Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[thestonedkoala]

Honestly I don't think the next few years we are going to see a lot of shakeup. The roster we had last year will be similar to the roster this year. I feel like Guerin wants consistency and internal replacements. Fiala wasn't part of that group for whatever reason but I expect a very quiet off season.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So I guess we're counting on Boldy becoming Fiala and Rossi becoming Boldy, because I don't really see the defense/goals against seeing any notable bump, and any offensive decline puts us right back into the playoff bubble at best.

 

[Wabit]

To me it was when Fiala held out when Guerin first got here made me think that thisll end badly

I don't recall a holdout. I recall that offseason basically being put on pause from late July until early Sept due to the GM turnover. Fenton was fired July 30, but I don't know if his keys were taken away before that or not. Fiala was signed (Sept 11) within 3 weeks of GMBG getting hired (Aug 21). He was one of GMBG's first contracts signed as GM in MN. Spurgeon was re-signed Sept 14 as a reference.

Late July into mid August is a pretty standard signing window for established RFAs. A lot contracts get done around the same time/after as the arbitration dates. So that window got pushed back and negations stated over from scratch.

Fiala not getting the $7m x 7 (IIRC) he wanted and only got a lowball 1 year deal last offseason was beginning of the end for Fiala in MN.

 

[Wabit]

So I guess we're counting on Boldy becoming Fiala and Rossi becoming Boldy, because I don't really see the defense/goals against seeing any notable bump, and any offensive decline puts us right back into the playoff bubble at best.

The GA could easily get a noticeable bump the wrong way. Right now all MN has is Talbot (35 yo, average tandem goalie, that has been injury prone), Wallstedt (20 yo rookie), and Jones (.890 sv% AHL/ECHL). It's not too far of a jump to see this turning into a Kemps/Backy or Dub/Stalock combo that tanked the season for MN.

It seems like it's MAF or bust for GMBG. I don't think they can get a decent UFA goalie for under $3m this offseason.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The GA could easily get a noticeable bump the wrong way. Right now all MN has is Talbot (35 yo, average tandem goalie, that has been injury prone), Wallstedt (20 yo rookie), and Jones (.890 sv% AHL/ECHL). It's not too far of a jump to see this turning into a Kemps/Backy or Dub/Stalock combo that tanked the season for MN.

It seems like it's MAF or bust for GMBG. I don't think they can get a decent UFA goalie for under $3m this offseason.

I meant "bump" as improvement. I'm expecting a decline, or maybe just status quo at absolute best.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I don't recall a holdout. I recall that offseason basically being put on pause from late July until early Sept due to the GM turnover. Fenton was fired July 30, but I don't know if his keys were taken away before that or not. Fiala was signed (Sept 11) within 3 weeks of GMBG getting hired (Aug 21). He was one of GMBG's first contracts signed as GM in MN. Spurgeon was re-signed Sept 14 as a reference.

Late July into mid August is a pretty standard signing window for established RFAs. A lot contracts get done around the same time/after as the arbitration dates. So that window got pushed back and negations stated over from scratch.

Fiala not getting the $7m x 7 (IIRC) he wanted and only got a lowball 1 year deal last offseason was beginning of the end for Fiala in MN.

He got a two year deal but I remember Guerin was grumbling about Fiala going to miss training camp if he didn't sign.

 

[Wabit]

He got a two year deal but I remember Guerin was grumbling about Fiala going to miss training camp if he didn't sign.

/shrug he would have, but that is the NHL calendar. He might have missed the first couple of days of camp that year due to needing a work visa?

That was also in the year following the major Nylander holdout. The Trouba holdout was the year before IIRC. So it was on the people who ask the questions minds.

I've learned since then that if GMBG is caught off guard or is sick of a question he gets snippy and flippant.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't doubt that Guerin could've been annoyed at Fiala during that first contract, but I also think that would've been much more of a Guerin problem than a Fiala problem.

 

[north21]

So I guess we're counting on Boldy becoming Fiala and Rossi becoming Boldy, because I don't really see the defense/goals against seeing any notable bump, and any offensive decline puts us right back into the playoff bubble at best.

Hard to see the team not taking a step backwards without Fiala, just no way around it. You have to also wonder if Hartman and Foligno will be able to reproduce what they did last year.

 

[theguardianII]

Hard to see the team not taking a step backwards without Fiala, just no way around it. You have to also wonder if Hartman and Foligno will be able to reproduce what they did last year.

Do a deal for Boeser, he will take less to be home.
Last year he was dealing with being on the Canucks Circus for months and dealing with his Dad's critical illness all year

 

[Bazeek]

Do a deal for Boeser, he will take less to be home.
Last year he was dealing with being on the Canucks Circus for months and dealing with his Dad's critical illness all year

Boeser would be nice, but "less" is probably still not cheap enough for us to afford.

 

[theguardianII]

Do a deal for Boeser, he will take less to be home.
Last year he was dealing with being on the Canucks Circus for months and dealing with his Dad's critical illness all year

Boeser would be nice, but "less" is probably still not cheap enough for us to afford.

The team needed to shed some salary anyway but with him and if he takes a discount to be close to family there would be enough cap space to maybe get Bjugstad and Deslauriers signed IF both players are wanted.

A trade with Vancouver could include Ferland or Stillman, both look to be LTIR for the remainder of their contracts so it free's up an additional 2 to 3.5 mil in contracts. That might cost more than just the flip of the Fiala trade though, maybe just a little bit, next year's 2nd or 3rd rounder or something or even trade back Vancouver's 2nd this year

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I don’t even want to know what the potential deal from Seattle would’ve looked like. Would’ve had to be like 3 second rounders. They have absolutely nothing appealing that would be available in a Fiala trade.

 

[Digitalbooya]

The team needed to shed some salary anyway but with him and if he takes a discount to be close to family there would be enough cap space to maybe get Bjugstad and Deslauriers signed IF both players are wanted.

A trade with Vancouver could include Ferland or Stillman, both look to be LTIR for the remainder of their contracts so it free's up an additional 2 to 3.5 mil in contracts. That might cost more than just the flip of the Fiala trade though, maybe just a little bit, next year's 2nd or 3rd rounder or something or even trade back Vancouver's 2nd this year

The Wild trading Fiala didn’t shed cap. He didn’t have a contract. Got about $5.7M in cap space to fill backup goaltender and two other spots. Boeser’s qualifying offer is $7.5M.

 

[Bazeek]

I don’t even want to know what the potential deal from Seattle would’ve looked like. Would’ve had to be like 3 second rounders. They have absolutely nothing appealing that would be available in a Fiala trade.

Bizarre.

 

[theguardianII]

The Wild trading Fiala didn’t shed cap. He didn’t have a contract. Got about $5.7M in cap space to fill backup goaltender and two other spots. Boeser’s qualifying offer is $7.5M.

Ya but he can sign a multi year deal that the first year he is paid 7.5 mil and the rest is lower to average out to a 6 mil cap hit or less.
As I pointed out as well, Ferland's 3.5 mil LTIR could be traded as well for a small bump and maybe even goalie DiPetro or not

Canucks are in huge cap trouble thanks to Dim Jim Elmer Benning, the team's construction is all over the place in every area

It is getting straightened out now but it was scorched earth in the front office and likely the players as well.

Boeser would be a nice piece to keep but timing and the money doesn't work with too many needing new deals and the planned time line of 2 to 4 years of fixing. There are no prospects in the system, at least none that can make a dent except in goal or Rathbone maybe, thats it.
Benning traded away draft picks like handing out candy at Halloween, no 1rst's or 2nds for years now

 

[Digitalbooya]

Ya but he can sign a multi year deal that the first year he is paid 7.5 mil and the rest is lower to average out to a 6 mil cap hit or less.
As I pointed out as well, Ferland's 3.5 mil LTIR could be traded as well for a small bump and maybe even goalie DiPetro or not

Canucks are in huge cap trouble thanks to Dim Jim Elmer Benning, the team's construction is all over the place in every area

It is getting straightened out now but it was scorched earth in the front office and likely the players as well.

Boeser would be a nice piece to keep but timing and the money doesn't work with too many needing new deals and the planned time line of 2 to 4 years of fixing. There are no prospects in the system, at least none that can make a dent except in goal or Rathbone maybe, thats it.
Benning traded away draft picks like handing out candy at Halloween, no 1rst's or 2nds for years now

You don’t understand. The Wild could maybe afford $3.5M in cap for a forward.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

The Wild trading Fiala didn’t shed cap. He didn’t have a contract. Got about $5.7M in cap space to fill backup goaltender and two other spots. Boeser’s qualifying offer is $7.5M.

Yeah, I don’t see how we fit Boeser in here at all unless we break up the GREEF line by including Greenway and then have to include someone like Kulikov and picks. Then we for sure can’t sign MAF and need to get Middleton at 2m max.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Bizarre.

No kidding. They have nothing except their first rounder.

 

[theguardianII]

You don’t understand. The Wild could maybe afford $3.5M in cap for a forward.

Trade for Ferand and Boeser, Ferland gives the team an additional 3.5 mil in cap space due to his being on LTIR so 7 mil

Yeah, I don’t see how we fit Boeser in here at all unless we break up the GREEF line by including Greenway and then have to include someone like Kulikov and picks. Then we for sure can’t sign MAF and need to get Middleton at 2m max.

No you just trade for Ferland or Poolman with the deal. Either of those allow the team to go over the cap by the amount of their contracts.
That is how Vegas is getting space and how Tampa did it last year.
Many teams are using LTIR to go over the cap

Even now Vegas is 2 mil over the cap with 7 more players to sign but they traded for Weber and his 10 mil contract so they can go over by 10 mil now

 

[AKL]

Trade for Ferand and Boeser, Ferland gives the team an additional 3.5 mil in cap space due to his being on LTIR so 7 mil

That's not how LTIR works.

 

[theguardianII]

That's not how LTIR works.

Well you better tell Vegas, Tampa, Pittsburgh and next Washington how it does because they have been doing it for years and in Vancouver just the last 3 years as a matter of interest to your team, the covid year where your team was not allowed to add Kaprizov because the play in round was considered regular season games, Vancouver iced a team 12 million dollars over the cap. Don't know how that worked that your team was restricted by regular season rules but Vancouver wasn't but...

Just why do you think Vegas traded for Weber?

 

[Webster]

Twitter says Guerin will go after Malkin. Another old guy? Well maybe he'll take 2-3M

Kaprizov-Malkin-Zuccarello

 

[AKL]

Well you better tell Vegas, Tampa, Pittsburgh and next Washington how it does because they have been doing it for years and in Vancouver just the last 3 years as a matter of interest to your team, the covid year where your team was not allowed to add Kaprizov because the play in round was considered regular season games, Vancouver iced a team 12 million dollars over the cap. Don't know how that worked that your team was restricted by regular season rules but Vancouver wasn't but...

Just why do you think Vegas traded for Weber?

They traded for Weber because they dumped Dadonov in the deal. Weber can go on LTIR where his cap hit doesn't count against the team, but it does not give them extra spending room beyond what they cleared from moving Dadonov, who wouldn't be able to get buried on LTIR. They still only have the 82.5M to spend on their active roster.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Twitter says Guerin will go after Malkin. Another old guy? Well maybe he'll take 2-3M

Kaprizov-Malkin-Zuccarello

Why are you listening to Twitter?