Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

[Ianturnedbull]

There is so much shit to do. I doubt they clean house just for that reason.

7 Free agents.
Dubas contract expiring.
Fire Keefe?
Hire new coach?
Hire new GM?
New president?
Mathew’s contract? Sign long term?
NMC kicking Jul 1.
Draft?
Free agency?
What’s the vision or philosophy moving forward?

Too much all that once. For that reason I think they will run it back.

Well...thank goodness this is a multibillion dollar corporation that can get most of that in place in a few weeks.

Have faith.

 

[justashadowof]

No stats geeks put in charge. First of all, the people who are knowledgable in such minutia of numerical detail lack in other personality and social skills necessary to be an effective manager of people and negotiator. This isn't some outright rejection of that sort of input but it's time to de-emphasize that crap. The Leafs' possession stats in the Florida were through the roof and they nearly got swept. The Leafs need someone who is good at maintaining good relations with the NHL head office, with NHL colleagues, not prone to tantrums, has a sense of humour and is politically savvy in dealing with the media.

 

[hockeynorth]

IMO the top candidate is Alex Mandrycky out of Seattle if Dubas goes, but I think fans will hate her

 

[Apex Predator]

I hear people saying Brad Treliving and what’s interesting about him is wherever he ends up would be his second ever GM gig. People are worried about how Dubas figured it out and he will do good with he second team from learning his past mistakes. Does that same thing apply to Treliving whoever he goes?

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Wilson, Marleau and Thornton. No thanks.

You dont know hockey then pal

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I hear people saying Brad Treliving and what’s interesting about him is wherever he ends up would be his second ever GM gig. People are worried about how Dubas figured it out and he will do good with he second team from learning his past mistakes. Does that same thing apply to Treliving whoever he goes?

That would imply that Treliving actually figured it out in Calgary.

 

[DuklaNation]

Anyone who knows hockey knows you have to blend in more physical players with that finesse 4 they got in their core. Dubas failed miserably in this respect. Getting Murray who has more 1 year was a f***ing disaster and just plain stupid.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

If thats the pool they have I would sooner have Dubas back. No more learn on the job candidates except maybe the kid from Carolina who is coming from an organization that does more with less every year. If they move on from Kyle they are better off bringing in a fresh perspective.

I personally don't want any of the stink from the current management group to affect the new brass. If you are going to go as far as firing Dubas...get rid of everyone and their distorted views on what a team should look like. It's a situation where an up and coming Assistant GM with years of experience learning the in's and out's of team building from a successful organization is a must and would do wonders. The problem with the current brass is that it's an echo chamber...they all agree that they built a proper team and can't understand why it didn't work.

When anonymous GM's were saying that what the Leafs were doing with both Cap and player selection wasn't going to work...we were told they were just part of the old dinosaur brigade that was just jealous...or maybe they knew it wouldn't work because it was too flawed of an idea.

Speaking of Eakins. Does he ever smile? I have heard him on CBC during the playoffs. He appears to have zero personality. I can’t imagine playing for him.

I thought the Uncle Fester looking dude from Detroit had some character and knowledge. Eakins...I can see why he is not very successful. He is like dry toast.

 

[TheDoldrums]

you have got to be kidding with Treliving. The guy who just spent $17.5M a year until the end of time for the decline phases of Huberdeau and Kadri? When we've spent 5 years listening to people complain that Dubas got worked on the Nylander contract? Like holy crap, I don't think we absolutely have to stay with Dubas but Treliving has literally made the same mistakes only 10x worse.

 

[Menzinger]

I hear people saying Brad Treliving and what’s interesting about him is wherever he ends up would be his second ever GM gig. People are worried about how Dubas figured it out and he will do good with he second team from learning his past mistakes. Does that same thing apply to Treliving whoever he goes?

That's fair. But ultimately what's the reason in favor of Trevling?

 

[Apex Predator]

That's fair. But ultimately what's the reason in favor of Trevling?

I have no opinion of him just hear people throwing his name out. Just thought it was intersting it would be his second team he would GM. Wonder what the success of GM’s on there second go around?

 

[authentic]

you have got to be kidding with Treliving. The guy who just spent $17.5M a year until the end of time for the decline phases of Huberdeau and Kadri? When we've spent 5 years listening to people complain that Dubas got worked on the Nylander contract? Like holy crap, I don't think we absolutely have to stay with Dubas but Treliving has literally made the same mistakes only 10x worse.

These are the ideas people come up with when emotions ravage their brains. All logic ceases to exist.

 

[therealkoho]

My dad. He said that if he were in charge, they would have won 3 Cups already. He also said he's a better coach. So we could kill two birds with one stone.

A lot of people could have obviously done a better job than Dubas, as far as coaching goes I don't think anyone could have coached this team into the finals.

It wasn't the X's and O's that was the problem, it was all about who was actually in charge inside that room. When they made Keefe supplicate himself in front of the media and spew that apologia inre "wrong words" I almost puked. I knew right then and there that the team and upper management were done, it totally stunk of no cups and everything being broken.

The only reason Keefe would have embarrassed himself like that is because he was ordered to do so. The only reason he was ordered to do so is because the management who'd been bent over before took the players side again. Keefe himself was no better but if he quit there would be no payout of contract, he should have refused and took the firing.

Only in Toronto I suppose!

 

[ToneDog]

you have got to be kidding with Treliving. The guy who just spent $17.5M a year until the end of time for the decline phases of Huberdeau and Kadri? When we've spent 5 years listening to people complain that Dubas got worked on the Nylander contract? Like holy crap, I don't think we absolutely have to stay with Dubas but Treliving has literally made the same mistakes only 10x worse.

Getting UFAs to sign in Calgary appears to be very hard. Their two best players bolted for a reason and signed team friendly deals elsewhere.

 

[hullsy47]

Speaking of Eakins. Does he ever smile? I have heard him on CBC during the playoffs. He appears to have zero personality. I can’t imagine playing for him.

He works for cheap .

 

[PromisedLand]

They should hire me I called it long ago not to F around with what Dubas did. Should have kept the roster the same while holding on to picks and see if they could win a round before making heavy investment

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On a serious note we need a new voice and new direction. Dubas ain't it.

 

[GojuLeaf]

Well...thank goodness this is a multibillion dollar corporation that can get most of that in place in a few weeks.

Have faith.

Your faith is misplaced, giant corporations take longer, not less time, to make changes.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Your faith is misplaced, giant corporations take longer, not less time, to make changes.

How so?

 

[Trapper]

How so?

I would imagine a private owner could wake up tomorrow and say that’s it. Change.
Corporations need meetings and votes and then more meetings to do things.

 

[mydnyte]

Anyone who knows hockey knows you have to blend in more physical players with that finesse 4 they got in their core. Dubas failed miserably in this respect. Getting Murray who has more 1 year was a f***ing disaster and just plain stupid.

if the medical staff examined and cleared Murray, they deserve to be fired, was had some solid runs when he was healthy, which was not often. i was expecting him to be a disaster, and he wasnt, until after that first injury.

 

[Nooodles]

Doug Wilson, Treliving, Q

Jesus f***ing christ

this and the whole thread is a freaking joke

 

[Torontonian]

Should be no one, Dubas is good at drafting, has a decent track record for trading, good at fixing his mistakes such as Mrazek and Ritchie in quick order before it's too late to do so, and has understood the problems of the team and has gone out to try to address them. Don't think theres a GM out there that's a upgrade on Dubas.

If I had a choice, probably 1) David Polie, 2) Brad Trevling, 3) Dough Wilson, if you are going to make a change at GM, you need a GM that has the balls to make tough choices. Both have done so before.

I think Trevling got a raw deal in Calgary towards then end with his owners, forced to hire Sutter and then having essentially his team quit on the coach to get him fired. Was never able to see the full potential of his team.

 

[francis246]

I would imagine a private owner could wake up tomorrow and say that’s it. Change.
Corporations need meetings and votes and then more meetings to do things.

I’ve always agreed with this. If the Leafs had a private owner I’d think we’d have a cup by now.

 

[Gabriel426]

you have got to be kidding with Treliving. The guy who just spent $17.5M a year until the end of time for the decline phases of Huberdeau and Kadri? When we've spent 5 years listening to people complain that Dubas got worked on the Nylander contract? Like holy crap, I don't think we absolutely have to stay with Dubas but Treliving has literally made the same mistakes only 10x worse.

But you can't pin him on that bc the Flames lost Tkachuk and Johnny and needed to replace them

 

[PromisedLand]

Should be no one, Dubas is good at drafting, has a decent track record for trading, good at fixing his mistakes such as Mrazek and Ritchie in quick order before it's too late to do so, and has understood the problems of the team and has gone out to try to address them. Don't think theres a GM out there that's a upgrade on Dubas.

If I had a choice, probably 1) David Polie, 2) Brad Trevling, 3) Dough Wilson, if you are going to make a change at GM, you need a GM that has the balls to make tough choices. Both have done so before.

I think Trevling got a raw deal in Calgary towards then end with his owners, forced to hire Sutter and then having essentially his team quit on the coach to get him fired. Was never able to see the full potential of his team.

Dubas sucks at drafts