Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

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If worse to worse they could acquire more LTIR relief, Ryan Kesler comes to mind, maybe David Backes if he's not hurt he will be.

There is always a way to make it work, always.

This wouldn’t really have any benefit. leafs are better off not being in LTIR. They don’t get more cap space by acquiring an LTIR contract. They acquired Clarkson only so that they had the flexibility to go into LTIR at their own leisure so as to optimise the cap relief. But outside of that efficiency acquiring LTIR players when you’re not in LTIR doesn’t gain you more cap space.
 
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This 100%

If people invested even half as much energy and passion into supporting their own team as they do into hating all things Toronto, then this board might actually be a better place to come and have serious and enjoyable hockey discussions.
like dallas did more or less a similar thing when they got spezza a while back .
 
I was criticized for it in the past...

But I really do suspect that Dubas is some sort of undercover nhlpa agent who dramatically overpaid all of the leaf players so as to change the entire market.

That is actually more believable to me than a person being that incompetent at their job.
if he overpaid it isnt by much. why do you get to dictate what the market is? people can use comparibles all they want but the market is always changing.
 
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okay so 15 months ago it was "Leafs will never get Tavares" then it became "Leafs cant afford all 3 of their young core", then "They have to trade Kapanen or Johnsson" and now what is it? Something about how the leafs are screwed if 2 defensemen get hurt at the same or how 3 years from now they are screwed? cool. carry on.
well itll be an ongoing argument all year about how the leafs overpaid their players and next year it will be the defence.
 
Over 30 million tied up in 3 players...is this bad?

We'll see.

It feels almost like they're all in this year, because the contracts didn't crush this year's roster. But we're gonna have to wait and see how their depth players hold up over the course of 82 games + playoffs, particularly when opposing coaches get disciplined with their match-ups.

Next year will be the real test for Dubas. He's gonna have to fill out a lot of spots very cheaply. And I know Leafs fans think those spots SHOULD be filled out cheaply, but I think they're underestimating how difficult it's going to be to find so many cheap NHL players who don't get burned on a regular basis.
 

Your response has nothing to do with what I was saying; Not gonna explain it because to be honest, BS responses like yours exhaust me.[/QUOTE]

JT has a family here, part of the decision was she is from here. They want to raise a family close to their families, he won't waive
 
This much tied up into 3-4 forwards could get dicey for depth in the near future, but I have to admit I'm just really happy to see Mitch isn't sitting out games.

Better draft well, Kyle. :)
 
This wouldn’t really have any benefit. leafs are better off not being in LTIR. They don’t get more cap space by acquiring an LTIR contract. They acquired Clarkson only so that they had the flexibility to go into LTIR at their own leisure so as to optimise the cap relief. But outside of that efficiency acquiring LTIR players when you’re not in LTIR doesn’t gain you more cap space.


LTIR allows you to exceed the cap they should get as much LTIR as possible
 
LTIR allows you to exceed the cap they should get as much LTIR as possible

Teams are gonna start charging them for the space though. We could literally get to a place where Marian Hossa is worth a 1st again. Desperation drives market value.

But that's gonna impact the Leaf's ability to get good talent on ELCs.
 
"Bs responses like yours exhaust me" appears to translate to "I can't backup the point I was making so leave me alone"

JT has a family here, part of the decision was she is from here. They want to raise a family close to their families, he won't waive

Why bother to response then, instead of be an a-hole! The fact are that you cant trade J.T if he doesnt waive his NMC, enjoy his prime and eventual decline and hope of a cup!

OK, I guess I do have to explain it. Of course he has a NTC and of course he's not going anywhere. My point was he's a valuable asset and it was ridiculous for the poster I quoted to suggest it was a mistake to sign him. All I did was try to illustrate that with the fact that every team in the league would sign him at his current contract if he was available. Seems pretty basic to me.
 
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Teams are gonna start charging them for the space though. We could literally get to a place where Marian Hossa is worth a 1st again. Desperation drives market value.

But that's gonna impact the Leaf's ability to get good talent on ELCs.

What makes you think we will get to that place? teams have been acquiring dead money for years and the only time I remember a 1st being involved was Detroit moving Datsuk's contract but even then they only moved down 4 spots from 16 to 20.

Leafs moved a 1st to deal Marleau but he wasn't LTIR if he was that trade never happens
 
Even worse 40 mil on 4 players

As much as I question these deals, I don't think they'll be catastrophic if the cap goes up. But if it stagnates, as recently predicted in a CJ article, the Leafs are gonna be forced to make a move next year.

I think Dubas's big mistake was jumping the gun on Matthews's contract. If he had to let it drag out to get the cap hit down, he should have let it drag out. Getting Matthews for an Eichel deal gets the Marner deal under 10, and suddenly they're still in trouble, but in better shape. Particularly when other RFAs come up.
 
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What makes you think we will get to that place? teams have been acquiring dead money for years and the only time I remember a 1st being involved was Detroit moving Datsuk's contract but even then they only moved down 4 spots from 16 to 20.

Leafs moved a 1st to deal Marleau but he wasn't LTIR if he was that trade never happens

? Because this is the first time, so far as I know, we've seen teams acquire LTIR space to get cap compliant. If you think a team like Arizona is just gonna give that away, well, good luck with that. Nobody's gonna do you a favor for free.
 
As much as I question these deals, I don't think they'll be catastrophic if the cap goes up. But if it stagnates, as recently predicted in a CJ article, the Leafs are gonna be forced to make a move next year.

I think Dubas's big mistake was jumping the gun on Matthews's contract. If he had to let it drag out to get the cap hit down, he should have let it drag out. Getting Matthews for an Eichel deal gets the Marner deal under 10, and suddenly they're still in trouble, but in better shape. Particularly when other RFAs come up.
Agreed, we will see how it all plays out I think Muzzin and Barrie will be gone after this season with Sandin and Liljigren taking spots next year but the prospect pool looks glim to me outside of those 2.
 
LTIR allows you to exceed the cap they should get as much LTIR as possible

LTIR allows you to exceed the cap the same value of the contract. But the contract value also gets added to your cap hit. So if you're exactly at the cap limit and not using LTIR, and you acquire a $7m LTIR contract to your payroll, then you get granted the ability to exceed the cap by $7m (the value of the contract), but that contract getting added to your payroll also causes you to exceed the cap by $7m (the value of the contract), and therefore you don't get granted any additional space beyond the LTIR contract itself.
 
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Agreed, we will see how it all plays out I think Muzzin and Barrie will be gone after this season with Sandin and Liljigren taking spots next year but the prospect pool looks glim to me outside of those 2.
I don't see them going so young with Babcock as a coach. I think that'll force a trade, probably Nylander. If he gets his value back up he should net them a good defenseman. The depth will still be an issue.
 
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