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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART IX
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Griffin76
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I'd give it a try. Tavares is struggling and needs less ice time. Maybe a message needs to be sent. And he needs to be separated from Nylander because he's dragging him down with him. Heck I'd even switch Tavares and Kampf. Kampf is at least providing a little bit of offense.
thusk
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
It is not like Campbell has a history of being a #1G for an extended period of time. Should the Leafs stand pat and hope one of them gets it before the playoffs when everybody knows Leafs management thinks this team is good enough to win a SC and heads could roll with another 1st round exit or do you have a better plan??
dubplatepressure
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It's not simply a 9 game stretch, and it's not simply "just a cold streak" when you're as legendarily bad as he's been. His SVP since Jan 1 is .887, that places him 2nd last among goalies who've played at least 14 games this season. (22 out of 23 - 23 being Nedejlkovic).
NHL Goalie Stats 2021-2022
These guys have his SVP as sub-900 from December 1st through Feb 27th, 29th among goalies with at =>14 GP.
FYI Bobrovsky's a .906 during this same period. Andersen's a .929.
This doesn't seem like an outlier.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
I'd rather give him a few games off. Tell him it is "load management" but pretty sure the message will be received (even if he already knows it).
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Somebody said that these guys are not as bad or as good as they have been. Problem is do you want to find out that they are not good enough in round #1 against Florida who leads the league in goals ?? Guess there is always hoping Bob plays like Ned and Griess played last night and we win 10-7. That gets you through round 1. Then what ??
nuck
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If you mean losing Mrazek creates a massive question mark, doesn't his .894 sv% do the same? He was basically a .910 goalie with the Canes who play much tighter defense than the Leafs so it was kind of predictable he might be a little less capable on another club. They signed him to a 1A deal expecting better than his career average .910 average I think which was kind of optimistic. Even if he bounces back well, .910 still looks like him in a good year and that is a replaceable number. I think he will get his game back but except for a 12 game snip last year he has not been .915 or better since 2015 so preserving him doesn't seem like it should be a big priority.
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This really is a misconception. The Canes aren't that amazing defensively. They are elite at transition play and generating in zone offence, but their D is less than stellar.
xGA/60 5v5
TOR: 2.34 (top 10)
CAR: 2.64 (6th last)
For a less advanced stat, scoring chances/high danger chances tell the same story.
Source: Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick
thusk
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No campbell struggle started against stl and NYR when toronto just playing like shit in front of him and gave up 11 goal and like 9 or 10 of those goal with a guy uncoven on the slot. Thats where campbell slowed down
Between dec 1 and january 12, campbell was fine
dubplatepressure
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Yes - his SVP was .917 during that stretch - 17th OA among regulars but definitely serviceable. The problem is not so much that Jack always needs to be 'on', it's that when Jack is 'off' he's absolutely wretched. If 'off' was to Jack a .905 or a .910 then that would be just fine. He'd let in the odd stinker but would otherwise be OK - a la Andersen 2019-2020 (.909). But from Jan 12th to present he's not even in the top 50. What I'm saying is that it's completely fine and expected for goalies to get hot and cold, but it's not fine if cold is unserviceable. We can't rely on that.
Don’t see how Driedger is really an upgrade on what we currently have?
I mean that having no NHL goalie signed for the coming year is unlike the front officers MO.
I think an average Mrázek is plenty good for this team.
Of course, the margin for error with goalies is very slim, and they are voodoo anyways, so I’m no expert.
In my mind there’s just as much risk getting a new goalie as letting it ride with what they have, expecting a bounce back to their average performance.
Even considering MAF. He’s gone from excellent, to pay someone to take him, to excellent, to trade it for nothing, to being a potential saviour.
Bigmarycombo
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That’s the typical 88 excuse for getting him and Tavares “started”.
It’s the go to option for a lot of posters
You are not giving up Nylander for that. And I like all those players on Chicago.
thusk
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You need to watch over the stats sometime.
A game like yesterday or against columbus it was a goalie collapse and the stats goalie had, he deserved it.
You take a game like stl or NYR. Both game campbell get awful stats, but you watch it closely, 9 or 10 of 11 goal he allowed, it was a blues or ranger all alone uncover in the slot. Just unforgivable defensivly. Those game was was not goalie collapse but defensive collapse. A kind of game you could play with vasilevskiy in the net and you still in trouble.
dubplatepressure
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lol with respect - I think I'm watching over the stats an adequate amount, thank you. The numbers don't lie in telling us that, while no one is perfect, other goalies find ways to save those shots where Jack has struggled and hasn't been able to. He's getting beat by pucks going through and under him - a bad sign from the the eye test where you know even there it represents red flags.
I mean, he's been bad for a stretch of two months now, I think it's bigger than a slump at this point.
My thoughts are basically this about the TDL
Use your time to do everything possible to get Campbell and Mrazek on track
If you can’t, trade for a goalie and pay big for it if need be, provided there is term
If goalie upgrade isn’t in the cards, spend no assets at the deadline. Team sinks or swims as is
Use your time to do everything possible to get Campbell and Mrazek on track
If you can’t, trade for a goalie and pay big for it if need be, provided there is term
If goalie upgrade isn’t in the cards, spend no assets at the deadline. Team sinks or swims as is
Dragao6
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Exactly
We comment what we see!!!
Until all star break he was unreal and def one of the top goalies
Since then it’s fallen hard and suggests he may be what he’s always been, a backup
Torontonian
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Awful deal, we give up Nylander and Dermott, where Nylander is under contracts for another 3 years and Dermott whose a RFA so he's a cost controlled assets for two UFAS and Hagel who is worse then Nylander in every way.
Peace Frog
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If you can’t address the goaltending issue, you still need to try to upgrade in the other areas. Muzzin’s cap should absolutely be used at the deadline, regardless of our goaltending situation, imo.
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