Toronto has scored 11PPGs since Marner injury

[hotpaws]

alright, if you can’t name any players outside of Marner it’s probably not happening in the way your suggesting it is

do you think Ottawa would have recalled Murray and given him another chance if he was paid peanuts ? the guys been a sieve for years yet keeps getting played because of the money he makes and last night was just his latest brutal game

Ritchie would have been waived and buried if he made 1m per

the list of players who keep getting opportunities based on their salaries is long if you wanted to go through the leagues rosters

 

[Griffin76]

Did y'all just spend an entire Sunday afternoon micro-analyzing last night's powerplay opportunities?

Leafs won handily. Gotta find something to complain about.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Wasnt even 9.
Given Columbus approached the Marners agent with feelers out for an offer sheet, Marner definitively left money on the table by not even entertaining the offer. For those who think differently, it was widely reported that they did approach and it was widely known that due to draft pick restrictions, the only offer could have been in excess of 10.5mm. Likely over 11. Kid gave the team a home town discount. Dubas was lucky not to get burned by more due to his stupidity.

If satire, this is one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum. If real, it's one of the worst posts I've ever read on this forum.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Pretty clear Dubas was in over his head in the negotiations with the 3 amigos. I believe even he admitted it. At the end of the day the team needs a good playoff run or it might/should be the end of Marner the Leaf.

Yes, he did admit it. Literally said that he's learning as he goes.

 

[francis246]

Wasnt even 9.
Given Columbus approached the Marners agent with feelers out for an offer sheet, Marner definitively left money on the table by not even entertaining the offer. For those who think differently, it was widely reported that they did approach and it was widely known that due to draft pick restrictions, the only offer could have been in excess of 10.5mm. Likely over 11. Kid gave the team a home town discount. Dubas was lucky not to get burned by more due to his stupidity.

on Steve dangle podcast they said Columbus offered 13 million.

 

[francis246]

This is point that I have been trying to make

okay I’m sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to say, I apologize

 

[blue stick]

Leafs won handily. Gotta find something to complain about.

Marner haters furious that Leafs didn't win 10-0

 

[Throw More Waffles]

on Steve dangle podcast they said Columbus offered 13 million.

According to who? Steve Dangle? What was their source?

Dubas took heat league wide for the unprecedented dramatic overpayment of Marner.

Just imagine... just imagine that the contract was 2 mil more AS WELL AS losing 4 first round picks. You think that gm would get by without getting immediately shit canned?

Completely unfeasible and irrational.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pretty clear Dubas was in over his head in the negotiations with the 3 amigos. I believe even he admitted it. At the end of the day the team needs a good playoff run or it might/should be the end of Marner the Leaf.

He didn't even do badly with Nylander and Matthhews IMO and certainly many worse contracts have been signed around the league. The Marner contract was a clear mistake though, it was widely viewed as such from the moment it was signed and the fact that there are some people so vigorously arguing that that contract wasn't a mistake at all is just ... SMH.

Even Zeke, the biggest Dubas fanboy in existence admitted that the Marner contract was a mistake, that should tell people something right there.

 

[Racer88]

okay I’m sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to say, I apologize

It’s all good…….I’m just not as eloquent as the other poster. Lol

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Does anyone know the stat for Tavares' faceoff percentage to open up PPs? I feel like that is pretty low, I swear it seems like he'll lose maybe 3 out of every 4.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this. I know JT is a great face off guy in general, but for some reason it feels like a vast majority of the opening PP faceoffs are losses. Would rather Matthews take them at this point.

 

[Antropovsky]

According to who? Steve Dangle? What was their source?

Dubas took heat league wide for the unprecedented dramatic overpayment of Marner.

Just imagine... just imagine that the contract was 2 mil more AS WELL AS losing 4 first round picks. You think that gm would get by without getting immediately shit canned?

Completely unfeasible and irrational.

If there was a better offer on the table Ferris and Marner would not have passed on telling the world about it. They kept mentioning other offers but never said they were better than the one he took from his hometown and team that drafted him. I recall Marner even pretended that he didn't even let Ferris present the offersheets to him. He was so darn loyal to his leafs!

But I digress, let's keep it about the pp.

 

[francis246]

I don't have any inside info but I think you might be referring to rumours about what went on a year before the actual signing. Regardless of what happened back then, the contract when signed was an overpayment.

It’s been mentioned by various podcast that the number was 13 mill

 

[Canadian Finn]

well if the podcasts said so, it must be true.

 

[francis246]

According to who? Steve Dangle? What was their source?

Dubas took heat league wide for the unprecedented dramatic overpayment of Marner.

Just imagine... just imagine that the contract was 2 mil more AS WELL AS losing 4 first round picks. You think that gm would get by without getting immediately shit canned?

Completely unfeasible and irrational.

I don’t think it’s irrational at all. CBJ was throwing picks around to try and win a cup with Duchene and that group anyways. Also in order to have a successful offer sheet, you need to pay the player well over market value to even get him to consider leaving. So yes I do think he was offered anywhere from 12million to 13 million. It’s easy to say in hindsight that’s a bad deal but he was coming off 90 plus points CBJ was in win now mode and they needed scoring bad, it’s no secret.

 

[francis246]

well if the podcasts said so, it must be true.

Im sorry but who would I rather trust? Some arm chair GM’s on HF boards who know f*** all and pretend like they know everything about things behind the scenes which is completely laughable or people who actually work in the industry and are connected. It’s not just Steve dangle podcast, even overdrive has talked about it, Dreger, CJ, Friedman had talked about it. The CBJ offer sheet happened, Marner didn’t accept. No way to know the exact number for sure, but it does seem like it was higher than what he signed for in Toronto. And just because he decided not sign it doesn’t mean it’s not true

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I don’t think it’s irrational at all. CBJ was throwing picks around to try and win a cup with Duchene and that group anyways. Also in order to have a successful offer sheet, you need to pay the player well over market value to even get him to consider leaving. So yes I do think he was offered anywhere from 12million to 13 million. It’s easy to say in hindsight that’s a bad deal but he was coming off 90 plus points CBJ was in win now mode and they needed scoring bad, it’s no secret.

4 first round picks eh? lol. As well as a yearly aav overpayment of about 3-4 million.

Absolute lunacy.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Im sorry but who would I rather trust? Some arm chair GM’s on HF boards who know f*** all and pretend like they know everything about things behind the scenes which is completely laughable or people who actually work in the industry and are connected. It’s not just Steve dangle podcast, even overdrive has talked about it, Dreger, CJ, Friedman had talked about it. The CBJ offer sheet happened, Marner didn’t accept. No way to know the exact number for sure, but it does seem like it was higher than what he signed for in Toronto. And just because he decided not sign it doesn’t mean it’s not true

I thought you said it was $13M?

 

[francis246]

I thought you said it was $13M?

that is the number they reported

 

[francis246]

4 first round picks eh? lol. As well as a yearly aav overpayment of about 3-4 million.

Absolute lunacy.

why wouldn’t they? Isnt the compensation at 10.9 the same as 13? So at that point it doesn’t matter. The whole point of the offer sheet is to make it so the other team doesn’t match, which is why I actually believe the story.

 

[Canadian Finn]

that is the number they reported

if that "report" was true, Marner and fam would never (ever) have passed that up.

Just think of all the holiday cheer he could have spread with those funds.

 

[francis246]

if that "report" was true, Marner would and fam would never (ever) have passed that up.

Just think of all the holiday cheer he could have spread with those funds.

Sorry do you know Marner personally? You think he’s the first and only person to say no to a better offer sheet. LOL narrow minded leafs board.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

why wouldn’t they? Isnt the compensation at 10.9 the same as 13? So at that point it doesn’t matter. The whole point of the offer sheet is to make it so the other team doesn’t match, which is why I actually believe the story.

So they were willing to offer Marner 13 mil (and 4 first round picks) but not Rantanen 10 mil (2 first round picks). Wow. That sure seems smart of them.

Completely made up narrative to rationalize a rookie gm that didn't know what he was doing.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It’s been mentioned by various podcast that the number was 13 mill

Not sure how much trust I'd place in some podcast but even if true, it doesn't change the fact that Marner's contract is an overpayment.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Gentlemen we have our opinions on the MM contract - the way they've utilized him on the PP though is highly questionable. Not doing anyone any favours and especially Mitch. Come up.with some bs excuse to move him to pp2 but let him.get his confidence back there. Confidence is huge with him. Not only confidence he needs the fan support