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Confirmed with Link: [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment

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axlrose87 said:
Power forwards always take longer to develop. Dubas just couldn’t resist another player who can’t go on all the rides at Disneyland
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Marchment showed nothing with the Leafs that would merit more opportunity. Dubas did the right thing to give him an opportunity to somewhere and a fresh start

Also noting that Brooks looked promising when he was called up at the same time with Marchment. So was Engval who was always a better skater and still is

Can't deny though that Dubas/Keefe seemed to have a soft spot for skaters and skills at that time. Clearly that mindset has changed a bit. Unfortunately, neither Simmonds/ Ritchie has really ran with that role
 
Antropovsky said:
Ahhh the Dubas phase when he was determined to find a small skilled diamond in the rough.... see Malgin trade and Petan trade. The Panthers gm really is looking like a genius with all his finds, Duclair, Verhaeghe, Marchment, Bennett, Lundell (pick)... the Reinhart trade. Jeez. I like what he has done, he's bought very low on all his players. Meanwhile Dubas keeps unloading all his assets, trying to win now, he's depleted this team pretty swiftly...and he was way premature on winning now, which is very evident.
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Just some insane acquisations. He really built a very heavy team with Verhaeghe, Bennet and Reinhart
Classic projects that worked out and working out

I never liked Petan. I dont' know why he was given the amount of opportunities he was
 
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It was a Dubie special .. gave Mason a chance to play in NHL .. and took a flyer on a skater boy .. clearly a bad deal from a team perspective but ot helped out Mason a lot .. clearly much better to have Mason at $800K AAV than Ritchie at $2.5M
 
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Sypher04 said:
I could not care less about this trade.
Marchment is just an ok player.
Maybe we didn’t extract full value for him taking malgin back, but I think it’s pretty clear he wasn’t in our plans here, and they did right by him moving him. I have no issues with that or how things things have turned out. I’m not interested in what ifs
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Yet sure enough this gets rehashed because of a 6 pt game. Surprised it took as long as it did to be posted.

Lots of knee jerk, 20/20 hindsight, told ya sos

At the time it was pretty clear Marchment wasn't a long term player. Who knows how we was outside of what we see on TV. Maybe he wanted out and chance to play somewhere else?

I think a lot of people on here wanted him to be the forward version of his father.....that was never going to happen. He didn't play that way.
 
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It was a good trade then and still is a good trade now. Mason wasn't going to get a shot to play here especially with the logjam of bottom 6 players we already had. Dubas has always said that he wants his guys to succeed and get their shot at the NHL or a chance at a bigger payday. He's done it consistently with all his Russian guys and a few prospects/ veteran players as well. Marchment was a 25-year-old player who was buried in the depth chart and getting off of this team was his most ideal shot at cracking the NHL. The Panthers at that time weren't a stellar team and they definitely had a much easier roster to crack than the Leafs and Mason has taken advantage of that.

People really need to let things go and just be happy for the guy instead of crying over it. Marchment in our system isn't the same player/contributor and would have walked away as a UFA anyway. Dubas got an asset out of a player who had no future with this team. Malgin once again a victim of the Leafs forward depth in the bottom 6 ended up loaned to the Swiss league and he's been one of the top players there so far. And we still own his rights for another 2 years. Meanwhile, Mason Marchment is going to be once again a UFA at the end of this season and he's going to cash in (which is again something we couldn't afford had he been doing this here).

So stop crying over it.

If you really want to cry over a prospect wasted then cry over Lou dumping a promising prospect in Verhaege who was looking like a gem in the OHL and we sold him for pennies on the dollar. Especially while being absolutely paper-thin at C.
 
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Everybody bitching about this trade had no clue Marchment was going to become half the player he is right now. Sometimes trades turn out poorly with hindsight.
 
Why did I know this was getting bumped?

The only thing this made me question is what about this organization stops players from making hits/being physical? Matt Martin, Mason Marchment, Wayne Simmonds, Nick Ritchie and Jake Muzzin after the 1st playoff run all seemed to just stop laying the body when previously they laid the body.

Culture? System? Organization?

To a lesser extent, we need to be less shy about giving younger guys a chance. Goal aside last night, Spezza and Simmonds haven't made much of a contribution this season to the roster. We can't try anything that we have in the AHL?
 
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nobody said:
And the Kessel for Seguin/Hamilton/Knight one too! Let's get all the crying out of the way all at once so we can stop seeing this garbage on the main page.
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love the inclusion of knight here. that guy sure turned into a whole lot of nothing.
 
nobody said:
It was a good trade then and still is a good trade now. Mason wasn't going to get a shot to play here especially with the logjam of bottom 6 players we already had. Dubas has always said that he wants his guys to succeed and get their shot at the NHL or a chance at a bigger payday. He's done it consistently with all his Russian guys and a few prospects/ veteran players as well. Marchment was a 25-year-old player who was buried in the depth chart and getting off of this team was his most ideal shot at cracking the NHL. The Panthers at that time weren't a stellar team and they definitely had a much easier roster to crack than the Leafs and Mason has taken advantage of that.

People really need to let things go and just be happy for the guy instead of crying over it. Marchment in our system isn't the same player/contributor and would have walked away as a UFA anyway. Dubas got an asset out of a player who had no future with this team. Malgin once again a victim of the Leafs forward depth in the bottom 6 ended up loaned to the Swiss league and he's been one of the top players there so far. And we still own his rights for another 2 years. Meanwhile, Mason Marchment is going to be once again a UFA at the end of this season and he's going to cash in (which is again something we couldn't afford had he been doing this here).

So stop crying over it.

If you really want to cry over a prospect wasted then cry over Lou dumping a promising prospect in Verhaege who was looking like a gem in the OHL and we sold him for pennies on the dollar. Especially while being absolutely paper-thin at C.
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False, stopped reading right there, tldr the rest.
 
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Maplebeasts said:
Surely you recognize that Dubas is human and didn't think that highly of Marchment like 99+% of the hockey community before trading him. I find it disingenuous to fault a guy for a mistake everyone would have made.
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Sure every one makes mistakes. Lord knows as Leaf fans we've seen more than our fair share.
Your 99+% and 'everyone' seems exaggerated a touch.
 
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I am Canadian said:
Dubas giving players a chance when they don't find a spot here is why we will continue to get free agents to come here.

It's really not that hard to understand, and hindsight is always soooooo easy to criticise.
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Us being about a 120 point team and churning out talent after talent is something I can live with. So long as it keeps up, we are in for a decent ride. Don't look know but he also has the likes of Robertson, Knies, Niemela etc. all coming from later on (which would seem to further solidify the notion that it isn't fluke).
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Why did I know this was getting bumped?

The only thing this made me question is what about this organization stops players from making hits/being physical? Matt Martin, Mason Marchment, Wayne Simmonds, Nick Ritchie and Jake Muzzin after the 1st playoff run all seemed to just stop laying the body when previously they laid the body.

Culture? System? Organization?

To a lesser extent, we need to be less shy about giving younger guys a chance. Goal aside last night, Spezza and Simmonds haven't made much of a contribution this season to the roster. We can't try anything that we have in the AHL?
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It's the style of play. We are a team that loves to play a fast game with not too much aggressiveness. The Leafs don't take penalties and blind refs hardly give them many powerplays either. Having guys like Ritchie, Marchment, Martin, Simmonds on the team only helps when you have a team that is built around that gritty physical identity. Under Lou, we had Martin in here primarily to protect the group of young kids on the team who were going to get run by the league because the team as a whole was pretty soft with soft vets. Under Dubas and Keefe, there's really no role for the tough guy if he can't skate up and down the ice and defend/chip in, offensively. Our tough guys are players like Simmonds/Clifford/Ritchie/Muzzin. The real full-timers are Simmonds and Muzzin who both provide much-needed veteran presence and leadership on the team while being very important players. Ritchie was brought in to help augment the play Simmonds offer and add more sandpaper to the team but he takes too many penalties (at the worst times often) and provides not nearly enough in the other aspects of the game. Clifford eats ice time but does a whole lot of nothing but is a good glue guy for the team hence why he's here. In short, our "toughness" comes from players that have a lot more to offer than just that. As a whole, for years now we have had players who are skilled but not soft. They're not going to go out of their way to drop the gloves but at the same time, these Leafs teams have never been intimidated or shied away from a fight even when our big boys were little kids breaking into the league. A massive change from what used to exist in the Bozak, Kessel, JVR, Lupul era where we had designated tough guys on the team but overall we played softly.

Spezza provides veteran leadership and flexibility to Keefe knowing that he can put him out for crucial draws or always have that threat on the PP and count on him to pot the odd goal or make plays on the 4th line. Also, Spezza never complains and is loved by the team. Simmer is much the same in terms of how much the team loves him and as for his offensive production, he's been massively snakebit but he's been a damn good player for us outside of maybe 20 games following his injury last year. He's another one of those guys that you can slot in up and down the lineup and he's going to give you so much more than just his offensive #s. His underlying stats are really good and had he been getting rewarded for his work this year, he's probably got another 5 goals and about 7-8 points. Not too shabby for 2 guys who are making near/at the league minimum.

We need more players like the Spezza's and Simmonds of the NHL and not less. We do however need to stop signing guys like Ritchie who have all the toughness and grit in the world but never use it and his offensive game/hustle provides no value in the bottom 6.

Lastly, my last point on Marchment and Verhaege who are both having stellar years for the Panthers. Panthers play a run and gun game. As nice as their numbers look, they can only outscore their atrocious D for so long. It's going to come crashing down hard at some point. Same goes for the Rangers, who have been mediocre at best as a team but have had Dom Hasek level goaltending from Shesterkin this season. Not teams' I'm looking to emulate.
 
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