Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

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Oh, so BIG money until a player is 34 is "bad"?

Ok.

Dubas ****ed up with Tavares then.

Dubas could trade Tavares with his current contract tomorrow and there would be a lineup around the block of GMs climbing over each other with trade offers. How is having that asset (that the Leafs got for nothing) instead of not having that asset a bad thing?

No matter how much spin you'll use, facts will expose you.

Do you REALLY think Matthews and Marner will take (lol) "discounts" when they're ufa's? They're CLEARLY all about the money.

If they're all about money, how is that Dubas' fault?

Just saying, you seem awfully upset about this. Maybe take a step back?
 
Both are up for UFA next year. We will have to see how the Leafs position themselves going into next July. Likely they can sign one, but who knows if that is in the cards- we have to see how they play this year. With Dermott and Hyman, again we have to wait to see if the Leafs apply for the LTIR as of now as a far as I know, the Leafs are using the off season cushion and not Long term Injury Relief for Dermot and Hyman.

Oh they should be able to afford one, but that’s when the rest of my scenario that I said begins to play out. Anyway your point was that the enthusiastic leaf fans have more of a solid base than the nay sayers and I think I that the other side may have a pretty solid base as well. But yes both sides are going overboard on how extremely good or bad things are.
 
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Dubas HAD to overpay Marner....because he set the team market overpaying Matthews. If Matthews had signed for 11 million x 8, Marner likely gets 10-10.5 x 8.

But when you make Matthews the 2nd highest player in the league, all while coming off his best season and being 21st in PPG.....it sort of puts your back against the wall when Marner is 15th in PPG this year and has ACTUALLY posted a 90+ point season instead of a coulda/woulda season.

All along, I said I thought they would settle at $11x7/8. But Ferris even pushed it further for a better deal. Good on him.

Now, in saying that, I have also said that overpaying your stars is much better than overpaying your bottom 6 or bottom pairing D...and used Zaitsev as an example. You can't make those mistakes with that level a player. With your stars, they still have a much more likely chance of one day making the deal look good as the cap goes up.

It will be interesting to see if other GM's cave to this "new" RFA power and give in to term and money. Or if they stick to their guns and make the RFA's choose one or the other. Rants will be the real interesting one to compare once signed being a winger, better scorer, and produced the same.

Oh...and for those saying "Leafs are in cap hell next year, or in a few more years", let it go. They will figure it out...every team always does. This year, it cost them a 1st to figure it out which hurts. But as of now, they have no bad contracts to crap players. And with cap room being tight, they likely won't find themselves in that spot again anyways. They just need the prospects to keep developing and have guys like Bracco become point producer and someone like Sandin become a top 4...which he will IMO. Keep the pipeline coming. And if it means in a year you trade away a Kapanen and replace him with a cheaper Bracco, so be it.

And lastly...I think Nylander has a very good year this year...70+ points.
 
It's so nice to see everyone caring so much about the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is what it feels like to be one of the true centers of hockey in the world.

Imagine if Florida or Dallas of all places was in the same scenario? Would anyone even care beyond a passing comment. Doubtful.

This 100%

If people invested even half as much energy and passion into supporting their own team as they do into hating all things Toronto, then this board might actually be a better place to come and have serious and enjoyable hockey discussions.
 
Oh, so BIG money until a player is 34 is "bad"?

Ok.

Dubas ****ed up with Tavares then.

No matter how much spin you'll use, facts will expose you.

Do you REALLY think Matthews and Marner will take (lol) "discounts" when they're ufa's? They're CLEARLY all about the money.

That's the concerning thing, IMO. One or the other, preferably both, could have set an example. Instead, once Matthews refused to leave a little money back, and then Marner needed a contract comparable to Matthews. It's not a good pattern. It's turning into a culture of "every last dollar," and there are only so many dollars to go around.
 
Dubas could trade Tavares with his current contract tomorrow and there would be a lineup around the block of GMs climbing over each other with trade offers. How is having that asset (that the Leafs got for nothing) instead of not having that asset a bad thing?



If they're all about money, how is that Dubas' fault?

Just saying, you seem awfully upset about this. Maybe take a step back?
Ah... yes. Every gm is "equally" good. Some just got "lucky" with the players they negotiated with.

You could take a random person out of the subway, anoint them an nhl gm, and they are immediately just as good as every other gm. Let's just hope they're "lucky" when they negotiate.

All those gm's that were "lucky" with all the cups they won. All those gm's that got fired for being "unlucky" due to their horrible performances.

Man. I just wish, after god knows how many decades of this team being DISGRACEFUL, that we could eventually get a (lol) "lucky" gm.
 
Ah... yes. Every gm is "equally" good. Some just got "lucky" with the players they negotiated with.

You could take a random person out of the subway, anoint them an nhl gm, and they are immediately just as good as every other gm. Let's just hope they're "lucky" when they negotiate.

All those gm's that were "lucky" with all the cups they won. All those gm's that got fired for being "unlucky" due to their horrible performances.

Man. I just wish, after god knows how many decades of this team being DISGRACEFUL, that we could eventually get a (lol) "lucky" gm.
So ,many things wrong with that. Few people, if any, are appointed for the job. When a GM an player negotiate. they are concerned with getting a good deal that both the team and player are happy with. While it is true there is risk involved, most things have risk, GMs and players aren't concerned with what you or I or other GMs think of the deal.
 
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So ,many things wrong with that. Few people, if any, are appointed for the job. When a GM an player negotiate. they are concerned with getting a good deal that both the team and player are happy with. While it is true there is risk involved, most things have risk, GMs and players aren't concerned with what you or I or other GMs think of the deal.

It's the GM's job to keep the AAV as low as he can though. That's kind of a big part of it.
 
Dubas could trade Tavares with his current contract tomorrow and there would be a lineup around the block of GMs climbing over each other with trade offers. How is having that asset (that the Leafs got for nothing) instead of not having that asset a bad thing?



If they're all about money, how is that Dubas' fault?

Just saying, you seem awfully upset about this. Maybe take a step back?


NMC- No Movement means the player cannot be waived, assigned to minors, or traded without approval.[/QUOTE]
 
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Your response has nothing to do with what I was saying; Not gonna explain it because to be honest, BS responses like yours exhaust me.[/QUOTE]


"Bs responses like yours exhaust me" appears to translate to "I can't backup the point I was making so leave me alone"
 
It's the GM's job to keep the AAV as low as he can though. That's kind of a big part of it.
How do we be sure he hasn't kept the AVV as low as possible? Each team has their own structure. Let's take the Leafs for example, they have decided that they are going to pay their top players and fit other players around that idea. Some have called it the NBA model. It has never been done in the NHL before.
 

Your response has nothing to do with what I was saying; Not gonna explain it because to be honest, BS responses like yours exhaust me.[/QUOTE]

Why bother to response then, instead of be an a-hole! The fact are that you cant trade J.T if he doesnt waive his NMC, enjoy his prime and eventual decline and hope of a cup!
 
How do we be sure he hasn't kept the AVV as low as possible? Each team has their own structure. Let's take the Leafs for example, they have decided that they are going to pay their top players and fit other players around that idea. Some have called it the NBA model. It has never been done in the NHL before.
The main reason it's never been tried in the NHL is because it's not a sustainable method to plan with. The NBA doesn't need a well rounded full roster. They need 2 or 3 players who play 45-50 minutes a game that are stars and no one cares about the rest. Hockey you need all 4 lines to be effective, plus all your defenseman and goalies. Having to make sure of this makes every dollar in a cap way more important. You can't just throw so much to a few players in the NHL.
 
The main reason it's never been tried in the NHL is because it's not a sustainable method to plan with. The NBA doesn't need a well rounded full roster. They need 2 or 3 players who play 45-50 minutes a game that are stars and no one cares about the rest. Hockey you need all 4 lines to be effective, plus all your defenseman and goalies. Having to make sure of this makes every dollar in a cap way more important. You can't just throw so much to a few players in the NHL.

"The main reason it's never been tried in the NHL is because it's not a sustainable method to plan with."
It has never be tried so this statement is pure speculation This can only be an unknown.
"..Hockey you need all 4 lines to be effective, plus all your defenseman and goalies."
Yes, regardless on how you build your roster.

"You can't just throw so much to a few players in the NHL"

Clearly you can. It is just not known if it will be a path to success. In your opinion It is not.
 
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Guess we will see if Marner, Matthews and Nylander can actually be worth their deals in the future. So far none of them are.
 
Guess we will see if Marner, Matthews and Nylander can actually be worth their deals in the future. So far none of them are.
This shit is so weak. You guys always, always move the goal posts. It really never ends. You're fox news. "The leafs wont draft well". They draft well. Then its "well, they won't produce". They produce. Then "they wont make the playoffs". They did. Then its "yeah they'll make the playoffs but it won't be near the top". They did. Then it was "yeah well the Bruins will smoke then again". They took them to 7 again. Keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Now its "well lets see if they're worth their contracts". You know they will be, but you'll pretend theres some question in it because you can't accept that the Leafs are talented.
 
This **** is so weak. You guys always, always move the goal posts. It really never ends. You're fox news. "The leafs wont draft well". They draft well. Then its "well, they won't produce". They produce. Then "they wont make the playoffs". They did. Then its "yeah they'll make the playoffs but it won't be near the top". They did. Then it was "yeah well the Bruins will smoke then again". They took them to 7 again. Keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Now its "well lets see if they're worth their contracts". You know they will be, but you'll pretend theres some question in it because you can't accept that the Leafs are talented.

THIS.

:)
 
Enjoy it while it lasts. Next year will likely be a different story when the Leafs lose that $13.633M LTIR which currently is allowing the Leafs to exceed the cap limit this year by $13.3M
It doesn't look good for the Leafs next year with only 13 players under contract for $66.3M thus leaving (assuming a max salary cap of $84M... god help the Leafs if its less) Dubas with only $17.7M to sign another 7-10 players of which two of those will be Barrie and Ceci.
I look forward to the tap dance and salary dump that Dubas will be forced to do just to meet a 20 player roster and stay under the salary cap next year... and still likely ending up with a zero cap cushion which isn't good if the team sustains any short term injuries.

If worse to worse they could acquire more LTIR relief, Ryan Kesler comes to mind, maybe David Backes if he's not hurt he will be.

There is always a way to make it work, always.
 
Enjoy it while it lasts. Next year will likely be a different story when the Leafs lose that $13.633M LTIR which currently is allowing the Leafs to exceed the cap limit this year by $13.3M

If Leafs have $13.633m in LTIR contracts that are allowing us to exceed the cap by $13.3m, then when those LTIR contracts are gone next year, Leafs have $300k MORE cap space available to spend than they did this year. Then add onto that cap goes up, etc...
 
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