GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART VI

[LeafSteel]

Lots of people seem to mention Hagel and Murphy, I get why as far as want but why is Chicago trading them? Is it just the "nobody is off limits except Toews/Kane" comment or is there actual reason to believe either are available.

Hagel is 23, scoring at a 25G/50pt pace, with grit, signed for 2 more years at a only 1.5 per, seems like a player a rebuilding team would want to keep.
Murphy just signed an extension that hasn't even kicked in yet

I'm responding to all the trade proposals that shorten my lifespan that have a 1st, Robertson, Topi etc, for crap that doesn't fit our needs and aren't a long-term solution.

A trade for Murphy and Hagel, and I would be prepared to part with significant assets for the reasons you describe above.

 

[fahad203]

Lots of people seem to mention Hagel and Murphy, I get why as far as want but why is Chicago trading them? Is it just the "nobody is off limits except Toews/Kane" comment or is there actual reason to believe either are available.

Hagel is 23, scoring at a 25G/50pt pace, with grit, signed for 2 more years at a only 1.5 per, seems like a player a rebuilding team would want to keep.
Murphy just signed an extension that hasn't even kicked in yet

Yeah same. Why would Chicago trade Hagel? makes no sense to me.
Nobody in that D list really impresses me. I don't understand the love affair with Manson. He's not physical as people think, nor is he offensive


You are better of getting Chiariot if you want some sandpaper. I also think you are better off calling Kraken and see what Soucer would cost
Kraken could use draft picks and some young players. They have some D that can give us a boost

Another player I wouldn't mind having as a depth is Justin Braun. SOme decent size and a right handed shot

 

[X66]

I'm team forward over Dman.

If the ducks are moving on from Rakell I'd happily swoop in on that.

 

[VanW27]

I'm responding to all the trade proposals that shorten my lifespan that have a 1st, Robertson, Topi etc, for crap that doesn't fit our needs and aren't a long-term solution.

A trade for Murphy and Hagel, and I would be prepared to part with significant assets for the reasons you describe above.

Fair enough, I completely agree with the sentiment. I have no interest in trading 1st and/or top prospects for a rental. I'd much rather up the offer to get a longterm piece - neither Murphy or Hagel seem likely to be available though. I would suspect it would take a hockey trade to get either out of Chicago, not a deadline picks/prospects kind of deal.

 

[thusk]

Defence:
Manson
DeMelo
Connor Murphy
Mayfield
DeHaan

Forwards:
JT Miller
Fiala
Hagel

All of them represent decent upgrades. A package with Chicago for Murphy and Hagel is a 1st round pick + that is finally well spent and makes us better.

I prefer manson + rakell ( more complete player than hagel). I dont think the price will be thwt high for both maybe something like 1st abruzzese and ritchie for both at 50% should be enough

 

[Amadeus]

Focus should be on D and D only. We're pretty set at F.

 

[X66]

Focus should be on D and D only. We're pretty set at F.

I'm the opposite.

Last few series it's the forwards not scoring that killed us.

This year again we're playing very good defensively, but offensively our xGF isn't matching our actual goal totals.

I think a top talent to play on the Tavares line should be prioritized, because that line is really struggling lately.

 

[TML1967]

I think Hagel *could* be moved if

• they are doing an actual rebuild
• Think some / a good portion of his value goes away if he doesn't have skilled players around him (aka they move other guys as well)
• They think the value of a good pick / prospect helps them more in line with when their next competitive window will open
• They think when Tyler Johnson comes back he will bump Hagel to 3rd line, and he will not be as 'valued'
• They see their top 6 wings moving forward as some combination of Kane, Johnson, Debrincat, Kubalik, Strome, Dach, Kurashev,. They may see Hagel as a way to get a C upgrade or futures that could become one.
• **I dont believe all these things, just things Chicago could believe to make moving him make sense*

Would I want to move him? No! But you rarely get a good player for a bad player. They could likely get a player who will have a bigger impact overall out of a package for him over his career when they want to be winning vs him riding out this contract during their down years.

 

[thusk]

I dont know why people are so high in hagel... where he will play if toronto trade for him in the 4th line? I dont see him play over bunting or kerfoot on the top 6, hes not enough good defensivly to play on the third shutdown line... so why?!?!

For murphy, toronto just dont have 4.4M for him after this season so thats make no sense at all.

 

[ACC1224]

Focus should be on D and D only. We're pretty set at F.

This for me. There is no where up front to upgrade, maybe add a 13th forward in case of injury.
A 2nd pair defenseman is a must get.

 

[ER89]

This for me. There is no where up front to upgrade, maybe add a 13th forward in case of injury.
A 2nd pair defenseman is a must get.

But previous runs have shown our offense has been a problem. Do you think we will get over that hump this time? If so, then yeah defense makes sense.

 

[Magic Man]

I dont know why people are so high in hagel... where he will play if toronto trade for him in the 4th line? I dont see him play over bunting or kerfoot on the top 6, hes not enough good defensivly to play on the third shutdown line... so why?!?!

For murphy, toronto just dont have 4.4M for him after this season so thats make no sense at all.

Hagel has another two years after this one locked in at 1.5M. So, with him you would get 3 runs at a cup at a discount rate. He would be another Bunting style rat to run in the top six with the star forwards.

This year he may have trouble finding his way up the lineup with a formed checking line and a top-6 that is in fine form, without injury making way for him. But, he'd probably slot in on the 4th line for this run and then replace Kerfoot next year as he goes out to make cap room.

The names I like best on that list are Mayfield and Hagel if they make moves for players with term like has been suggested. You could fit in Mayfield for 1.45M with 1.5M going out in Dermott. Which leaves room to preserve Holl. Then, you'd have a 6'5 dman and a 6'4 dman with similar skill levels on that backend for this run and next.

 

[ToneDog]

But previous runs have shown our offense has been a problem. Do you think we will get over that hump this time? If so, then yeah defense makes sense.

If this core can't get it done another year, it tells me they are the problem and adding another scorer probably doesn't change things. IMO if we can limit the number of goals we give up, it will be easier for our core to get it done.

 

[TML1967]

This for me. There is no where up front to upgrade, maybe add a 13th forward in case of injury.
A 2nd pair defenseman is a must get.

I know it isnt a ton of minutes a game, but the 4th line still scares me.
We are about to start a very condensed schedule and I really don't want to see what Spezza and Simmonds look like playing 3 or 4 games a week for a month.

If Arizona is really selling everything not bolted down, I would love to take a run at a John Larsson type.
Can play all 3 forward positions, normally a C, really good defensively, skates well. Has had a surprisingly good season offensively although he is playing above his normal abilities offensively I think.

Hes the kind of guy I would put with Engval and one of Spezza/Simmonds every game and rest the old guys. He would make the 4th line faster and better defensively.
If Kampf gets hurt, he can play a similar type game to him.

Alternatively you could go for a bigger 'boom' offensive guy and go after a Jack Roslovic for the 3C spot. They have struggled and he has not looked great this year. When hes on, he is a 50+ point guy who is passable in the top 6 if hes being carried, or a really good 3rd liner. This would also bump Kampf down to the 4th line, creating a Engval/Kamf-Simmonds/Spezza line.

Could also add Nic Paul if you want a guy who plays more physical, but he is less proven than Larsson over time defensively, but he is still a good defensive C who is on an expiring contract.

As for D, I am coming around more and more on Luke Schenn. I watched their last few games and I dont know why but he just looks dependable. He isnt throwing wild hits and taking himself out of position like he did when he was younger, he seems to have really calmed his game down and is just playing a grinding and smart positioned game. Perfect guy to be a #7 instead of a guy like Dermott.

Basically, I want to see someone come in who either bumps Kampf down to the 4th line to give us more overall speed in the bottom 6, or plays their themselves.

I am worried about our C depth, as I dont like Kerfoot as the 3C at all and if Engval gets put in as the 3C incase of injury, I dont like our next batch of F's.

 

[ACC1224]

But previous runs have shown our offense has been a problem. Do you think we will get over that hump this time? If so, then yeah defense makes sense.

I don't see how what happened in the previous years has any bearing on this year.
Looks like they've assembled some pretty good offensive depth. If Holl is run out on the 2nd pair, the team is going no where.

 

[The Podium]

I don't see how what happened in the previous years has any bearing on this year.
Looks like they've assembled some pretty good offensive depth. If Holl is run out on the 2nd pair, the team is going no where.

Holl has preformed reasonably well in top 4 minutes, which is especially surprising considering how poor he started the season.

I too think an upgrade at #4 would be ideal, but I don’t think it’s as much of a weakness as you believe.

 

[ACC1224]

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Holl has preformed reasonably well in top 4 minutes, which is especially surprising considering how poor he started the season.

I too think an upgrade at #4 would be ideal, but I don’t think it’s as much of a weakness as you believe.

Watching him, he moves between bad and ok from game to game(shift to shift) and in a playoff series it's a pretty risky gamble to hope he's plays ok.
I do hope you're right though.

 

[The Podium]

Watching him, he moves between bad and ok from game to game(shift to shift) and in a playoff series it's a pretty risky gamble to hope he's plays ok.
I do hope you're right though.

I mean, defensively he moves between good and ok, his breakouts though he really struggles with.

I think that’s why I’m a bigger fan of his with Sandin rather than Muzzin.

I don’t look at it as an upgrade on Holl, but rather finding a more suitable partner for Muzzin.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I don't see how what happened in the previous years has any bearing on this year.
Looks like they've assembled some pretty good offensive depth. If Holl is run out on the 2nd pair, the team is going no where.

Our 3rd and 4th lines need to outscore the other team's 3rd and 4th lines. Our scoring players in those areas are huge question marks. Spezza is a threat and he was incredible last year. Your same point applies though, last year doesn't have bearing on how he'll do this year. Kase is a threat and needs to stay healthy. Nobody else is really a threat and I think they'll be outplayed by the opponent's bottom 6.

 

[The Podium]

Our 3rd and 4th lines need to outscore the other team's 3rd and 4th lines. Our scoring players in those areas are huge question marks. Spezza is a threat and he was incredible last year. Your same point applies though, last year doesn't have bearing on how he'll do this year. Kase is a threat and needs to stay healthy. Nobody else is really a threat and I think they'll be outplayed by the opponent's bottom 6.

Mikheyev?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Mikheyev?

Has not registered a point in 12 playoff games. Perhaps this is his year, but I'm not entirely confident. I hope so.

 

[thusk]

Hagel has another two years after this one locked in at 1.5M. So, with him you would get 3 runs at a cup at a discount rate. He would be another Bunting style rat to run in the top six with the star forwards.

This year he may have trouble finding his way up the lineup with a formed checking line and a top-6 that is in fine form, without injury making way for him. But, he'd probably slot in on the 4th line for this run and then replace Kerfoot next year as he goes out to make cap room.

The names I like best on that list are Mayfield and Hagel if they make moves for players with term like has been suggested. You could fit in Mayfield for 1.45M with 1.5M going out in Dermott. Which leaves room to preserve Holl. Then, you'd have a 6'5 dman and a 6'4 dman with similar skill levels on that backend for this run and next.

Why should chicago trade hagel

-rebuild...we talk about a 23years old player...
-Salary??? 1.5M its pretty low and rfa
-Not a good player for the team? If hes a kind of bunting. Hes the type of player every team want.

The only reason would be if they overpay for him, so why toronto should overpay for a guy like hagel?

 

[ACC1224]

I mean, defensively he moves between good and ok, his breakouts though he really struggles with.

I think that’s why I’m a bigger fan of his with Sandin rather than Muzzin.

I don’t look at it as an upgrade on Holl, but rather finding a more suitable partner for Muzzin.

I think we see the player different, all good.
We do agree though that a partner for Muzzin is needed.

 

[ACC1224]

Our 3rd and 4th lines need to outscore the other team's 3rd and 4th lines. Our scoring players in those areas are huge question marks. Spezza is a threat and he was incredible last year. Your same point applies though, last year doesn't have bearing on how he'll do this year. Kase is a threat and needs to stay healthy. Nobody else is really a threat and I think they'll be outplayed by the opponent's bottom 6.

Yeah I hear what you're saying but assuming Tavares plays this year, is a huge boost on it's own and keeps the lines intact.
I think the 3rd line is good enough to play with anyone and Engvall(although I'm not a huge fan) should be able to do some damage playing against 4th lines. A 13th forward to move in for Spezza or Simmonds is a need though.

 

[fahad203]

Holl has been absolute disaster. If he's our second pairing we may as well just fold

I dont care what the data says.