Here is my list of what I think are likely returns for Helle from the teams interested.
Buffalo
1 of 13th overall, Krebs, Savoie or Ostlund
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
Possibly some picks or B prospects
Detroit
1 of 9th Overall, Kasper, Wallinder
Ville Husso
Possibly some picks or B prospects
NJ
Holtz
Schmid
Possibly some picks or B prospects
Pitts
1 of 14th overall or Pickering
Gauthier
Possibly some picks or B prospects
If we get anymore than that from any of those teams I'd consider it a massive massive win. I think it's also imperative we get some sort of goalie or goalie prospect back in this deal.
As far as rental goes LA, Edmonton, Colorado, Toronto and Ottawa might be interested but the price is likely much lower for that to happen. Probably closer to the range of a late 1st, B prospect and Cap dump.
What do people see in UPL?
What do people see in UPL?
What are the subsequent moves you'd have to our D group?Fair enough.
I wonder if #18 + Heinola for #22 + Sanheim would get anything done. Probably not, but Philly is also on the clock with that NTC, they can't wait forever if they really want to go scorched earth with their rebuild.
I have a feeling that we are going to have to accept less then we think for Helly. Gut feeling no concrete evidence but I thought he would be dealt already unless they are saving it for the draft floor
Have you looked at his numbers?He seems to be a serviceable goalie, a bit inconsistent. I think his inclusion in any Buffalo proposals is just being realistic that Devon Levi is probably not leaving Buffalo in a Hellebuyck.
I'm not giving Helle up for a goalie that might break out.What are the subsequent moves you'd have to our D group?
Would you include MTLs 2024 2nd too if it's too light for PHI?
Heinola, 2024 2nd (probably mid 30s pick), +4 spots in the 1st for Sanheim.
What do people see in UPL?
Trade Dillon for futures (2nd +?), trade Stanley for a nominal return. Since Heinola would already be moved, we can hold on to Chisholm and pray that he makes it through waivers in October. RHDs are locked in. Not much to be done, I'd say. IMO, Dillon and Stanley should be dealt this summer almost regardless of what happens.What are the subsequent moves you'd have to our D group?
Would you include MTLs 2024 2nd too?
What are the subsequent moves you'd have to our D group?
Would you include MTLs 2024 2nd too if it's too light for PHI?
Heinola, 2024 2nd (probably mid 30s pick), +4 spots in the 1st for Sanheim.
A journeyman level goalie with 46 NHL games?He's a decently young journeyman level goalie with some team control that can step in and possibly run with it. 6'4 size is solid, athletic with good movement, handles the puck decently enough (better than Helle). He has had the talent at lower levels but has struggled on a very inconsistent team so there is a chance he can break out with us.
The fact that there is absolutely no way in hell we are getting Levi makes him the next best option from Buffalo if they end up the highest bidder.
Buffalo will be giving away one of UPL or Comrie.
A journeyman level goalie with 46 NHL games?
He is an adequate backup at best and ALL the tenders handle the puck better than Helle.
We disagree.
What about Helle to Buffalo for Buf 13OA, UPL and Krebs
Scheifele + Stanley to Boston for Swayman, Carlo + 2025 3rd Round
Buyout Wheeler
Sign Barbashev + Compher
The LA deal took forever to put together. Chevy doesn't do any trade quickly so I can't see him getting a phone call at our draft table for the biggest asset on the block and just going "hell yeah, let's do this".I have a feeling that we are going to have to accept less then we think for Helly. Gut feeling no concrete evidence but I thought he would be dealt already unless they are saving it for the draft floor
Yeah not sure if Schiefele will stay around or not. I don't mind if he does. Maybe he wants the C to stay as he's been with us since the start and would give him some fuel and fire to play strong all season.If we can get 13th, Krebs and UPL that is a massively solid haul.
I think we may end up holding onto Scheif, just a feeling. But I think going after Sanheim is nice and likely won't cost a tonne honestly.
Wheeler buyout for sure.
Would love either of those players but not entirely sure we are on eithers radar as far as FA destinations go and I'm not a big fan of overpaying for guys like that.
Barbashev is probably getting 6M..Yeah not sure if Schiefele will stay around or not. I don't mind if he does. Maybe he wants the C to stay as he's been with us since the start and would give him some fuel and fire to play strong all season.
I would hope to get Barbashev or Compher (if Schiefele leaves) but like you said not overpay. Maybe like 4 x 3.6m for Barbashev.
someone is going to give him huge dollars or term just off his PO performance. he's a solid player who i liked for us at the TDL - but at the UFA price, pass.Barbashev is probably getting 6M..
Yeah not sure if Schiefele will stay around or not. I don't mind if he does. Maybe he wants the C to stay as he's been with us since the start and would give him some fuel and fire to play strong all season.
I would hope to get Barbashev or Compher (if Schiefele leaves) but like you said not overpay. Maybe like 4 x 3.6m for Barbashev.
Still 22 and only 2 NHL seasons so far. Possible 2nd line upside. He's not the piece I would prefer, but with their 1st, that's a least a realistic return.What is the upside in Krebs?