Because that contract is wonderful. And I firmly believe willy is being anchored by our 11m captain.
GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX
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Nylander88
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He needs to figure it out. Otherwise that's 11mil that is better spent elsewhere. Could grab a 6mil C and a 5 mil D with that money and be better off/deper I would have to think
Magic Man
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I think they should give the goalies a month until the deadline to figure it out. But, if they can't, they should trade for MAF.
The idea of Mrazek + picks/prospects for MAF. Similar to the Ritchie + pick for Lyubushkin + contracts trade. That idea right now is looking pretty appealing.
If they still want a forward and a defenseman after that it might get expensive though.
The idea of Mrazek + picks/prospects for MAF. Similar to the Ritchie + pick for Lyubushkin + contracts trade. That idea right now is looking pretty appealing.
If they still want a forward and a defenseman after that it might get expensive though.
I don't care what line Nylander is on just get him the hell away from JT already.
Dubas needs to go all in for Forsberg. Nylander and Forsberg can play on second line with Tavares moving to third line winger.
Magic Man
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He's a rental. He'll be too expensive. JT Miller is the safer play. Getting him retained for an extra year would be big.
Nylander88
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If they'll take Mrazek as the main player with MAF coming back...I jump all over that. Prospect price shouldn't be too high. Or send a guy like Dermott in the deal. A mid 20s, cost controlled D-man for another year who can maybe realize his potential elsewhere. Goalies have been far too shaky for my liking. And MAF is still a top goalie in this league imo, just on a weak team
Campbell, Mrazek, and Tavares are the 3 major issues plaguing this team. Thats 16 million dollars being completely wasted on our cap. We should be targeting a top 4 d and a kerfoot upgrade in the top 6 but with how bad these 3 are playing I dont know if we should. Hopefully they all figure things out by playoffs.
I obviously agree that the goaltending has been shaky, but moving Mraz for MAF leaves a massive hole and question mark heading to the off-season. Not exactly the front office’s MO.
I want to hope that Mraz/Jack get straightened out and are fine. They’ve got enough history.
I’m in the wait and see camp.
ToneDog
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If Willie is being anchored by JT and they won't break up 16/34 or trade 16 because he is too good and Willie does not work with Kampf and JT won't waive, what are your options ???
ToneDog
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Pretty sure the current situation is of more concern than that in the off season when you have time and plenty of options. IMO I'd move Mrazek and his contract as soon as I can and if I can get MAF for him in the deal, count me in.
ToneDog
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Unfortunately the deadline is 22 days away and fast approaching when your goaltending is as weak as it has been. I jumped on the MAF train last night. I would also give the Stars a call asking about Holtby if I can find a taker for Mrazek.
I never thought I'd say it this season but I'm on board for Fleury too, even though he's a weird goalie himself come playoff time. I never had any confidence in Mrazek and Campbell is completely losing it as we can all see.
I'd love to unload Mrazek's contract but not sure the Hawks go for it though, there are some desperate teams in need of a goalie and I'd say Chicago are holding out on a 1st in return.
Fair enough, but I wouldn’t count on it. Both goalies have enough of a track record to suggest they are better than they have been in 2022, and are more likely to calibrate towards their norm.
notdoneyet
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88 at the first of the year played like he wanted to make a difference. went into the corners, went into the dirty areas, played with passion and dermination.
Now he has reverted back to the old willy of not engaging, not making a difference. not going into the corner first etc. Yes tavares is shitting the bed but
nylander has to be better. And no to all the stupid posts saying break up marner and matthews
Now he has reverted back to the old willy of not engaging, not making a difference. not going into the corner first etc. Yes tavares is shitting the bed but
nylander has to be better. And no to all the stupid posts saying break up marner and matthews
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I think the MAF option looks great from the outside cause let's face it, anything looks better than the goaltending we have now. But it really feels like it would be an expensive bandaid solution.
We have a few issues at play.
1. I think for starters, people imagine it would be like getting playoff Price in net. Don't think it would be nearly that level. He is surely capable of it, but don't like the chances.
2. I think there is also the thought of just him coming in and saving everything. I think the adjustment period for a new goalie on a new team would be a big one and take a while. Like long enough that the adjustment will yet to have been made once we hit the playoffs. Hey maybe he hits the ground running, but I don't know.
3. Fleury isn't without his warts. He's aging and has lost his job a couple times himself.
4. And I saved the biggest problem for last. He's a pending UFA. He will cost a lot to acquire. You hope he wins us the Cup. But if not, then what? You have the same issue in the summer. Need to shore up the goaltending. That will cost trade assets that we already spent on Fleury. Or it will have to be a signing. We all know how this place feels about any Dubas contract above the minimum with term. Have fun with that.
If you could make a move right now that would shore up the position for a few runs (i.e. trading for a Fleury who is 3 years younger with 3 more years on his contract), you do it and you do it right now. I don't think that move is currently there. If that's the case, one of Soup or Mrazek need to figure it out and then re-evaluate and address the issue in the summer. The issue needs to be stitched up and all at once, rather than covering it with a new bandaid every so often. MAF might be one of those fancier bandaids with extra adhesive, rather than the standard children's Spongebob ones. It likely cost you more at the store as well. But in the end, a bandaid will still fall off
We have a few issues at play.
1. I think for starters, people imagine it would be like getting playoff Price in net. Don't think it would be nearly that level. He is surely capable of it, but don't like the chances.
2. I think there is also the thought of just him coming in and saving everything. I think the adjustment period for a new goalie on a new team would be a big one and take a while. Like long enough that the adjustment will yet to have been made once we hit the playoffs. Hey maybe he hits the ground running, but I don't know.
3. Fleury isn't without his warts. He's aging and has lost his job a couple times himself.
4. And I saved the biggest problem for last. He's a pending UFA. He will cost a lot to acquire. You hope he wins us the Cup. But if not, then what? You have the same issue in the summer. Need to shore up the goaltending. That will cost trade assets that we already spent on Fleury. Or it will have to be a signing. We all know how this place feels about any Dubas contract above the minimum with term. Have fun with that.
If you could make a move right now that would shore up the position for a few runs (i.e. trading for a Fleury who is 3 years younger with 3 more years on his contract), you do it and you do it right now. I don't think that move is currently there. If that's the case, one of Soup or Mrazek need to figure it out and then re-evaluate and address the issue in the summer. The issue needs to be stitched up and all at once, rather than covering it with a new bandaid every so often. MAF might be one of those fancier bandaids with extra adhesive, rather than the standard children's Spongebob ones. It likely cost you more at the store as well. But in the end, a bandaid will still fall off
Breaking up Bunting, Matthews and Marner would be a very stupid thing to do at this point. They’ve been the best line in the NHL by a wide margin for a little while now.
I doubt Fleury costs a lot. He’ll be involved in his trade discussions and basically choose the destination he wants to go to, whether that’s Toronto or elsewhere.
dubplatepressure
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I'd keep trying different options at 2LW and hope next year someone can step up into the role. Kerfoot, Kase, Mikheyev, Engvall, are all viable if unspectacular. JT's clearly fighting something - maybe it's post-COVID fatigue, maybe it's something lingering from his injury in the playoffs last year. I still find it funny how much of a problem we consider JT when he's PPG and has been for the last ~4 seasons, and even with them "slumping" Nylander's having a career year. I don't see it as that much of a problem TBH.
Goaltending > defensive depth > 2LW upgrade
ToneDog
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thusk
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Leafs fan on this topic are amaizing.
Campbell played pretty well first 27 : "campbell will win vezina and toronto get a real shot for stanley cup"
Campbell struggle during 9 gamed space " campbell is over, toronto will loose again in first round because of their goaltender. They will never be able to beat bobrovsky who didnt play better hockey last 9 game .. we should trade campbell for an other goalie who struggle probably more than campbell this season in MAF"
Campbell played pretty well first 27 : "campbell will win vezina and toronto get a real shot for stanley cup"
Campbell struggle during 9 gamed space " campbell is over, toronto will loose again in first round because of their goaltender. They will never be able to beat bobrovsky who didnt play better hockey last 9 game .. we should trade campbell for an other goalie who struggle probably more than campbell this season in MAF"
ToneDog
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Agreed but I think Dubas looks for D first, LWer 2nd and Goalie third unless in 2 weeks the goalies have not gotten their heads on straight.
Griffin76
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I must be missing something because I literally read the 5 pages of this thread twice and never once did I see anyone suggest splitting up Matthews and Marner.
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