Trade and FA Rumours 2022/23 Part 2

[Daximus]

Yeah I think top 6 we are good provided Scheifele is back. We need one more good middle 6 RW imo.

We have a lot of options now though. Ehlers, Perfetti, Vilardi, Nino, Barron, Kupari, Apples, Stenlund.

I don't think we need our Wheeler replacement as we likely just got that in Vilardi. I think it's a lot more likely we still need a 2C as both Vilardi and Perfetti have question marks there.

 

[surixon]

We have a lot of options now though. Ehlers, Perfetti, Vilardi, Nino, Barron, Kupari, Apples, Stenlund.

I don't think we need our Wheeler replacement as we likely just got that in Vilardi. I think it's a lot more likely we still need a 2C as both Vilardi and Perfetti have question marks there.

Agreed but I think finding that 2C will be challenging on the market. I think the best bet is to try to develop it in house.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Daximus]

Didn't Schneider bring back a 9th?

He did and that's probably the highest return a goalie has ever brought back. But he was also 3 years younger than Helle and on a 2 year $4m contract.

So if that's the best possible return a goalie has ever gotten then you are likely looking at straight up Krebs or Savoie (Savoie alone is a 9th overall pick) as an equivalent and nothing else. Getting something like UPL as some sort of insurance on top of that would be solid.

Agreed but I think finding that 2C will be challenging on the market. I think the best bet is to try to develop it in house.

Yeah hopefully we can find that between Vilardi, Perfetti, Lambert, McGroarty or Lucius. It's possible we pick someone tonight that has Top 6C upside but they are likely years away so hard to count on them yet.

 

[DRW204]

Friedman saying expect a lot more players to be had basically free like Taylor Hall.

this is why ive been a bit meh on the Iafallo as a trade return.

seems like a solid player for sure, but also probably high abundance in this market. GMs are just giving away players/cap-hits of his type for peanuts ie: Hayes (3.5M) and Johansen (4M).

 

[surixon]

Friedman saying expect a lot more players to be had basically free like Taylor Hall.

this is why ive been a bit meh on the Iafallo as a trade return.

seems like a solid player for sure, but also probably high abundance in this market. GMs are just giving away players/cap-hits of his type for peanuts ie: Hayes (3.5M) and Johansen (4M).

Sure, is market value is likely nil but his on ice value for us should be good. I think that is how we need to look at him.

 

[Huffer]

None of these players are in Jarvis' class. Quinn maybe?
No interest in Krebs at all.

I don't think we're getting a Jarvis for Helle. I think we have to look for a player with Jarvis like potential.

 

[KingBogo]

Didn't Schneider bring back a 9th?

Yep. I kind of see the same with Helly. I think it will be a high rental price, rather then several now players like the PLD deal.

 

[Huffer]

Im not so sure on Krebs. He hasn't done much in the NHL and really doesn't bring anything to the table that we don't have on the wing in superior players in Conner and Ehelers.

I have a few of the other Sabres pieces ahead of him as well, but I think that's generally the range of "young player with upside" that we should be looking at.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

My personal belief is Helly winds up with the Pens for #14 OA tonight.

Same.

 

[Whileee]

I still think we might see Hellebuyck traded for a mid-1st at the draft, but it will depend on who's available on the draft floor. I'm not sure what the Jets are thinking, but I'd be very happy if the Jets could draft Benson or Danielson along with another big F or D at #18.

Scheifele might be a trade later in the summer, after the smoke has cleared a bit and teams can contemplate a contract extension. I still wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that Scheifele extends in Winnipeg, since the Jets can't really contemplate competing without a top-2 C. Looks like Compher is going to be a UFA, and he might be a fit at 2C behind Scheifele. I wouldn't mind this...

Perfetti-Scheifele-Vilardi
Connor-Compher-Ehlers
Iaffalo-Lowry-Niederreiter
Barron-Kupari-Appleton
Gus

Prospects:
F
McGroarty, Benson, Lucius, Lambert, Chibrikov, Zhilkin, Rashevsky

D
Heinola, Chisholm, Salmonsson, Simashev

 

[Maukkis]

Friedman saying expect a lot more players to be had basically free like Taylor Hall.

this is why ive been a bit meh on the Iafallo as a trade return.

seems like a solid player for sure, but also probably high abundance in this market. GMs are just giving away players/cap-hits of his type for peanuts ie: Hayes (3.5M) and Johansen (4M).

You're right, but you've got to remember what we were trading here. There aren't many teams around who could have taken that 8x8.5 without giving salaries back, and Dubois' demands certainly didn't increase that number of teams.

As I've said numerous times, the key is to make sure that 1) the cap dump in question is a productive player, 2) doesn't have egregious term left on his contract, or 3) we get a hefty payment for taking on someone who doesn't tick boxes 1 and 2. With Iafallo, we definitely got someone who can help the team on ice, and two seasons is a manageable contract length. Had we taken on someone like Trevor Moore (5 years left at 4.2), the discussion would have been entirely different.

Many teams will be absolutely f***ed with their middling players making 4-5 million a year, when their new free agents are already trying to get their slice of the rising cap in the coming years. Guys like Hall and Hayes are not going to be the last ones.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Yeah but they have a lot of people still to sign. They also have a lot of rookies with bonuses still.

Highes and Mercer with about 1.4 million of bonuses and Meier at about 9 million eats into that quickly.

They would then need to sign another 6 to 7 roster players to fill our the team.

We could take back Vanecek and Helly is only $6m for next year and then the cap jumps $4m+.

Not interested in Buffalo if Levi isn't coming back.
Helle and a 2nd for Jarvis?

It'd be foolish to turn away Buffalo just because they wouldn't part with Levi. That is obtuse. Tons of assets to choose from in addition to #13.

 

[10Ducky10]

I have a few of the other Sabres pieces ahead of him as well, but I think that's generally the range of "young player with upside" that we should be looking at.

What is the upside in Krebs?

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[DRW204]

fwiw
Jeff Hamilton saying PIT is the team to watch for the Jets.

idk how trustworthy WPG guys are..... Wiebe was the one initially saying Harkins to LA right?

 

[Joe Hallenback]

fwiw
Jeff Hamilton saying PIT is the team to watch for the Jets.

Not surprised. I think the idea of Helly going there is interesting. Trade us the 14th and maybe a guy like Hallander and they likely add some guys in Free agency for a kick at the can again

Though I am hearing rumblings of teams balking at trading those picks in the top 20 but I guess we will find out

 

[Maukkis]

Something about Sanheim is very frightening. He'd be our #2 defenseman, but acquiring him pretty much immediately seals the fate of every LHD prospect that isn't already with the Jets. The contract is OK if he doesn't regress and a nightmare if he does. Also, why does Briere want to get rid of his best defenseman before his contract has even kicked in?

I think they're expecting someone to pay assets for that deal. I would pass, but I would also not be terribly disappointed if we found a cheap deal for him somehow.

 

[DRW204]

Something about Sanheim is very frightening. He'd be our #2 defenseman, but acquiring him pretty much immediately seals the fate of every LHD prospect that isn't already with the Jets. The contract is OK if he doesn't regress and a nightmare if he does. Also, why does Briere want to get rid of his best defenseman before his contract has even kicked in?

I think they're expecting someone to pay assets for that deal. I would pass, but I would also not be terribly disappointed if we found a cheap deal for him somehow.

he may be exploring the market prior to his NTC kicking in and in a v weak UFA Defense market.

they're going hard rebuild and he's probably their best trade asset along w/ konecny. their cleaning up the previous group's players (hayes, provorov, tried getting rid of Deangelo and then potentially sanheim, konecny and hart all rumored to be available) and lessening their salary expenditure.

You're right, but you've got to remember what we were trading here. There aren't many teams around who could have taken that 8x8.5 without giving salaries back, and Dubois' demands certainly didn't increase that number of teams.

As I've said numerous times, the key is to make sure that 1) the cap dump in question is a productive player, 2) doesn't have egregious term left on his contract, or 3) we get a hefty payment for taking on someone who doesn't tick boxes 1 and 2. With Iafallo, we definitely got someone who can help the team on ice, and two seasons is a manageable contract length. Had we taken on someone like Trevor Moore (5 years left at 4.2), the discussion would have been entirely different.

Many teams will be absolutely f***ed with their middling players making 4-5 million a year, when their new free agents are already trying to get their slice of the rising cap in the coming years. Guys like Hall and Hayes are not going to be the last ones.

i'm not disputing his on-ice value. his trade-value in a return for a team is basically nothing that's all im saying.

 

[gojetsgo]

Something about Sanheim is very frightening. He'd be our #2 defenseman, but acquiring him pretty much immediately seals the fate of every LHD prospect that isn't already with the Jets. The contract is OK if he doesn't regress and a nightmare if he does. Also, why does Briere want to get rid of his best defenseman before his contract has even kicked in?

I think they're expecting someone to pay assets for that deal. I would pass, but I would also not be terribly disappointed if we found a cheap deal for him somehow.

they are going into a rebuild and he's 27 and they want to trade him before his ntc kicks in

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Something about Sanheim is very frightening. He'd be our #2 defenseman, but acquiring him pretty much immediately seals the fate of every LHD prospect that isn't already with the Jets. The contract is OK if he doesn't regress and a nightmare if he does. Also, why does Briere want to get rid of his best defenseman before his contract has even kicked in?

I think they're expecting someone to pay assets for that deal. I would pass, but I would also not be terribly disappointed if we found a cheap deal for him somehow.

They want to clear the decks and rebuild completely. My guess the Jets wanted him because of that contract. They don't want to give up a 1st for him though but my guess is they might be willing to give up Heinola for him

 

[Daximus]

Here is my list of what I think are likely returns for Helle from the teams interested.

Buffalo
1 of 13th overall, Krebs, Savoie or Ostlund
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
Possibly some picks or B prospects

Detroit
1 of 9th Overall, Kasper, Wallinder
Ville Husso
Possibly some picks or B prospects

NJ
Holtz
Schmid
Possibly some picks or B prospects

Pitts
1 of 14th overall or Pickering
Gauthier
Possibly some picks or B prospects

If we get anymore than that from any of those teams I'd consider it a massive massive win. I think it's also imperative we get some sort of goalie or goalie prospect back in this deal.

As far as rental goes LA, Edmonton, Colorado, Toronto and Ottawa might be interested but the price is likely much lower for that to happen. Probably closer to the range of a late 1st, B prospect and Cap dump.

 

[Maukkis]

They want to clear the decks and rebuild completely. My guess the Jets wanted him because of that contract. They don't want to give up a 1st for him though but my guess is they might be willing to give up Heinola for him

Fair enough.

I wonder if #18 + Heinola for #22 + Sanheim would get anything done. Probably not, but Philly is also on the clock with that NTC, they can't wait forever if they really want to go scorched earth with their rebuild.

 

[Daximus]

They want to clear the decks and rebuild completely. My guess the Jets wanted him because of that contract. They don't want to give up a 1st for him though but my guess is they might be willing to give up Heinola for him

Yeah if we can get Sanheim for Heinola I consider that a solid move. We no longer have a logjam really if we move Heinola.

 

[10Ducky10]

Hart and Sanheim for our first and Stanley?