GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX

[4thline]

As I said in the old thread, even if you accept that leak as 100% fact, and add Steeves/Tverberg to it we might not be as out as you think. Could still put together 2nd+Hirvonen+Kokkonen.

In the last 3 deadlines, notable (4-5 D, middle 6 forward or better) players whose return that package matches/exceeds
Janmark
Bennett
Hall
Carter
Vatanen
Athanasaiou
Martinez
Scandella
Dillon
DeMelo
Toffoli
Greene
Johansson
Nyquist
Zuccarrelo
Jensen
Hagelin

 

[Kiwi]

Yep. And I suspect they may opt to try and do the same. Add another Bunting type forward and/o r an undervalued D with strong analytics.

Went big fish hunting last tdl. A different approach can't hurt I suppose

I have zero problem with the organisation overvaluing our assets

I don't want to be the biggest spender at the TDL, I want us to be the smartest

Fit, waiting to see if somebody useful gets dumped at the last minute, keeping an eye on less forward thinking organisations, flexibility

 

[Morgs]

I seriously question why people think the Leafs are going to add another RD when they already have Holl (currently) sitting in the pressbox due to a lack of spots in the lineup.

Holl is already better than the vast majority of RD rentals on the market, including Braun.

Now I don't think Holl is going to be a permanent fixture in the pressbox, but then you have Lyubushkin or Liljegren sitting there instead... Which is not any more ideal.

If we add a defenseman, it is because Muzzin is not coming back at all... And it would be a LD.

Yep. The only way you go for RD is if it's a measurable upgrade on Liljegren. The amount of guys out there that I'd consider a short/long term upgrade on him, and would fit our system/cap is so small there just seems like 0 chance a RD is being traded for unless it's depth. The only one I can think of is basically Murphy, and even then it doesn't feel completely necessary.

It's a LD partner for Liljegren that needs to be an improvement on Dermott (not because I dont think hes good enough, but because Keefe clearly doesnt trust him), or nothing for defense.

 

[SprDaVE]

Yep. And I suspect they may opt to try and do the same. Add another Bunting type forward and/o r an undervalued D with strong analytics.

Went big fish hunting last tdl. A different approach can't hurt I suppose

I have zero problem with the organisation overvaluing our assets

I don't want to be the biggest spender at the TDL, I want us to be the smartest

Fit, waiting to see if somebody useful gets dumped at the last minute, keeping an eye on less forward thinking organisations, flexibility

Good way to put it. We have to be smarter for sure.

Someone like Pysyk to me is that kind of player. Versatile, good defensively, decent production, always on bad teams. Another defenseman is Troy Stetcher. A little small but very good defensively. Injured most of the season. Leafs have had interest in the past. Wouldn't cost much. Both these RHD defenseman would be perfect low cost additions.

Calle Jarnkrok has been linked to the Leafs for awhile, could be someone that flies under the radar at the deadline. Max Domi would be an interesting player to go after. I suspect he'd love to be back in a hockey town... he's the kind of player that thrives in that atmosphere. Leafs could probably use more firepower offensively. I don't see him back in Columbus and I don't see him drawing a lot of interest with his contract from contenders.

 

[Kiwi]

Good way to put it. We have to be smarter for sure.

Someone like Pysyk to me is that kind of player. Versatile, good defensively, decent production, always on bad teams. Another defenseman is Troy Stetcher. A little small but very good defensively. Injured most of the season. Leafs have had interest in the past. Wouldn't cost much. Both these RHD defenseman would be perfect low cost additions.

Calle Jarnkrok has been linked to the Leafs for awhile, could be someone that flies under the radar at the deadline. Max Domi would be an interesting player to go after. I suspect he'd love to be back in a hockey town... he's the kind of player that thrives in that atmosphere. Leafs could probably use more firepower offensively. I don't see him back in Columbus and I don't see him drawing a lot of interest with his contract from contenders.

Some good names there, I was this about a guy like Statzny

Center, 3rd liner, half a point a game, probably pretty cheap to grab

Try to build 2 3rd lines, one checking the other more offensively inclined

Robertson Statzny Spezza
Mikhayev Kampf Kase

Maybe a bottom 6 like that could get us that important playoff goal or two

 

[Zybalto]

Any way to pry Jesper Bratt out of NJ?

 

[budzz]

I really think, that outside of the top handful of bigger names, this is going to be a buyers market. Looking at the standings there are already 13 teams that are pretty much out of the race at this point. Most of the contenders are up against the cap, with very little wiggle room. There will only be so many cap spots for teams looking to get anything for their ufa's. Some frugal creative shopping could go a long way.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I'd prefer Copp to Stastny as a rental. Could even fit in Scheifele or Schmidt if we wanted to swing for the fences.

 

[Zybalto]

Bratt
Kubalik
Konecny

Braun
de Haan
Giordano

If it's possible to grab any of these guys without giving up anything big, fire away. The Chychrun/Miller's of the world are just too pricey.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I'd prefer Copp to Stastny as a rental. Could even fit in Scheifele or Schmidt if we wanted to swing for the fences.

Clicked this topic by accident (it was on recent posts), but I don’t think Scheif should be a target for the Leafs. Even if he turns his game around, it’s not gonna address a hole in the lineup. It would still cost a lot though regardless.

Stastny and Copp though I agree would be great targets for the Leafs. I wouldn’t be shocked if Stastny finally ends up in a Leafs sweater at the deadline.

 

[SprDaVE]

Bratt
Kubalik
Konecny

Braun
de Haan
Giordano

If it's possible to grab any of these guys without giving up anything big, fire away. The Chychrun/Miller's of the world are just too pricey.

De Haan is pretty underrated defensively. A good option for a buy low medium reward addition.

 

[hamzarocks]

Bratt
Kubalik
Konecny

Braun
de Haan
Giordano

If it's possible to grab any of these guys without giving up anything big, fire away. The Chychrun/Miller's of the world are just too pricey.

The cost for Bratt would be more than Chychuran and probably Miller. He's the best player on the devils is super skilled and producing at above ppg with a history of producing at a very solid level on a trash team

Imagine his value is about what we'd want for Nylander. His new deal will be probably 7-8 years at 7-8M

 

[kb]

The cost for Bratt would be more than Chychuran and probably Miller. He's the best player on the devils is super skilled and producing at above ppg with a history of producing at a very solid level on a trash team

Imagine his value is about what we'd want for Nylander. His new deal will be probably 7-8 years at 7-8M

Hughes is the guy there. But Bratt is going nowhere. He's RFA so the Leafs would have to pay a ton and then only get him for one run because of his next contract, like you say.

 

[hamzarocks]

Hughes is the guy there. But Bratt is going nowhere. He's RFA so the Leafs would have to pay a ton and then only get him for one run because of his next contract, like you say.

I'd target Shargonovich from the devils. Left shot center so should slide to LW nicely. Isn't a star by any means but is a quality top 9 player whose only 23.

Probably cost a 1st and another asset but he's a piece we can keep for the future if he fits on L2 well. Also has some size which would help come playoffs.

They have Hughes/Bratt/Hischier/Mercer as their top 4 forwards for the future along with Holtz so skilled forward core. They might not have room for Shergonovich moving forward especially depending on who they draft this year

 

[Burnie97]

Bratt
Kubalik
Konecny

Braun
de Haan
Giordano

If it's possible to grab any of these guys without giving up anything big, fire away. The Chychrun/Miller's of the world are just too pricey.

I was on the go big or go home train but seeing the prices it just doesn't seem worth it.

I'd be cool with a gio and another winger who is gritty. Not sure who is out there that would fit perfectly but another Bunting type would be nice.

 

[Smif]

As I said in the old thread, even if you accept that leak as 100% fact, and add Steeves/Tverberg to it we might not be as out as you think. Could still put together 2nd+Hirvonen+Kokkonen.

In the last 3 deadlines, notable (4-5 D, middle 6 forward or better) players whose return that package matches/exceeds
Janmark
Bennett
Hall
Carter
Vatanen
Athanasaiou
Martinez
Scandella
Dillon
DeMelo
Toffoli
Greene
Johansson
Nyquist
Zuccarrelo
Jensen
Hagelin

This is my kinda list, I don't want the guy that's generating the bidding wars (Foligno) I want the value guys (Bennett, Hall etc.).

 

[Zybalto]

The cost for Bratt would be more than Chychuran and probably Miller. He's the best player on the devils is super skilled and producing at above ppg with a history of producing at a very solid level on a trash team

Imagine his value is about what we'd want for Nylander. His new deal will be probably 7-8 years at 7-8M

shhhh, dont say it so loud. Much of the media has no idea who he is lol.

Maybe he and the Devils have some issue behind the scenes and he wants to come here?

Hey a guy can dream,

 

[Zybalto]

I was on the go big or go home train but seeing the prices it just doesn't seem worth it.

I'd be cool with a gio and another winger who is gritty. Not sure who is out there that would fit perfectly but another Bunting type would be nice.

Was thinking that with Konecny. The Flyers have been bad a while and maybe looking to reset and he's a feisty little guy. Bertuzzi from the wings is another heart and soul guy but too much baggage.

 

[shortfuze]

I think there's quite a few players TO could/should trade/move in order to get over the hurdle of any success in the playoffs.

My list, it wouldn't break my heart to see any of them traded and I think most/all have shown they don't have what it takes to ensure future success:

Rielly
Muzzin
Holl
Dermott
Lyubushkin
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
Kampf
Kase
Clifford
Simmonds
Robertson

I think moving a lot of these guys would be additions by subtractions, it's tiresome watching the same players not have what it takes when the going gets tough year after year.

I don't necessarily think these guys are useless but together on one team they are not assets.

Weird seeing as how you didn’t include Matthews, Marner or Tavares on that list. Seeing as how they haven’t done anything in the playoffs. And to some degree Nylander.

how can you include Kampf and Kase in there?

 

[shortfuze]

I stopped reading after Rielly.

I should have too

 

[shortfuze]

Honestly Sandin should be on the table for a Chychuran deal

Sandin will be blocked by Rielly for basically the next 8 years. He's never touching that level of play and we don't want him to be taking minutes away from Rielly a top 10-15D in the league since 2018.

If we are getting Chychuran he is better and probably stays better than Sandin for the remainder of his current contract. That's 3 years I believe where we have a top 50D at 4ishM. In the crazy case that Sandin does become better than Chychuran in the next few years his playstyle and value would be coming mostly from an area which Rielly is already provide plenty of value

Chychuran can replace and provide more value to tbe team as the 2LHd then Muzzin did in 2019 and 2020.

I would deal Sandin + 2022 1st + 2023 2nd for Chychuran straight

Next 2 years the D-Core is set

Rielly - Brodie
Chychuran - Lilijgren

With the potential return from a muzzin deal being a 3RHD/3LHD with value who can compliment Niemela who should be a leaf by 2023

Don’t need Sandin to be better than Rielly. Just need him to be an adequate top 4 Defenceman.

 

[hamzarocks]

Don’t need Sandin to be better than Rielly. Just need him to be an adequate top 4 Defenceman.

Yeah but if your getting Chychuran who is at worse a quality top 4D while being on a sweet deal and only 2 years older that's a mobe that makes sense to look into

 

[nuck]

I seriously question why people think the Leafs are going to add another RD when they already have Holl (currently) sitting in the pressbox due to a lack of spots in the lineup.

Holl is already better than the vast majority of RD rentals on the market, including Braun.

Now I don't think Holl is going to be a permanent fixture in the pressbox, but then you have Lyubushkin or Liljegren sitting there instead... Which is not any more ideal.

If we add a defenseman, it is because Muzzin is not coming back at all... And it would be a LD.

Is Holl in the pressbox for a lack of spots or deficient play? Holl was better than Braun last season but right now Braun is having a better year and doing it with similar usage on a club with a -50 goal differential. I like Lybush in the 3rd pair as he has no puck skills but would probably not sit him at all in that role. I'm not sure what situations Holl is better for than Lilly but he doesn't' seem like a guy Keefe has much faith in now. I don't expect it, but if they could sub in Braun for Holl I would be more confidant than relying solely on Lilly going into the playoffs. Thats a tinkering move compared to the left side though which I agree is where things will happen.

I'm calling it that Kyle is blowing smoke about all the pieces he wouldn't move because he wants to set the floor low in any deal. Maybe he gets Gio for Dermott and a 2nd but I think it would be more. Steeves and Abruzzese are the same age but on is a ppg winger in college and the other is a ppg center in the AHL. Abruzzese is only their 3rd best winger prospect, or 4th when Amirov is healthy so how is he untouchable? Nothing more than Kedi mind tricks.

Without the exercise of who is outbound, who might you see as a potential Muzz replacement if he is, as expected, shelved for the duration of the regular season?

 

[hobarth]

Weird seeing as how you didn’t include Matthews, Marner or Tavares on that list. Seeing as how they haven’t done anything in the playoffs. And to some degree Nylander.

how can you include Kampf and Kase in there?

I don't know why people haven't seen that TO's playoff records the last few years hasn't been a problem with the d, the problem has been scoring enough to warrant winning. TO needs players that can play d but also provide scoring especially from the 3rd line, Mikeyhev showed last year and after a brief hot steak this year has returned to himself lots of skating little production, Kase is injured as much as he's healthy and that's during the easier times in a season, Kampf hasn't an offensive bone in his body, none of these 3 are the types of players that TO can count on to make up for the top 4s not scoring.

Rielly does the same every year come the 2nd half and definitely into the playoffs, his total lack of physicality and just horrible hockey IQ are easily exploited by the opposition, can he score, yes but his inability to defend is/will always be a TO problem.

I think it's pretty easy to defend just 4 players on any team when that's basically all they have, TO's support players haven't supported adequately enough and continuing to expect much from them isn't cutting it, Montreal beat TO last year, Montreal beat TO last year, Montreal beat TO ......., pathetic.

 

[hockeywiz542]

32 Thoughts: Could the Predators trade Filip Forsberg? - Sportsnet.ca

1. The Nashville Predators know that to re-sign Filip Forsberg, the AAV must be higher than Matt Duchene/Ryan Johansen’s $8 million figure. Forsberg knows that, if he wants to stay in Tennessee, he’s going to have to come in lower than Roman Josi’s $9.059 million. I wouldn’t be surprised if Forsberg initially asked higher — you don’t negotiate against yourself — but that’s where everyone’s got to get to: the sweet spot between those two numbers. (Plus, structure and no-trade protection.) There’s time. I believe there is a will for both sides to get there. If we get to the deadline and the Predators don’t believe they can sign him, that’s when a trade becomes possible. GM David Poile could keep an unsigned Forsberg past March 21, but it’s not his preference, and won’t happen if progress isn’t being made.

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5. I can see Philadelphia in on Canadiens’ Jeff Petry. It makes a lot of sense for them.

6. I think the Flyers’ Rasmus Ristolainen gets moved. He wants a playoff series. Not only do I understand the desire to finally get a chance after almost 600 games, but I could see Ristolainen thinking postseason style as beneficial for his market value.

7. Claude Giroux’s 1,000th game as a Flyer would be at home March 17 versus Nashville (knock on wood). I think he’d like to get there, but it’s not a dealbreaker if something comes up beforehand. His media conference last week was a reminder of how this time stresses out people. You just want it to be over, but I don’t sense anything imminent. Apropos of nothing, I’ve really enjoyed watching Gerry Mayhew. He gives it his all.

8. Even though Toronto put Jake Muzzin on long-term injury reserve, I think the Maple Leafs still have to get a handle on his situation. We know now the danger of cumulative concussions, and the bruising defender suffered one on Jan. 15. Guessing recovery timelines is silly. They know he’s out until at least mid-March, and can see where everything stands before the deadline. They’ll do their legwork in the meantime.

While I do think J.T. Miller is perfect for them — and they have talked to Vancouver — I don’t think the Maple Leafs feel that is their No. 1 priority. They aren’t finished trying to tinker with their blue line and, at the very least, must be considering goaltending options. They had conversations with Dallas about John Klingberg, and may revisit after adding some edge they desired in Ilya Lyubushkin. By my math, they could have $7 million in cap room, although a pre-playoff return for Muzzin complicates that.

9. Toronto’s made it clear it desires to hold Matthew Knies and Topi Niemela — especially for rentals or shorter-term options. Nick Robertson for a rental seems unlikely. I suspect that, after the Olympics, Nick Abruzzese moved toward this group, as well. They don’t have a ton of draft picks, but feel very good about their prospects.