Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

[Mikenusca]

Well, its good that Dubas now has the second-best player, fourth-best player; and 6th best player in the league all locked up, oh wait, that's paid. You never know they might be worth it, even though they haven't as yet won squat! They will do all the scoring, B/C those other ten roster places can be filled with guys that have proven they can contribute nothing at all...

The leafs don’t have the 2nd, 4th, and 6th best player in the league. Matthews might be one of those but if you think Marner is better than Nate Mackinnon, Crosby, Barkov, Kucherov, Patrick Kane..... you’re dreaming

 

[bearcountry17]

How does a RFA become the highest paid RW in the game? And without a max length contract. Players must really not like playing there if that is what it takes to keep him around. Marner is great but he should be making 8-9 m on a 6 year deal.

 

[Dache]

I feel like not many people know this, but the leafs' assistant gm, Brandon Pridham help create the cba and salary cap. He was hired as a "cap contultant". They literally have the salary cap creator hired as a cap consultant.

And the majority of posters on this site talk like they're top **** as if they can see years down the leafs' timeline.

The leafs have their entire team signed for this season. Lets enjoy watching hockey as hockey fans for a year and worry about the cap next offseason. Oh wait, we dont have to, as we have the guy who literally created the cap working for us. Awesome! glg

We all heard last summer how the leafs had hired the creator of the cba and how he was clearly going to find all these loopholes for them to get everyone signed to better deals than everyone else. Don’t act like having the guy that helped write the cba is much better than the other high priced lawyers that other teams have

 

[CatchyTune]

We all heard last summer how the leafs had hired the creator of the cba and how he was clearly going to find all these loopholes for them to get everyone signed to better deals than everyone else. Don’t act like having the guy that helped write the cba is much better than the other high priced lawyers that other teams have

I realize that. Main reason I stated that is because this thread is filled with fans (non leafs fans) talking as if they have it all figured out. They evidently do not, the main reason they yap is to try and strike fear into leafs fans.

The leafs arent going into the season blind. To any extent. They have a plan. I dont know how far into the future, but its not like a group of highly knowledgable professionals are just winging it. Us posters couldnt hold a candle to them.

As fans, our main objective is to cheer for our team. I have upmost faith in our management.

 

[Luminiferous]

We all heard last summer how the leafs had hired the creator of the cba and how he was clearly going to find all these loopholes for them to get everyone signed to better deals than everyone else. Don’t act like having the guy that helped write the cba is much better than the other high priced lawyers that other teams have

You're foolish and just trying to start shit. No one said that. Anyone with an ounce of sincerity stated that: having Pridham would allow for TOR to keep their core together. That is it. That is exactly what happened. Move Along. Any person with a decent head on their shoulders knows the Leafs contracts are not ideal, but it is over, and most are relatively happy. Keep stoking the fire and failing.

 

[Snowpants]

We all heard last summer how the leafs had hired the creator of the cba and how he was clearly going to find all these loopholes for them to get everyone signed to better deals than everyone else. Don’t act like having the guy that helped write the cba is much better than the other high priced lawyers that other teams have

I guess they hired him to tell them they were officially screwed against the cap lol!

 

[Dache]

I realize that. Main reason I stated that is because this thread is filled with fans (non leafs fans) talking as if they have it all figured out. They evidently do not, the main reason they yap is to try and strike fear into leafs fans.

The leafs arent going into the season blind. To any extent. They have a plan. I dont know how far into the future, but its not like a group of highly knowledgable professionals are just winging it. Us posters couldnt hold a candle to them.

As fans, our main objective is to cheer for our team. I have upmost faith in our management.

I’ll agree there’s lots of doom and gloom from some people that would like the leafs to fail, but let’s not act like they’re the only ones filling this thread and pretending they have it all figured out. The leafs situation isn’t as bad as some are making it out to be, but it’s also not nearly as good as others are claiming it is

 

[Throw More Waffles]

How does a RFA become the highest paid RW in the game? And without a max length contract. Players must really not like playing there if that is what it takes to keep him around. Marner is great but he should be making 8-9 m on a 6 year deal.

Get ready to be bombarded with a whole assortment of insignificant stats that are never used in other teams contract negotiations.

Apparently it's easier to make up a whole bunch of nonsense as opposed to just admitting to yourself that Dubas isn't very good at his job.

 

[thewave]

why not just make it an even 11M? 107k really?

That 107k was so Kyle could say he whittled him down. He is the Players Union #1 Top best negotiator after all.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

That 107k was so Kyle could say he whittled him down. He is the Players Union #1 Top best negotiator after all.

I was criticized for it in the past...

But I really do suspect that Dubas is some sort of undercover nhlpa agent who dramatically overpaid all of the leaf players so as to change the entire market.

That is actually more believable to me than a person being that incompetent at their job.

 

[thewave]

Get ready to be bombarded with a whole assortment of insignificant stats that are never used in other teams contract negotiations.

Apparently it's easier to make up a whole bunch of nonsense as opposed to just admitting to yourself that Dubas isn't very good at his job.

If other teams end up following our lead with these RFA type deals we'll all be in a strike situation come next CBA. If the other teams tell the RFA to pound salt and adjust for increased scoring etc, Toronto is screwed in a big way, well, outside the front loaded contracts which will be trade-able in year 3.

 

[thewave]

I was criticized for it in the past...

But I really do suspect that Dubas is some sort of undercover nhlpa agent who dramatically overpaid all of the leaf players so as to change the entire market.

That is actually more believable to me than a person being that incompetent at their job.

I said it as well on our board. I think the Leafs want to try and force the league into a luxury tax situation. If the teams follow it could very well be a for sure thing, there has to be more to it, you can't actually be this bad at negotiations, right?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I’ll agree there’s lots of doom and gloom from some people that would like the leafs to fail, but let’s not act like they’re the only ones filling this thread and pretending they have it all figured out. The leafs situation isn’t as bad as some are making it out to be, but it’s also not nearly as good as others are claiming it is

You might be on to something there, but the Leafs, at least outwardly, do not seem to be worried about the cap. Besides, we can only project the current situation on to next July.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

How does a RFA become the highest paid RW in the game? And without a max length contract. Players must really not like playing there if that is what it takes to keep him around. Marner is great but he should be making 8-9 m on a 6 year deal.

Dumbest comment.

6year committment means "not wanting to play there" Haha Haha

Oddly enough.
I'd say a 3 year deal with the cap increase on year 3, tells me player wants his team handcuffed into paying huge and primed for UFA after taking the year 4 QO.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

If other teams end up following our lead with these RFA type deals we'll all be in a strike situation come next CBA. If the other teams tell the RFA to pound salt and adjust for increased scoring etc, Toronto is screwed in a big way, well, outside the front loaded contracts which will be trade-able in year 3.

Something that I haven't seen many people mention...

There has indisputably been far more high profile post elc star rfa players over the past few years than what is typical. People seem to cite this and then argue that it's increased their value.

But under a capped league, wouldn't it be the precise opposite. Even under just basic supply and demand: there are WAY more young super star rfa's than before. That LOWERS their value.

Just using hypothetical numbers here, but if the typical year has 5 high profile rfa's, and they all want 10-15% of the cap... well, this year there are closer to 20, who ALSO all want 10-15% of the cap. Just basic math shows that that isn't sustainable.

If there are only two or three 100 point players (who of course want to be paid as 100 point players), what happens when there's eight 100 point players who want to be paid as 100 point players? Fifteen 100 point players? Fifty 100 point players. They would have been WELL over the leagues total cap ceiling long ago.

Clearly the current rate of scoring should be considered part of the equation when it comes to cap percentages. But that isn't what happened with the leafs players.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Umm...most players they would want to call up qualify: Shore, Petan, Agostino, Wilson, Aberg, Goat, Harpur, Schmaltz, Marincin, Holl, Gravel

But not Bracco, Engvall, Korshkov, Marchment, Brooks, Lilegren, Sanden, Kivhalme.

If that rule is right...once the Leafs lose two defensemen, literally the only three guys they can call up are Kevin Gravel, Mac Hollowell and Holl.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Get ready to be bombarded with a whole assortment of insignificant stats that are never used in other teams contract negotiations.

Apparently it's easier to make up a whole bunch of nonsense as opposed to just admitting to yourself that Dubas isn't very good at his job.

The main reason for that is admitting to yourself that Dubas isn't very good at his job is just lying to yourself. It is better to be honest.

 

[Dache]

You might be on to something there, but the Leafs, at least outwardly, do not seem to be worried about the cap. Besides, we can only project the current situation on to next July.

What would that say about the organization if after they sign Marner they came out and said “we have no idea what we’ll do now”. I’m not saying they don’t have a plan, but I’m sure they’re plan A was not paying 10.9 million a year for Marner.

 

[Dache]

Dumbest comment.

6year committment means "not wanting to play there" Haha Haha

Oddly enough.
I'd say a 3 year deal with the cap increase on year 3, tells me player wants his team handcuffed into paying huge and primed for UFA after taking the year 4 QO.

So what he was actually asking for?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The main reason for that is admitting to yourself that Dubas isn't very good at his job is just lying to yourself. It is better to be honest.

Marners elc stats: 60 points. 69 points. 94 points.

Do you really think he's be the highest paid winger in the league if he put up those numbers on any other team?

We all know the answer to that. You know it as well. But you simply won't admit it to yourself.

It's a complete joke.

 

[Snowpants]

You're foolish and just trying to start ****. No one said that. Anyone with an ounce of sincerity stated that: having Pridham would allow for TOR to keep their core together. That is it. That is exactly what happened. Move Along. Any person with a decent head on their shoulders knows the Leafs contracts are not ideal, but it is over, and most are relatively happy. Keep stoking the fire and failing.

Wait so Dubas needed HELP over paying all his young players? He is even worse at his job than I thought...

 

[Leaf Fans]

Marners elc stats: 60 points. 69 points. 94 points.

Do you really think he's be the highest paid winger in the league if he put up those numbers on any other team?

We all know the answer to that. You know it as well. But you simply won't admit it to yourself.

It's a complete joke.

I have admitted it. Nice deal Dubas! You haven't.

 

[Leaf Fans]

What would that say about the organization if after they sign Marner they came out and said “we have no idea what we’ll do now”. I’m not saying they don’t have a plan, but I’m sure they’re plan A was not paying 10.9 million a year for Marner.

I think it would be bad to say that, but that doesn't mean that they have no idea what to do now. It may have not been plan A, but In any negotiation you walk in with a multiplicity of plans and strategies. Not only the Leafs, but anyone who has ever conducted a negotiation.

 

[Red Piller]

How does a RFA become the highest paid RW in the game? And without a max length contract. Players must really not like playing there if that is what it takes to keep him around. Marner is great but he should be making 8-9 m on a 6 year deal.

Some of the issue is the team is also a victim of its own financial success. If you’re one of the best players on a team that has 200-600 dollar tickets that sells out every single night, an 800 million dollar naming rights deal for your arena and million dollar private suites then yeah, I’d want to get paid.

 

[TheNumber4]

Well the OBVIOUS has happened. Marner has got overpaid to the moon as predicted. I said at the beginning of these negotiations that Marner's value would be inflated due to Matthews' gross overpayment.

Matthews at 11.63 @ 5 years is in effect the largest RFA contract ever signed and has inflated the market and ruined RFA signings for years. Yes, even higher than McDavid's because of the years. Pretty funny that the Leafs bubble over-rating of Matthews has now lead to 2 gross overpays.

How else you expect these players to negotiate when they are viewed as hockey gods and legends before actually accomplishing anything in the league.

Well, Toronto has all their pieces now at ridiculously high prices, I guess Dubas "did his job" LOL.