GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[ACC1224]

Well the main players are the same.

I don’t think anyone is looking to replace them.

 

[ER89]

I don’t think anyone is looking to replace them.

No but you should be looking to help them offensively.

 

[stickty111]

 

[WTFMAN99]

*Hypothetical*

If the Leafs do not enjoy success in the post-season, I think we can all agree changes would be made.

Tavares holds all the cards but are there landing spots for him? Boston if Bergeron retires or wants a bit of a reduced role or Calgary (no real 1C there), Dallas, Minnesota, St.Louis (would involve some big $$ moving around).

Tavares could kill the conversation immediately but I would think 3 disappointing playoff exits in a row wouldn't be what either party envisioned when he signed in Toronto.

Toronto also needs to push back on the players and can't promise not to move anyone when zero success is the story.

 

[4thline]

Random out of season guess- we see Subban pull a Spezza and sign for ~1m this off-season.

And more on-season- wouldn't be surprised at him being our deadline add. With a 6m dollar signing bonus paid out 50% retention from both the Devils and Coyotes would be super cheap in real dollars

 

[LeafChief]

Random out of season guess- we see Subban pull a Spezza and sign for ~1m less this off-season.

And more on-season- wouldn't be surprised at him being our deadline add. With a 6m dollar signing bonus paid out 50% retention from both the Devils and Coyotes would be super cheap in real dollars

I'd be very surprised if he was our deadline add considering the cost to buy down that AAV but I would not be shocked to see him with the Leafs in the off-season as a UFA.

 

[4thline]

I'd be very surprised if he was our deadline add considering the cost to buy down that AAV but I would not be shocked to see him with the Leafs in the off-season as a UFA.

The buy down cost would be interesting. Done today it would cost the Devils 425k in real dollars to retain 50%. Given that pretty much all playoff teams are capped out, you could argue that that little money is just the cost of facilitating the deal, or worth a late pick at most.
Then a hypothetical 3rd team is eating 212 k. What's that worth, another late pick?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Subban seems pointless. There isn’t a need since the PP and he isn’t good defensively.

 

[ACC1224]

Subban seems pointless. There isn’t a need since the PP and he isn’t good defensively.

Subban, Schenn, Chara.
Put me down as a 'No' for any of those.

 

[4thline]

Subban seems pointless. There isn’t a need since the PP and he isn’t good defensively.

That's kind of a dated view. He isn't an all-offensive liability anymore, just like he isn't a top pair guy any more. Pretty much a vanilla two-way 4-5 D

 

[zeke]

*Hypothetical*

If the Leafs do not enjoy success in the post-season, I think we can all agree changes would be made.

I don't agree.

 

[jaric1862]

Looking at the numbers here, the Leafs can add a 2.7 million dollar cap hit at the deadline without subtracting from their current roster.

They'll be able to afford Mayfield, Manson @ 50%, Chiarot @ 50%.

 

[LeafChief]

Looks like the KHL is going to skip the rest of their regular season and go straight to playoffs. I wonder what that means for someone like Amirov. I wonder if we see him in NA sooner because of that.

I also wonder what that means for someone like Kuzmenko. Would he be able to sign with a team and play NHL playoffs this year?

 

[Magic Man]

Random out of season guess- we see Subban pull a Spezza and sign for ~1m this off-season.

And more on-season- wouldn't be surprised at him being our deadline add. With a 6m dollar signing bonus paid out 50% retention from both the Devils and Coyotes would be super cheap in real dollars

I could see him coming here for a year at a reduced price. He made some good coin on his last deal and he may not get too many more opportunities to come back here and play.

That would be a good replacement for a Dermott or Holl, depending on cost. He would give the defense an edge physically.

 

[SprDaVE]

Random out of season guess- we see Subban pull a Spezza and sign for ~1m this off-season.

And more on-season- wouldn't be surprised at him being our deadline add. With a 6m dollar signing bonus paid out 50% retention from both the Devils and Coyotes would be super cheap in real dollars

Subban seems pointless. There isn’t a need since the PP and he isn’t good defensively.

I can see it for next season. Spezza really evolved his role and his game. I think Subban could as well. It doesn't have to be about the PP or even about being great defensively. I think Subban is still efficient, he's just nowhere near a 9M defenseman. He's only going to be 33 years old and probably has plenty in the tank. He can be very dynamic, physical and intense. He loves the media spotlight and I think playing for his hometown will rejuvenate him.

It's the kind of low risk medium reward that could really help us gain a valuable player and veteran. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

 

[Ashdown2]

Subban, Schenn, Chara.
Put me down as a 'No' for any of those.

i dont know why anyone would be against a sub 1mil contract that is 100% buriable ?
Any of these guys would be a better insurance policy than biego and dalstrom as the 7th or 8th guy

 

[glue]

Can someone in the know explain to me what the challenges might be for the leafs to sign Ho-Sang-cap wise, waivers etc. after Olympics

 

[WTFMAN99]

Can someone in the know explain to me what the challenges might be for the leafs to sign Ho-Sang-cap wise, waivers etc. after Olympics

Cap space and roster room. We don't have a full roster and we're very close to the cap ceiling.

Who would you take out of the line up for him? If he doesn't work out or isn't going to play, risk of getting claimed off waivers.

 

[The Podium]

Can someone in the know explain to me what the challenges might be for the leafs to sign Ho-Sang-cap wise, waivers etc. after Olympics

None whatsoever. Only problem is, he’d have to be signed by an NHL contract by the TDL to play in the playoffs, however, whether or not they have the cap space remains to be seen.

 

[glue]

Cap space and roster room. We don't have a full roster and we're very close to the cap ceiling.

Who would you take out of the line up for him? If he doesn't work out or isn't going to play, risk of getting claimed off waivers.

Nick Ritchie if that was possible

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nick Ritchie if that was possible

He's already in the AHL

We're running the bare minimum 12 forwards and 7 D

 

[glue]

He's already in the AHL

We're running the bare minimum 12 forwards and 7 D

I see..but wouldn’t trading Ritchie with no cap retention create more space?plus we will accumulate more cap by deadline, Again not suggesting it’s easy, just whether it’s a possibility. If that happens, I would sub Ho-sang with Wayne Simmonds from time to time or if there are injuries, which is inevitable

 

[WTFMAN99]

I see..but wouldn’t trading Ritchie with no cap retention create more space?plus we will accumulate more cap by deadline, Again not suggesting it’s easy, just whether it’s a possibility. If that happens, I would sub Ho-sang with Wayne Simmonds from time to time or if there are injuries, which is inevitable

If you could move Ritchie without taking anything back, yea it is feasible.

I think the first consideration for the cap space will be to address short comings.

Defense likely needs to be bolstered and wouldn't be opposed to see a 2-way LW type added to the top 6.

 

[SprDaVE]

Can someone in the know explain to me what the challenges might be for the leafs to sign Ho-Sang-cap wise, waivers etc. after Olympics

No waivers required unless they sign him and send him to the AHL.

As far as the cap goes, the Leafs don't have the cap space to add another player without removing another.

 

[Havoc]

With Marner and Matthews both being selke worthy players, I'd look into giving them Ho-Sang on LW and slide Bunting with JT and Nylander. Bunting works better than Kerfoot there because Kerfoot can't finish/tip around the net like Bunting. Ho Sang is better offensively than Bunting so might be able to maintain Buntings pace along side those two beasts. I don't know how Ho Sang will translate that's why I say "might" even though he's better offensively.

I don't think we need to spend heavy assets on the top 6 winger. We have the luxury of "money pucking" it due to our core 4.

Let's pretend it worked. Ho-Sang/money puck dude hit a 20 goal pace there. Bunting kept chugging along with his breakout year. We suddenly get a trade chip in Kerfoot to hit other needs. If we want Laughton, Kerfoot will help there. Flyers want to re-tool, not rebuild and Kerfoot suddenly has amazing trade value with his play this year.

Reading between the lines here I'm a no for JT Miller. Not at that price. That's counterintuitive to taking advantage of our core 4. They don't need a JT Miller.


It's 2022 cap is no longer a stranger, so I leave out the cap implications that clutter all posts. It's implied cap maneuvering is needed for every move at this point.