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Magua
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Giroux had a down year this year. The team fought through scoring ineptitude early, Voracek at the same time had a down year, Giroux is heavily depended on as a 2-way player -- not a sheltered scorer -- because he's a terrific one, and he had a bad hip injury which completely nerfed him down the stretch and required surgery. Down years happen, and this one had its reasons.
But reports of his decline are just ridiculous. I guess guys like Tavares are in decline too after his past season. Of course he's exiting his peak years soon, but decline? Please. In the 3 seasons before this one, he finished #10, #3, #13 in scoring on some pretty mediocre teams. He still finished top 20 this year. It's also incredibly disingenuous to say his scoring is declining while ignoring that, concurrently, league scoring is declining.
But reports of his decline are just ridiculous. I guess guys like Tavares are in decline too after his past season. Of course he's exiting his peak years soon, but decline? Please. In the 3 seasons before this one, he finished #10, #3, #13 in scoring on some pretty mediocre teams. He still finished top 20 this year. It's also incredibly disingenuous to say his scoring is declining while ignoring that, concurrently, league scoring is declining.
No, it is not the same thing.
Dude I get it, you looked at the stats and honestly believe what you are saying, but listen to us when we tell you you are wrong. Quit while you're ahead.
Just go easy on the overhype of Giroux and trashing the leaf players. I was just being honest. Giroux 3 or 4 years from now at 8 mil is not a fit for the leafs.
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http://thehockeywriters.com/why-nazem-kadri-is-better-than-you-think/
Nazem Kadri is better than you think.
Nazem Kadri is better than you think.
Tripod
I hate this team
HAHAHAHA....read the Kadri article and you will see this little gem....honestly, I am not joking:
"Because, frankly, Nazem Kadri is an elite #1 NHL centre and a player the Leafs should build around."
On a separate note:
Michael Del Zotto is better than you think.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/20...s-season-review-michael-del-zotto-report-card
Mason is better than you think:
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...g&aggregate=1&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,80&pos=G
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flyersfan018
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You can say he's not a fit, sure. To say he's on the decline because you only look at his points totals is just flat out wrong and really shows your ignorance on the topic.
If we look at Kadri’s possession numbers, his scoring-chances attempts, his scoring-chance differential, and his shot totals, he has numbers comparable to the best players in the NHL.
Holymakinaw
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Leaf fans and Flyers fans are the WORST. Bunch of mouth-breathing, super-biased, arsewipes.
The only thing worse than either of them, is bunches of both of them, together in one thread.
The only thing worse than either of them, is bunches of both of them, together in one thread.
ManofSteel55
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Fixed it for you. Was a little lopsided before and didn't consider team needs at all.
If we look at the equipment John Scott uses he's also comparable to the best players in the NHL.
Tripod
I hate this team
If we look at Kadri’s possession numbers, his scoring-chances attempts, his scoring-chance differential, and his shot totals, he has numbers comparable to the best players in the NHL.
Lol....if you believe that....you are delusional.
Also.....you do realize that article was written in December right?
He is a 2nd line C. Nothing wrong with that. Only an idiot would say Kadri is an elite #1 C like the writer did. I won't say what a person quoting that article and then defending it is. I want to stay in the thread and not be banned.
But hey, if you think he is an elite #1 C, start a poll. Even your Leaf faithful fans with say hell no he isn't.
kb
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I am a Leaf fan and the guy who wrote that article probably did it in Crayola. He is the new breed of "spreadsheet analysts" that doesn't want to be biased in any way by actually watching a game.
And for my money, the true gem in that article is this little beauty:
"But fans want results, and that is understandable. It just isn’t fair."
Magua
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If we look at Kadri’s possession numbers, his scoring-chances attempts, his scoring-chance differential, and his shot totals, he has numbers comparable to the best players in the NHL.
In every analytical category Sean Couturier blows Kadri out of the water, all while seeing drastically harder usage. It's not even close. Sean Couturier is not an elite #1 center either. As much as these matter, scoring matters too. And except for that anomalous lockout year for Kadri, he does not produce at a high enough rate. Is Kadri underrated? Sure. He's a very strong 2C with great underlying stuff. He's much like guys like Perreault and Trochek. And they are not elite #1 centers either.
A1LeafNation
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Leafs are set up pretty good at center for the next 5 years. No need to trade assets for an 8m center
Magua
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They are not that close in advanced stats, though Kadri is very good no doubt. Couturier has a score/zone adjusted Relative CF% of +5.1% to Kadri's +1.33%. Relative scoring chances for +17.89% to Kadri's +0.89%. Couturier has a relative zone start ratio of -9.10 to Kadri's +1.39. Couturier outperforms him in tougher usage no less. Nazem Kadri is 2 years older as well, so that "offensive upside" thing doesn't fly. They're both ~50 point players probably. At ES, even with their age and usage differences, they score at similar rates over their last few years. They're similar offensively. Not so close elsewhere.
I just did a quick match up of the two on the warrior hero chart. Kadri looks far superior on it. I am too lazy to do any searching right now. Couturier is your #2 center correct?
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Acknowledging that the offer isn't enough for Giroux, speaking as a fan of neither team, Mason is not an average goalie or back-up.
Looks like Kadri has the tougher matchups but yet generates more offence or am I wrong?
Laveuglette
Le meilleur receveur de passes de tous les temps
Well, for that trade to happen, we would have to sign Alexandre Giroux first. WHAT? You mean Claude Giroux?
Oh he's elite? I must be mistaken.
04/18/2016 11:07 PM
NEWS
Mason allowed six goals on 27 shots in Monday's Game 3 loss to the Capitals.
As a fan of neither team, the only way Toronto gets Giroux is something starting with Matthews or Rielly.
Starat327
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After playing something like 20 straight games and being the sole reason the Flyers made the playoffs.
But sure. Use one series to define his careers. Since coming to the flyers, statistically speaking, he's been a top 10-15 goalie playing behind an awful defense.
This thread is toxic.
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