Proposal: TOR-PHI 6 Player Deal Giroux and Nylander the main pieces

[Group Chat Legend*]

First off, he said prospective. Second, your wisdom of all things Auston Matthews is so valuable, what will you teach us next Guru?

Matthews+ for Giroux is what it would take for Philly to do it, and even then it is a risk.

That really isn't debatable either.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Tomorrow everyone will covet Nylander. Tomorrow nobody will covet Giroux (considered a liability). PHI will have 2 talented centers and a promising right handed D. This is hardly a terrible proposal. Toronto risk a lot.

Giroux is a liability?

 

[Atomos2]

Matthews+ for Giroux is what it would take for Philly to do it, and even then it is a risk.

That really isn't debatable either.

And what would it take for Toronto to say yes to that deal?

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Its possible Nylander get close to Giroux's point total in 2016-17.

 

[gorangers0525]

We're talking about Claude Giroux right? This deal is ridiculously bad for the Flyers.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

We're talking about Claude Giroux right? This deal is ridiculously bad for the Flyers.

why? you would be younger and gaining a lot more offence

 

[Dustin]

Based on what? Crystal balls, Tarot cards ?
Has to be something like that because the assessment of where the team currently sits is yet to begin.

Exactly. Apparently winning Mathews means we are a contender even though most if not all of our top prospects have played little to no NHL games.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

And what would it take for Toronto to say yes to that deal?

Hmmm proven #1 C VS Prospective #1 C

 

[Sparksrus3]

TOR decides that their winning window is sooner. PHI sees their winning window as later.

To TOR
Giroux
Del Zotto
Mason

To PHI
Nylander
Kadri
Nielsen

PHI gains a talented playmaker (Nylander) for many years, center depth for many years, and a future Right handed D.

Toronto gets their top C while Matthews develops at 2C. Del Zotto plays with Rielly on the top line. TOR gets their back-up goalie.

But philly made the playoffs and Toronto will pick top 5 for 3-5 more years.

Not a fan of either team but in order to get Giroux
It would take Reilly,Nylander, and Kadri.
Then you can have Del Zotto.
What the heck is in the water up in Toronto?

 

[Mad Brills*]

If the leafs were going for a cup, they take this and run.

However, they aren't, so no.

 

[Kelly]

Hmmm proven #1 C VS Prospective #1 C

Do I really need to explain to you why the Leafs wouldn't trade a potential 18 year old 1C for a 1C 10 years old than him?

Go take a look at the Leafs roster and hopefully that will fill you in,

 

[Atomos2]

Hmmm proven #1 C VS Prospective #1 C

Hmm...question not answered.

 

[Brock Radunske]

TOR decides that their winning window is sooner. PHI sees their winning window as later.

To TOR
Giroux
Del Zotto
Mason

To PHI
Nylander
Kadri
Nielsen

PHI gains a talented playmaker (Nylander) for many years, center depth for many years, and a future Right handed D.

Toronto gets their top C while Matthews develops at 2C. Del Zotto plays with Rielly on the top line. TOR gets their back-up goalie.

What the....
Dude.
Just....dude?
*sigh*

 

[Randy Randerson]

Hmmm proven #1 C VS Prospective #1 C

Value-wise sure, doesn't make sense for the leafs though, our roster outside of Giroux isn't ready. We're better off seeing if Nylander is the real deal

 

[Mad Brills*]

Tomorrow everyone will covet Nylander. Tomorrow nobody will covet Giroux (considered a liability). PHI will have 2 talented centers and a promising right handed D. This is hardly a terrible proposal. Toronto risk a lot.

Giroux is miles better though.

I get that trading matthews for him is brain dead, but nylander isn't crazy IMO

 

[Boxscore]

Counter from Philly...

TO TOR:
- Giroux
- MacDonald
- Read

TO PHI:
- Nylander
- Timashov
- Kapanen
- 2017 1st
- 2018 1st

Leafs get a stud, top-end 1C in Giroux. They take some salary back from Flyers as well.

Flyers get 3 young forwards with high-end potential, especially Nylander who can be a top line scoring threat in 2 years. Flyers also get bad money off the books and add 2 1st round picks. That's 5 very good assets for Giroux and 2 bad contracts. Hefty price for Leafs but that's what they need to pay in order to add Giroux to Matthews, Marner, JVR, Kadri, etc.

 

[Kelly]

Counter from Philly...

TO TOR:
- Giroux
- MacDonald
- Read

TO PHI:
- Nylander
- Timashov
- Kapanen
- 2017 1st
- 2018 1st

Its just completely unrealistic.

The Leafs aren't in the market to be doing Kessel trade 2.0. We're drafting and developing, and this trade is completely the opposite of that. We're fine staying the course and being patient.

Stupid this thread is still ongoing, but it's the off season so whatever.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Counter from Philly...

TO TOR:
- Giroux
- MacDonald
- Read

TO PHI:
- Nylander
- Timashov
- Kapanen
- 2017 1st
- 2018 1st

Counter - we're rebuilding, trading for Giroux doesn't make sense for Toronto. If there's a trade to be had its probably Toronto forward prospect for Philly D prospect, deal from strength for both parties

 

[Boxscore]

Its just completely unrealistic.

The Leafs aren't in the market to be doing Kessel trade 2.0. We're drafting and developing, and this trade is completely the opposite of that.

I understand. But adding Giroux to that young core expadites a rebuild by quite a bit.

 

[Sypher04]

But philly made the playoffs and Toronto will pick top 5 for 3-5 more years.

Not a fan of either team but in order to get Giroux
It would take Reilly,Nylander, and Kadri.
Then you can have Del Zotto.
What the heck is in the water up in Toronto?

Lol. Nobody would or should pay that price for Giroux.

As for the OP. The value isn't there from the leafs, but I think both teams are equally uninterested in this deal. Serves no purpose for the Leafs

 

[Kelly]

I understand. But adding Giroux to that young core expadites a rebuild by quite a bit.

Nah, we're better off not trading Nylander, our next two 1sts and Timashov and Kapanen for Giroux. We're not looking to accelerate anything.

I also don't think Giroux has anywhere close to that value.

 

[SB84]

Nah, we're better off not trading Nylander, our next two 1sts and Timashov and Kapanen for Giroux. We're not looking to accelerate anything.

I also don't think Giroux has anywhere close to that value.

Agree with the first statement. Leafs are sticking to their plan. Adding Giroux does'nt make sense for where the Leafs are in their rebuild.

As for the second point Giroux is a beast and would definitely fetch a monster return. He's a top 10 forward imo.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Counter from Philly...

TO TOR:
- Giroux
- MacDonald
- Read

TO PHI:
- Nylander (top 10 prospect in most rankings, #1 in Button's pre-2016 class being added)
- Timashov (late round gamble with a big ceiling, B level prospect value)
- Kapanen (somewhere in between Nylander and Timashov value because of pedigree as a 1st round pick who just turned 20)
- 2017 1st (probably top 10, maybe lottery - this could be Patrick or Liljegren)
- 2018 1st (who knows, but the leafs probably aren't contending yet)

Leafs get a stud, top-end 1C in Giroux. They take some salary back from Flyers as well.

Flyers get 3 young forwards with high-end potential, especially Nylander who can be a top line scoring threat in 2 years. Flyers also get bad money off the books and add 2 1st round picks. That's 5 very good assets for Giroux and 2 bad contracts. Hefty price for Leafs but that's what they need to pay in order to add Giroux to Matthews, Marner, JVR, Kadri, etc.

Nah, we're better off not trading Nylander, our next two 1sts and Timashov and Kapanen for Giroux. We're not looking to accelerate anything.

I also don't think Giroux has anywhere close to that value.

Gonna agree, Giroux is a very good player but what you're asking for there is ALOT - added a little description of what I think each piece coming from Toronto should be valued as. A 28 year old center doesn't make sense as an add for a team that doesn't know if it has a starting goalie yet, especially at the expense of gutting the tradable asset stable

 

[Mad Brills*]

I'd rather give up a bit more for seguin TBH

 

[Kelly]

Agree with the first statement. Leafs are sticking to their plan. Adding Giroux does'nt make sense for where the Leafs are in their rebuild.

As for the second point Giroux is a beast and would definitely fetch a monster return. He's a top 10 forward imo.

Giroux is a great player, don't get me wrong.

In a cap world, a 28 year old center I don't think could fetch a return like that. I'm trying to think of same comparables who have been traded... Seguin? He was younger and wasn't as established, but he didn't return near that... Thornton?