs]

The Liljegren slander the last few pages is...

Almost as bad as that guy on the main boards who thinks Seattle could get Nylander++ for Oleksiak and McCann (and Kraken fans don't think they'd do it LOL).

 

[stickty111]

Lmao, the fact you think Chara would be a good add is just…. Lmao

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It's hilarious. Even Isles fans are saying he literally isn't good anymore.

 

[Pierre Engvall]

The Liljegren slander the last few pages is...

Almost as bad as that guy on the main boards who thinks Seattle could get Nylander++ for Oleksiak and McCann (and Kraken fans don't think they'd do it LOL).

Tim as of right now is not built for the playoffs. Could he be one day? Sure. However right now, he simply does not handle physicality well. It would be best if he sees very little, if any playoff time. And if that happens, his trade value also likely takes a dip. 23 year old fringe NHLers are not hard to come by. Better to trade him now while he still has some decent value for an upgrade

 

[Morgs]

Tim as of right now is not built for the playoffs. Could he be one day? Sure. However right now, he simply does not handle physicality well. It would be best if he sees very little, if any playoff time. And if that happens, his trade value also likely takes a dip. 23 year old fringe NHLers are not hard to come by. Better to trade him now while he still has some decent value for an upgrade

Just.... shh...

 

[Havoc]

Tim as of right now is not built for the playoffs. Could he be one day? Sure. However right now, he simply does not handle physicality well. It would be best if he sees very little, if any playoff time. And if that happens, his trade value also likely takes a dip. 23 year old fringe NHLers are not hard to come by. Better to trade him now while he still has some decent value for an upgrade

Those 7 goals you got there making you a little too adventurous now Pierre.

 

[meefer]

Playing GM for 4 teams for the heck of it.

To Philly: Kerfoot, Ritchie, Dermott, 1st, Abramov
To Leafs: Giroux (50%), Braun, 5th

To Anaheim: Kerfoot
To Philly: 2nd

To Islanders: Mikheyev, Holl, Amirov
To Leafs: Mayfield, 3rd

Philly loses: Giroux, Braun (both UFAs), 5th
Philly gains: Ritchie, Dermott, 1st, 2nd, Abramov

Anaheim loses: 2nd
Anaheim gains: Kerfoot (who becomes their top scoring LW helping them for a push to the playoffs)

Toronto loses: Kerfoot, Ritchie, Holl, Dermott, Abramov, Amirov, 1st
Toronto gains: Giroux, Braun, Mayfield, 3rd, 5th, 3.65M in Cap Space and a chance for another pick/player to help facilitate a trade for another team.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Giroux Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kamph Kase
Robertson/Clifford Brooks Spezza/Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Mayfield/Liljegren/Braun
Sandin Liljegren/Braun/Mayfield

 

[Nylanderthal]

You’d have to think (or hope at least) that if Dubas went to 2.5 there must have been other teams willing to go to that.

He 100% was not signed to that contract in a vacuum. He’s not Jeff Finger

 

[Morgs]

I don't get why people are obsessed with Mayfield. I'm assuming he's physical?

His numbers track relatively similar to Holl, except [much] worse offensively. Seems like grass greener, I like watching hitz type of acquisition that doesn't remotely move the needle. Especially at the outrageous cost people have on a no offense #4 defenseman.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I don't get why people are obsessed with Mayfield. I'm assuming he's physical?

His numbers track relatively similar to Holl, except [much] worse offensively. Seems like grass greener, I like watching hitz type of acquisition that doesn't remotely move the needle. Especially at the outrageous cost people have on a no offense #4 defenseman.

He's physical (his hits hurt), he fights and pretty competent defensively. He was with Leddy on the Isles for their last 2 final 4 appearances.

He is absolutely better than Holl, I think a lot of people will have a hard time with that but it's true.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Playing GM for 4 teams for the heck of it.

To Philly: Kerfoot, Ritchie, Dermott, 1st, Abramov
To Leafs: Giroux (50%), Braun, 5th

To Anaheim: Kerfoot
To Philly: 2nd

To Islanders: Mikheyev, Holl, Amirov
To Leafs: Mayfield, 3rd

Philly loses: Giroux, Braun (both UFAs), 5th
Philly gains: Ritchie, Dermott, 1st, 2nd, Abramov

Anaheim loses: 2nd
Anaheim gains: Kerfoot (who becomes their top scoring LW helping them for a push to the playoffs)

Toronto loses: Kerfoot, Ritchie, Holl, Dermott, Abramov, Amirov, 1st
Toronto gains: Giroux, Braun, Mayfield, 3rd, 5th, 3.65M in Cap Space and a chance for another pick/player to help facilitate a trade for another team.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Giroux Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kamph Kase
Robertson/Clifford Brooks Spezza/Simmonds

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Mayfield/Liljegren/Braun
Sandin Liljegren/Braun/Mayfield

You are GM of the year if you can convince Anaheim that Kerfoot is the scoring push they need to make the playoffs.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I don't get why people are obsessed with Mayfield. I'm assuming he's physical?

His numbers track relatively similar to Holl, except [much] worse offensively. Seems like grass greener, I like watching hitz type of acquisition that doesn't remotely move the needle. Especially at the outrageous cost people have on a no offense #4 defenseman.

Whether people like it or not, the team's game relies a lot on solid puck movement and some mobility from the back end. It's one reason why Brodie's been such a great pickup because even though he doesn't being much offense, he plays excellent defense that isn't the "hits" style. Rather it relies on good gap control, positioning, and awareness. He is also great in transition and can move the puck.

Need to be wary of picking up another Polak type that throws grenade's down the ice. It's not like the PK is suffering from a lack of net clearing d-men.

If this team could pick up another Brodie for the top 4, they'd be set.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Whether people like it or not, the team's game relies a lot on solid puck movement and some mobility from the back end. It's one reason why Brodie's been such a great pickup because even though he doesn't being much offense, he plays excellent defense that isn't the "hits" style. Rather it relies on good gap control, positioning, and awareness. He is also great in transition and can move the puck.

Need to be wary of picking up another Polak type that throws grenade's down the ice. It's not like the PK is suffering from a lack of net clearing d-men.

If this team could pick up another Brodie for the top 4, they'd be set.

I don't disagree on anything you're saying neccessarly but we've seen in the playoffs that our stars get abused in front of the net or can't even get to it. Our net? Easy to be there, no price to be paid and it's just called differently, we do need to be more physically punishing to play against.

5 1st round series in a row has to tell us that pure finesse etc isn't the only way to go here. Mayfield has a decent break out pass too, he's not Polak.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I don't disagree on anything you're saying neccessarly but we've seen in the playoffs that our stars get abused in front of the net or can't even get to it. Our net? Easy to be there, no price to be paid and it's just called differently, we do need to be more physically punishing to play against.

5 1st round series in a row has to tell us that pure finesse etc isn't the only way to go here. Mayfield has a decent break out pass too, he's not Polak.

I'm not saying Mayfield can't move the puck .. I think we just need to be weary about the abilities of these types of d-man. Puck movement and mobility should be big factors.

 

[Morgs]

He's physical (his hits hurt), he fights and pretty competent defensively. He was with Leddy on the Isles for their last 2 final 4 appearances.

He is absolutely better than Holl, I think a lot of people will have a hard time with that but it's true.

Okay.. so it boils down to physicality, which I don't get, but whatever.

The thing about Mayfield is he hasn't graded elite defensively since the 2018-19 season. The Isles are having a down year, but Mayfield is also having his worst season defensively (by a lot) and 2nd worst season offensively in the last 4 years. For a guy thats a black hole offensively, its really not pretty. Not to mention the defense has been a downward trend since his elite 2018-19 season.

I hate Holl. I've wanted him off this team for a while now, but you can't convince me Mayfield is better when he's been declining steadily and the offense is a black hole. We've seen what guys with no puck skills can do in our system and it's really not pretty.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Okay.. so it boils down to physicality, which I don't get, but whatever.

The thing about Mayfield is he hasn't graded elite defensively since the 2018-19 season. The Isles are having a down year, but Mayfield is also having his worst season defensively (by a lot) and 2nd worst season offensively in the last 4 years. For a guy thats a black hole offensively, its really not pretty. Not to mention the defense has been a downward trend since his elite 2018-19 season.

I hate Holl. I've wanted him off this team for a while now, but you can't convince me Mayfield is better when he's been declining steadily and the offense is a black hole. We've seen what guys with no puck skills can do in our system and it's really not pretty.

Does Mayfield play with Pulock typically? Pulock has missed half of the season, so that could be a factor. Not sure how the pairings work there. Just some thoughts off of the top of my head.

If that is affecting it, perhaps you could be buying low on Mayfield in the right situation.

I mean it would be a nice way to break up the pairings and provide some insulation for Sandin and Liljegren and help even distribute minutes on the second and third pair:

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Mayfield
Dermott

 

[BertCorbeau]

Oh never mind, it was the Pelech-Pulock pairing that I was thinking of.

 

[Morgs]

Does Mayfield play with Pulock typically? Pulock has missed half of the season, so that could be a factor. Not sure how the pairings work there. Just some thoughts off of the top of my head.

If that is affecting it, perhaps you could be buying low on Mayfield in the right situation.

I mean it would be a nice way to break up the pairings and provide some insulation for Sandin and Liljegren and help even distribute minutes on the second and third pair:

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Mayfield
Dermott

It's typically Pelech-Pulock. I'm pretty sure it was mostly Leddy-Mayfield.

I also don't think he'd be a "buy-low" type of guy. Not to mention it's hard to want to pay assets for a declining player that is going to be 30 at the beginning of next year. He's a fine player based on the numbers, a solid, no offense #4 in the Adam Larsson-type of mold, which has value. I just mostly don't get why people desire these types of players until I hear about their physicality. Still the prices people on this website or what fans of the teams want is insane to me.

 

[stickty111]

Tim as of right now is not built for the playoffs. Could he be one day? Sure. However right now, he simply does not handle physicality well. It would be best if he sees very little, if any playoff time. And if that happens, his trade value also likely takes a dip. 23 year old fringe NHLers are not hard to come by. Better to trade him now while he still has some decent value for an upgrade

Imagine if the Bruins used that logic against Charlie McAvoy.

 

[Maplebeasts]

If you upgrade on any defenseman on this team it's Holl and not Liljegren. I don't understand how anyone can watch the games, look at the numbers and determine that Liljegren can't be on a third pairing of a cup winning team right now. The only way to get your young players playoff experience is to actually play them in the playoffs.