I don't think people have a grasp on how many NMC clauses exist in the NHL... I see it being a big complaint today
Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?
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I don't think people have a grasp on how many NMC clauses exist in the NHL... I see it being a big complaint today
Kyle Dubas contract: What to know about Leafs GM's deal heading into 2023 offseason | Sporting News Canada
Will the Leafs re-sign Kyle Dubas?
Dubas was not the reason the Maple Leafs lost in the 2023 postseason. He pushed a lot of the right buttons last offseason and at the 2023 deadline, but the players couldn't get it done.
That doesn't mean Dubas is off the hook. When evaluating his performance, the Leafs have to look at his five years in charge.
Dubas has had his misses. The Nazem Kadri trade ended up being a disaster. The acquisition of Matt Murray has proved questionable. The deal for Nick Foligno at the 2021 trade deadline didn't pan out. There are critiques to be made of the expensive contracts handed to Mitch Marner and William Nylander.
But Dubas has also found players on bargain deals, a critical strategy considering how much of the cap is tied to four or five players. Michael Bunting, for all his faults, makes less than $1 million. Mark Giordano is on the decline, but he took a hometown discount to stay. The team got three years of Ilya Mikheyev making under $2 million.
He also has followed a pattern of not handing out many long-term deals. The core is an obvious exception, but Dubas let a number of players walk in free agency. Jack Campbell, Zach Hyman, Jake Gardiner, James van Riemsdyk and Mikheyev are just a few who received longer, more lucrative deals elsewhere.
The team is much better than when Dubas inherited the roster. Since the 2018-19 season, the Leafs own the fifth-best record in the NHL. The success hasn't translated to the playoffs, however.
If the Leafs let Dubas go, plenty of other teams will be interested in securing his services. He will have a front-office position, in Toronto or elsewhere, come this fall.
Lemontree
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Doesn’t seem like that’s worked too well for the Flyers. Any examples of quick changes being successful?
Until MLSE came along the single owner Leafs weren’t any more successful than the corporate owned Leafs.
IMO, non hockey people making hockey decisions is a bad idea.
Menzinger
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People only think about the positives for this sort of stuff, and ignore the multiple downsides.
Single owners definitely are far more interventionist in hockey operations. They also tend to be more sensitive about their willingness to spend if their other business ventures come under pressure
He's capable of playing on the right, and has spent most of his career playing on that side even if he's technically not right handed.
Like get fines for telling the World the refs sucks.I know who he is.
What does he do that is different?
Will demand that nobody is safe unless they win the Championship. We are talking about an owner who didn’t resign Steve Nash and Nash ended up winning back to back MVPs.
Pretty much that.
That’s the only thing I think the diff between Single owner Vs Corp. it is taking it more personal, it could be good or bad though.
I am just going to use Cuban, if Cuban is our owner, I am pretty sure two or three of the big four would be gone. Cuban is really boom or bust, he will keep tinkering the lineup till they win the Cup.
In short, Cuban would rather be in the draft lottery than losing in the first round, in hindsight, that’s great. In reality, it is hell for the fans bc the team will sell at TDL as long as they think they are not good enough to win the Cup.
I do like the fact that he calls refs and leagues out though
I just think there’s more accountability with a single owner IMO. Things are more personal, lack of success would be a bigger issue for a single owner. Just feel like there would be real change. But I get there a negatives that come with it. The best solution would be a single owner who lets the president of hockey ops run the show.
When is the post mortem conference? When does Dubas speak? When does Shannahan speak? Where is Larry Tanenbaum?
socko
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I hope them not speaking is a good sign. A sign that they're all getting fired.
trellaine201
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Ya. You would think these guys would have some idea before they speak.
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The President runs things now though which I agree is ideal.
It’s very hard to be successful and it’s very easy for it to go wrong. I believe you put good hockey people in place and trust that they will get it done, realizing that it could take time.
One thing that can quickly change a teams fortune is changing the coach. Leafs have never been shy on doing that.
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I think Dubas has built decent lineups for a few years now, but the coach has failed to get the best out of the players. I think Keefe should leave, some of his decisions are very confusing, like the love he has for holl, playing kerfoot in positions where he should be producing, but never actually doing so. Making sure that he punishes nylander for mistakes, but never Mathews and marner. I was a fan at the beginning but I got to the point where I don't see Keefe as a coach who has a plan. Outcoached many times.
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How about this Eric Tulsky guy that the Penguins are interested in. Should be a pretty easy sell to convince him the Leafs GM spot is a better gig. Ph.D in chemistry. Replace a fake nerd with fake glasses with a real nerd with no glasses.
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Brodie is not a Right Handed D, he shoots left handed. He plays the right side but that doesn’t make him a RHD.
Explain to me what you think the H stands for in RHD?
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
The two teams from the 2021 Finals, Phoenix and Milwaukee (Mike Budenholzer's Bucks defeated Williams' Suns four games to two), fired their coaches after falling short of expectations in the 2023 playoffs.
The Suns fired Williams on Saturday, two days after their elimination by the Denver Nuggets.
Wow two good regular season teams firing their coaches after disappointing playoffs.
Heads need to role soon at MLSEL after 5 consecutive disappointing playoffs under Dubas.
The Suns fired Williams on Saturday, two days after their elimination by the Denver Nuggets.
Wow two good regular season teams firing their coaches after disappointing playoffs.
Heads need to role soon at MLSEL after 5 consecutive disappointing playoffs under Dubas.
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This is the move. Apparently he’s the real brains behind the operation in Carolina.
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well then, they really need to re-assess this part of their staff, because critical decisions are being made based on their evaluations, and when they are bad, we pay the price.
Foligno was one of my top targets, but, if there was any doubt about his health that should have been brought forward, and the pick could have been used elsewhere.
if/when the medical staff gives bad intel, it also makes the GM look bad, and can cost them their jobs (and the coaches too as a result of not having the expected player available)
TheDoldrums
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Definitely. But I don't realistically see MLSE thinking "Dubas wasn't nerdy and analytics-based enough, get me Tulsky." I fear a replacement will be more likely be a reactionary swing in the opposite direction.
socko
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Is Dubas really analytics based though. Does his analytics tell him to keep trying with the same guys who fail him again and again? I think a lot about Dubas is fake. He fell in love with his players and thought he could turn them into winners. Not even close to reality.
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This would be an intersting hire. The move is to poach other successfuls teams management.
