Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Bazeek]

Any interest in Puljujarvi? Slot him in the Fiala spot with Rossi/Boldy?

Prob wouldn’t take much more than our 2nd+B level prospect

Puljujarvi seems like he'd fit better on Ek's line, but he's worse than the players already on that line. So not a lot of room there.

I don't think he's got the IQ to play the sort of game you hope to see from Rossi and Boldy.

 

[Webster]

If we trade Zucc to the ducks would could acquire Gibson with his money.

Gibson can't help much if you want to lose another ppg player...not to mention a pissed Kappy.

Middleton I believe has to stay here.

Yeah he's RFA, but nothing happens, I just hope he hasn't asked for a trade.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Gibson can't help much if you want to lose another ppg player...not to mention a pissed Kappy.

Kap would be fine without Zucc. Gibson would instantly make our team better as he is a quality goalie. Zucc is not a PPG forward, 688 games and 506 points. just a tad shy.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Tbh it would be better to trade Zucc and sign Malkin and then fill the top RW spot with Mikheyev or something cheap like that. Not saying that would be super stellar, but it would be fun to watch lol

 

[theguardianII]

I don't think I'm the one that needs to re-learn how LTIR works here, to be honest.

Instead, a team is allowed to exceed the cap, using what is referred to as the "LTIR pool." If a player carries a $5 million cap hit and is going to be placed on LTIR on a team that carries only $200,000, then their LTIR pool is $4.8 million ($5M-$0.2M).

Didn't have a clue did you? Did you not wonder how teams can have 100 million dollar payrolls under contract in the playoffs?

From PuckPedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

You see that a deal with Van could get your team the player, Boeser and if Ferland or Poolman are included the additional cap space for signing. If fact it is possible that there could be more cap space with Boeser at 6.5 mil with Ferland included than what the team had with just Fiala at his contract last year

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Instead, a team is allowed to exceed the cap, using what is referred to as the "LTIR pool." If a player carries a $5 million cap hit and is going to be placed on LTIR on a team that carries only $200,000, then their LTIR pool is $4.8 million ($5M-$0.2M).

Didn't have a clue did you? Did you not wonder how teams can have 100 million dollar payrolls under contract in the playoffs?

From PuckPedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

You see that a deal with Van could get your team the player, Boeser and if Ferland or Poolman are included the additional cap space for signing. If fact it is possible that there could be more cap space with Boeser at 6.5 mil with Ferland included than what the team had with just Fiala at his contract last year

Think about it logically, LTIR only benefits you if the player is already on your team, trading for an injured player and then LTIR them is a net zero affect on your cap. It benefits teams to do this when they are sending back a different contract as that removes some cap. The Wild do not have any cap dumps they could send in return. Literally every roster player besides Dumba and Talbot outperformed their cap hits last year.

 

[TaLoN]

Instead, a team is allowed to exceed the cap, using what is referred to as the "LTIR pool." If a player carries a $5 million cap hit and is going to be placed on LTIR on a team that carries only $200,000, then their LTIR pool is $4.8 million ($5M-$0.2M).

Didn't have a clue did you? Did you not wonder how teams can have 100 million dollar payrolls under contract in the playoffs?

From PuckPedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

You see that a deal with Van could get your team the player, Boeser and if Ferland or Poolman are included the additional cap space for signing. If fact it is possible that there could be more cap space with Boeser at 6.5 mil with Ferland included than what the team had with just Fiala at his contract last year

You can't take a $79m cap team against an $80m cap, bring in a $5m cap player and expect to get $5m to spend over the cap. You were never compliant before the player was injured to go on LTIR.

To get the LTIR clearance, you first need to be cap compliant, then the next day LTIR said player. We fail the compliance in the first place, thus don't get the benefit since we already violated the cap.

However, at a $79m cap, you have one of those players get injured - say the player gets $7m, you now have freed up $6m to go over that $80m cap... as your cap complaint team with $1m in space just freed up another $6m as that is how much over a full replacement contract would cost.

The key is, you need to be compliant first. In your scenario, we are going over the cap first. That's why it can't be done.

 

[theguardianII]

You can't take a $79m cap team against an $80m cap, bring in a $5m cap player and expect to get $5m to spend over the cap. You were never compliant before the player was injured to go on LTIR.

To get the LTIR clearance, you first need to be cap compliant, then the next day LTIR said player. We fail the compliance in the first place, thus don't get the benefit since we already violated the cap.

However, at a $79m cap, you have one of those players get injured - say the player gets $7m, you now have freed up $6m to go over that $80m cap... as your cap complaint team with $1m in space just freed up another $6m as that is how much over a full replacement contract would cost.

The key is, you need to be compliant first. In your scenario, we are going over the cap first. That's why it can't be done.

JUST LOOK AT TAMPA AND VEGAS EXPLAIN WHAT THEY DID THEN

 

[57special]

He got a Cup and he may not want to be more than a third/fourth liner. If you had the chance to be traded to a cup contender would you?

A guy like Sturm who is a late bloomer, has yet to have made any money to speak of, and is a serious injury away from being out of the league? He takes the 12.5M all day. That is life changing money.

Taking a discount to win a Cup is the perogative of guys who have made their money already.

As is, I think Sturm is going to be lucky to get a 2-3 year deal at 1.5-2M in FA. CO will be putting their money into Lekhonen and Nichushkin before Sturm, i think. They are not cash strapped yet, but getting close. They will want to lock Byram in, and Mackinnon's deal will be over after next year.

 

[TaLoN]

JUST LOOK AT TAMPA AND VEGAS EXPLAIN WHAT THEY DID THEN

Vegas was cap compliant entering the season, as was Tampa. They exceeded the cap AFTER the rosters were submitted for cap compliance.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Looks like DeSmith was in Pittsburgh when Guerin was.

 

[Bazeek]

So Boeser signs a 3 year deal, which ends just as the buyouts (effectively) go away.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Wonder what Kessels contract is gonna look like.

Not sure I'd be completely opposed to uniting the Thrills and seeing if Kessel can absorb some of what we lost with Fiala. Play him with Boldy and Rossi at evens, and trigger man on the PP with Zuccerello and Kaprizov.

Still had 50+ points in AZs terrible offense(got a point on 1/4th of their goals) while shooting a career low 4.5%. No way that repeats.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So Boeser signs a 3 year deal, which ends just as the buyouts (effectively) go away.

Interesting.

 

[Wabit]

So Boeser signs a 3 year deal, which ends just as the buyouts (effectively) go away.

The 3 year deal fits well for VAN; they are in a strange spot. Their prospect pool (awful at drafting) isn't good, they are cap tight, a fringe Playoff team, and they have a lot of guys a year or two away from UFA.

 

[Bazeek]

Wonder what Kessels contract is gonna look like.

Not sure I'd be completely opposed to uniting the Thrills and seeing if Kessel can absorb some of what we lost with Fiala. Play him with Boldy and Rossi at evens, and trigger man on the PP with Zuccerello and Kaprizov.

Still had 50+ points in AZs terrible offense(got a point on 1/4th of their goals) while shooting a career low 4.5%. No way that repeats.

I wouldn't hate Kessel on that line if they're pretty confident about Rossi at center. Or willing to let him work through the adjustments. Though I guess if it's really bad you could send Rossi back down and just put Gaudreau back in the middle.

The 3 year deal fits well for VAN; they are in a strange spot. Their prospect pool (awful at drafting) isn't good, they are cap tight, a fringe Playoff team, and they have a lot of guys a year or two away from UFA.

I'd be surprised if the term really had anything to do with Minnesota. Just filing it away in the back of my mind.

 

[Wabit]

I'd be surprised if the term really had anything to do with Minnesota. Just filing it away in the back of my mind.

I don't see it as a factor at all myself.

Boeser had a stupid high QO $7.5m (or something close) that he could have just kept taking just taken it 2 times and been a UFA in 2 years. I think the 3 year deal was the meet in the middle point for everything.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I wouldn't hate Kessel on that line if they're pretty confident about Rossi at center. Or willing to let him work through the adjustments. Though I guess if it's really bad you could send Rossi back down and just put Gaudreau back in the middle.

Puts Boldy and Rossi in a position ot succeed . Kap line is going to get the other teams shut down, GREEF will take other teams best line, Boldy/Rossi/Kessel would live in the mushy middle until they prove they shouldn't.

No idea where his contract comes in, but less than 4? Maybe.

 

[Wabit]

Puts Boldy and Rossi in a position ot succeed . Kap line is going to get the other teams shut down, GREEF will take other teams best line, Boldy/Rossi/Kessel would live in the mushy middle until they prove they shouldn't.

No idea where his contract comes in, but less than 4? Maybe.

I don't see Kessel being cheap. 52p last season, proven Playoff record, doesn't miss games. He'll be good for at least 60p next year on a good team. His 4.6 s% will rebound back into the 9% to 10% range.

Even at $4m it's too expensive without dumping cap.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I don't see Kessel being cheap. 52p last season, proven Playoff record, doesn't miss games. He'll be good for at least 60p next year on a good team. His 4.6 s% will rebound back into the 9% to 10% range.

Even at $4m it's too expensive without dumping cap.

Ya, I don't know. I'm usaully pretty good at pegging contract terms, but Kessel is a wild card given strength of the forward market, league wide cap issues, his age, and AZ influenced results.

Really curious where he will come in at.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Brought up Kessel about a month ago and someone said that he nixed a trade to Minnesota (Zucker?). Not sure he wants to come here.

 

[AKL]

Wonder what Kessels contract is gonna look like.

Not sure I'd be completely opposed to uniting the Thrills and seeing if Kessel can absorb some of what we lost with Fiala. Play him with Boldy and Rossi at evens, and trigger man on the PP with Zuccerello and Kaprizov.

Still had 50+ points in AZs terrible offense(got a point on 1/4th of their goals) while shooting a career low 4.5%. No way that repeats.

Don't want Kessel anywhere near this team. Lost count of how many times he shanked his shots, gave the puck away with very little pressure, or didn't hustle for anything. And he doesn't play defense. Anyone who thought Fiala was frustrating to watch would peel the skin off their face watching Kessel. Keep him far, far away.

 

[MK9]

Don't want Kessel anywhere near this team. Lost count of how many times he shanked his shots, gave the puck away with very little pressure, or didn't hustle for anything. And he doesn't play defense. Anyone who thought Fiala was frustrating to watch would peel the skin off their face watching Kessel. Keep him far, far away.

Yeah, too much smoke around him having gotten his cups and wanting to essentially coast to retirement with as little effort as possible. Don't know the truth or nuances of it and I don't dislike the guy, but just seems to be a lot of 'I'll do what I want, when I want to do it.' with Phil. Can't imagine that'd go over well in the room.

 

[Vakarte]

Anyone scared of what could happen to Kaprizov this summer?

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Wild Bill offseason

Trade Kulikov/Jost for futures
Sign Comrie 2/$1.25 mil
Sign Middleton 4/$2 mil
Call up Rossi
Trade Addison/#19/#47 for Chychrun
Trade Dumba/4th for Boeser
Sign budget bottom pairing RD for under $1 mil

Kap-Hartman-Zucc
GREEF
Boldy-Rossi-Boeser
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime

Brodin-Chychrun
Middleton-Spurgeon
Goligoski-3rd RHD
Merrill

Talbot
Comrie

I expect none of these trades to happen except Kulikov tbh. Really don’t want Fleury back at what he’ll cost and money could go to better things. Wouldn’t mind finding a way to sign Trocheck if we don’t trade Dumba and we can get him for like $5.25 mil for say 4 years. Money works if you trade Kulikov/Jost and don’t sign another D and keep the rest the same minus the Chyrchrun/Boeser trades.

Kap-Trocheck-Zucc
GREEF
Boldy-Rossi-Hartman
Dewar-Gaudreau-Duhaime

Brodin-Dumba
Middleton-Spurgeon
Goligoski-Addison
Merrill

Talbot
Comrie

Kind of prefer the bottom one if we can upgrade that 3rd pair RHD but only have $1.475 plus Addison $795k to work with in a trade. Maybe add a 2nd round pick to Addison for bigger body LD on an RFA contract since Gogo can play RD?

Something has to give with our LD prospect situation though. We have Lambos, Hunt, ROR, and Peart all pretty well thought of. Do we see one included with a pick or two for an upgrade at 1C? Or in a deal for Chychrun if we trade Dumba?