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Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

LeafEgo said:
The traditional fears of a 'rookie GM' in this town don't really apply to Trotz. I don't know if he's GM material (those who should know should know), but he's not new to the big leagues and there arnt concerns about his ability to command respect, lead, and build an appropriate culture for the organization. He won't have a learning curve trying to figure out what it takes to win.

Maybe GM'ing isn't his strong suit but nothing to do with being a 'rookie'. In my humble opinion.
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I think he would be successful at some point but maybe not right off the bat. To my knowledge he has no experience negotiating contracts, making trade calls, knowing the ins and outs of the cap, waivers etc.

Dubas had at least worked as a player agent, managed an OHL franchise, and AHL team and was groomed for the job for 3 yrs under Lou before becoming an NHL GM.
 
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I'm glad the inmates aren't running the asylum.

There are so many bad ideas here that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I think the premise that Dubas needs to be fired because the Leafs had 105 points when he took it over is absurd. He has improved the team year after year, and that's harder to do as they keep getting closer to the top.

I don't know what any of the other people named as candidates have done that would make them presumptively better than Dubas, except for the fact that they don't already work for the Leafs.

Kyle Dubas is one of the better young hockey executives in the NHL. If the Leafs let him go he would likely be hired on very quickly by another franchise.

I'm very doubtful that the Leafs would be any better off by changing managers.
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
I think he would be successful at some point but maybe not right off the bat. To my knowledge he has no experience negotiating contracts, making trade calls, knowing the ins and outs of the cap, waivers etc.

Dubas had at least worked as a player agent, managed an OHL franchise, and AHL team and was groomed for the job for 3 yrs under Lou before becoming an NHL GM.
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Yeah, there are some execution skills he needs to have but they should be able to vet him for that and in some cases it's about putting the right support structure in place. He's got the big picture stuff.
 
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Probably depends on which direction the team wants to go. Some important moves will be in order if the plan is to change the identity of the team. In that case I’d feel better with a veteran in charge. If for some reason there is a desire to remain on the current path there would be a larger pool of candidates. That person then has to fill a few spots lower in the lineup and in net with little cap. No easy task but not the challenge of changing the culture which will require trading a big name and quite possibly more for not only fair value but also players possessing the right stuff.
Make no mistake, if the level of change that many feel is necessary happens, this is an immensely important time for our Leafs.
 
Ciao said:
Kyle Dubas is one of the better young hockey executives in the NHL. If the Leafs let him go he would likely be hired on very quickly by another franchise.

I'm very doubtful that the Leafs would be any better off by changing managers.
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All may be true, but this is the world of sports where every other team has this thing called accountability. For all the moves he's made, all the assets he's given up Dubas' really solid regular season team has won one playoff round. That's a huge failure.

Any other pro franchise in any other sport and Dubas probably doesn't last this long. Great future for him, fine, but you can't reward failure by extending his contract. Time to give someone else a crack at running it (and given the Leafs' luck almost certainly watch Dubas go and win a Cup in 3-5 years with another team, likely a Canadian one).

Now if you're in the boat that Dubas has too much promise to let go, then MLSE/Shanny have to make it clear major changes are mandatory. That includes replacing Keefe and breaking up the core. I could probably buy into that - for the failure this organization has become, anything less than holding big names accountable should be acceptable.
 
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kevsh said:
All may be true, but this is the world of sports where every other team has this thing called accountability.
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That’s a leaf’s fan view.

MLSE is making lots of money (the real reason they exist) and past that the importance factor drops off drastically.
 
HamiltonNHL said:
That’s a leaf’s fan view.

MLSE is making lots of money (the real reason they exist) and past that the importance factor drops off drastically.
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It’s too bad we couldn’t do a Matthews + for Bedard, and Marner for a power forward and a D man.
 
TorMapleJays said:
It’s too bad we couldn’t do a Matthews + for Bedard, and Marner for a power forward and a D man.
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Dubas didn’t sign the core before “getting JT for free”.

Fatal mistake.

Our core can’t drive replacement players to victory. And that’s all we have cap space for.

Matthews is about home and family and he’ll love playing in the desert.
 
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Ciao said:
I'm glad the inmates aren't running the asylum.

There are so many bad ideas here that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I think the premise that Dubas needs to be fired because the Leafs had 105 points when he took it over is absurd. He has improved the team year after year, and that's harder to do as they keep getting closer to the top.

I don't know what any of the other people named as candidates have done that would make them presumptively better than Dubas, except for the fact that they don't already work for the Leafs.

Kyle Dubas is one of the better young hockey executives in the NHL. If the Leafs let him go he would likely be hired on very quickly by another franchise.

I'm very doubtful that the Leafs would be any better off by changing managers.
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Where to begin... lol
 
HamiltonNHL said:
That’s a leaf’s fan view.

MLSE is making lots of money (the real reason they exist) and past that the importance factor drops off drastically.
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Sorry, that's a lame take. Given the boatloads of money they make from each home playoff game, the owners absolutely want to see playoff success. That, as you say, is why they exist.
 
Riders on the Storm said:
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Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

The Toronto Maple Leafs are not sure who the general manager will be next season. Current GM Kyle Dubas is in the final year of his contract.
editorinleaf.com editorinleaf.com

Toronto Maple Leafs fans are not sure who the general manager will be next season.

Current Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas is in the final year of his contract and is a lame duck situation.

Kyle Dubas’ future with the Leafs may already be decided for all anyone knows, though some insist that it will come down to how well the team performs in the 2023 NHL playoffs.

Another first-round exit would likely end his tenure as Toronto’s GM, however, its going to depend on how the team performs overall.

Dubas has spent the past few seasons putting together a talented Toronto team, only to see it fail in the playoffs. This season, more than others, there is a lot at stake for Dubas and his team.

If this is indeed Dubas’ last season as the GM in Toronto, it may also be Shanahan’s.

Here are a few options the Leafs could explore, if necessary.

Toronto Maple Leafs Future GM Options​

There will be no shortage of possibilities for Shanahan when selecting the next general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. It is a pretty coveted job within the NHL. So, when the time comes to hire a new GM, who will he choose?

Brandon Pridham​

Brandon Pridham is the current Assistant GM to Kyle Dubas and the wizard behind Toronto’s salary cap. His knowledge of Toronto’s salary cap future and the players makes him a great candidate. The big question will be whether or not he stays with the team or decides to follow Dubas to Dubas’ next landing spot. If he stays, he’s at the top of the list for Dubas’s replacement.

Ryan Hardy​

Ryan Hardy is the current general manager of the Toronto Marlies and is an assistant GM to Kyle Dubas. Hardy has held the position of Marlies GM since June 25th, 2021. He has a good working knowledge of Toronto’s prospects and what this team needs moving forward.

Doug Gilmour​

Former Toronto Maple Leafs captain Doug Gilmour is a fan favourite in Toronto. He was a very hard-working player and knows what it takes to win. From 2011 to 2017, Gilmour was the GM of the Kingston Frontenacs in the OHL. He acted as team president for Kingston from 2017 to 2019 before leaving the team to join the Toronto Maple Leafs as a community representative. There is no telling how well Gilmour would do as the GM in Toronto, but he would be starting with a talented roster.

Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser​

Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser is currently an assistant GM with the Toronto Maple Leafs in charge of player development. She knows a thing or two about winning. As a member of Canada’s women’s hockey team, Wickenheiser won four Olympic gold medals and one Olympic silver medal.

She also helped Team Canada win seven gold medals at the World Championships, along with six silver medals. Her role in player development would be an asset if Shanahan decides it’s time for her to be promoted.
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IF he's replaced, and now that he's beat Tampa I'm not convinced he will be.

How about somebody with credibility
 
I said it in another thread, I'd love to see Sean Burke get a chance. I think he'd build a team properly, from the net out. And with forwards that play a complete game
 
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JKG33 said:
I said it in another thread, I'd love to see Sean Burke get a chance. I think he'd build a team properly, from the net out. And with forwards that play a complete game
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I think Lou Lam's Joe Woll is the real deal.
 
JKG33 said:
I said it in another thread, I'd love to see Sean Burke get a chance. I think he'd build a team properly, from the net out. And with forwards that play a complete game
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Sean Burke, Craig Conroy or Loungo comes to mind
 
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