Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[Smif]

Would you rather he'd hang on to that 25th overall and puff up his chest and pretend like Mrazek could still work out? Because I bet that's what a lot of the older GM's would do.

Thing is we don't know the solution yet, we have zero goalies right now. Why should we trust him to find a solution after last year?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Wrong. He moved down 13 spots and stayed in the 2nd round. Thats equal to a late 2nd early 3rd. Do people even understand anymore
Holland also got rid of a first too. Right?

No. He just ******* traded a 1st to get rid of Mrazek.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

bottom line is we signed another Jack Campbell as "insurance" on the one we had. it was never a great move, honestly.

If Mrazek was another Jack Campbell, 3 x 3.8 mill was a steal.

People have this notion that Mrazek was some injury-prone goalie. He wasn't injury prone until he got here. That is the problem. That is why changes were made there.

He suffered a freak thumb injury last year. The year before, he suffered a concussion which caused him to miss like 2 weeks. Not seeing anything which suggests either were an issue this year.

 

[stickty111]

This is nothing to applaud. Dubas blew it. He bew it today and last offseason. Why on earth did he sign him for so much and so long. Now he has to trade a 1st?!

I'm happy.

Now he has to look for more goalies to sign in an offseason with a major shortage.

He didn't blow it. You just need evaluation lessons. He moved down 13 spots equal to a late 2nd to get rid of of a contract. Thats fine value. You want to see who made a terrible trade for context? Holland.

No. He just ******* traded a 1st to get rid of Mrazek.

Did he not get back an early 2nd? Or do we not include that. By your logic, Holland traded a first too.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Sorry , no idea what point you’re trying to make ?

Dubas signed a player that turned into a cap dump after just 1 yr and he had to pay to get rid of him . I wouldn’t have moved down 13 spots out of the 1st rd without getting two 2nds in in the top half of the 2nd return . So basically imo it cost Dubas a high 2nd to clean up his f*** up ,

Who the hell was going to give us that?

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'd love if someone could put down how/why we acquired Mrazek,

Who were the goalies going out.

I'm not even sure what I'm trying to figure out here,

But I just know it was an instant bad signing by Dubas, and he's fixed that problem by trading down in a very unpredictable draft, and when Bettman was saying the trade, as soon as he said "Marazek" I got up and cheered like we just landed some huge player in a trade, yet we were getting rid of a boat anchor.

We need better goaltending but we also don't need to be impatiently desperate IMO.

Honestly if I go back in my mind and think about it, I remember thinking why didn't we sign McBackup for another year and go from there?

This seems like a really bad off season to go goalie hunting, I hope Dubas tries something else like bring some guy from overseas, let our Marlies guys have a go, etc.

Who knows what's about to happen though. I just hope it isn't removing one dumb goalie signing to add another.

There’s 3 guys and two playoff teams and maybe two lessor teams in need of a real goalie. As of now with pitts minny and Colorado making the moves they did Toronto is the most appealing option. They’re not in a bad spot at all, the main thing is to not over-pay.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Thing is we don't know the solution yet, we have zero goalies right now. Why should we trust him to find a solution after last year?

Going to revolutionize the game by signing two minimum contract goalies and playing 30 minutes of the game with skaters... game changer.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

We gave up extra pics to get rid of Ritchie, the breakdown is arguable, though. Giving up pics for Foligno and pretty every acquisition we made at that trade deadline that year (4 or 5) pics was a disaster, and now Mrazak after 1 year, this is all within 15 months, the amount of assets Dubas is wasting, it's getting ridiculous.

We only gave up a 3rd or distant 2nd. One pick. Not multiple.

Sakic had the same offer we did on the table for Foligno. I think it was Dubas' largest mistake thus far, but Sakic was bailed out from making the same mistake. If Foligno wanted to go to Colorado, Sakic makes the same trade Dubas did.

Honestly, even Tampa made the same mistake with Savard. Savard was awful with Tampa. It just turned out that they didn't really need him to win anyways, so it wasn't talked about. If Foligno was useless the entire time he played but we won the Cup, people probably don't think it is a bad move even though it still was.

In the end, I am not seeing many GM's making moves which I am liking more than Dubas'. Dubas just needs a team where his guys are actually doing what they are paid to do, or preferably exceeding it. That has not really happened yet, and it would look bad for any GM you decide to put in his spot instead.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Really shows how transparent and fake a bunch of you are if you’re complaining about the mrazek slide back.

 

[conFABulator]

....that's literally how the "out" works. You're making up your own rules now to cover up mediocre asset flow. The mrazek trade in isolation is good, but overall asset management remains mediocre and nothing worse praise.

Well if you are going to say my method doesn't work, shouldn't you show us how it does work?

When the offseason started Hyman and Andersen were already UFA...juts like Mikheyev and Lyubushkin and Campbell this year.

If Campbell comes back, he is on the "in" list.

How would you structure the final analysis (or current analysis) of last off season?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

you have to look at what Edmonton paid St Louis to move Kassian for context.

yea i was confused about that trade as well but damn hey ill take it.

 

[stickty111]

Holland traded down 4-5 spots to get rid of a contract, and it costed him an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder. Thats a bad deal. Dubas was fine

 

[Nylanderthal]

We gave up extra pics to get rid of Ritchie, the breakdown is arguable, though. Giving up pics for Foligno and pretty every acquisition we made at that trade deadline that year (4 or 5) pics was a disaster, and now Mrazak after 1 year, this is all within 15 months, the amount of assets Dubas is wasting, it's getting ridiculous.

The ones who complain the loudest around here are the ones who also wanted a foligno added to the group last year, Ritchie was nothing to get rid of, we traded him and either a 3rd or a distant 2nd for a guy most trade breakers predicted would cost around a 3rd to obtain. Absolute nothing burger. Cry more

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Thing is we don't know the solution yet, we have zero goalies right now. Why should we trust him to find a solution after last year?

I mean...he is trying to better our team right...? I'd imagine that is why he is being paid... Unless he somehow actively decides to sabotage us by signing an ECHL goalie and saying he's the next Martin Brodeur all while...behind the scenes he is promising all our picks and prospects to the Montreal canadiens as he's truly a secret habs fan?

I dont think we have much of a say here, all we can do is hope as we have been hoping for the longest time.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Thing is we don't know the solution yet, we have zero goalies right now. Why should we trust him to find a solution after last year?

He found solutions for the top 6 and bottom 6 last year on the cheap, and has added a number of quality d men over a few seasons to make a weakness into a strength. He also got Campbell for 2.5 seasons @750k then 1.65m for a couple 3rds Why wouldn’t you expect them to not fix this hole in the lines up considering the space they just opened up

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Holland traded down 4-5 spots to get rid of a contract, and it costed him an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder. Thats a bad deal. Dubas was fine

This is what is boggling my mind lol....how people are not seeing this haha

 

[Smif]

Really shows how transparent and fake a bunch of you are if you’re complaining about the mrazek slide back.

It's the last year and a half body of work that has me losing my faith in the upcoming offseason. With the exception of Bunting and Giordano (two local guys) it's been bad, really bad. My faith has been shook.

 

[Lemontree]

is that because those GMs are too proud to admit their mistake or because they aren't as bad of signings?

Foligno is the first example that comes to mind.

Foligno…..Foligno, the injured 3rd line winger that Dubas used last years 1st round on at the deadline. Yup……go ahead and laugh at Boston.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He didn't blow it. You just need evaluation lessons. He moved down 13 spots equal to a late 2nd to get rid of of a contract. Thats fine value. You want to see who made a terrible trade for context? Holland.


Did he not get back an early 2nd? Or do we not include that. By your logic, Holland traded a first too.

Are we really praising Dubas for not doing what Holland does? Holy God.

Next you're going to tell me that CHI lost this trade.

 

[Nylanderthal]

It's the last year and a half body of work that has me losing my faith in the upcoming offseason. With the exception of Bunting and Giordano (two local guys) it's been bad, really bad. My faith has been shook.

The year and a half where he got bunting Kase and kampf for half of what hyman and two elcs would’ve cost? Or where he got Gio for a couple 2nds and extended him at league minimum while Florida sends off firsts for chiarot?
Yeah, I totally get where you’re coming from

 

[ULF_55]

Mrazek and 25OA
for
$3.8 CS and 38OA

 

[NJG]

How is this good? You just traded another 1st round to dump a guy YOU just signed last year. People ragged Lou and the Marleau thing for less. Now all of a sudden this is good? Not how you build something that endures. This is his you build something desperate.

How is it not good? Was he just supposed to keep the bad contract and cap space? We dropped 13 spots to get rid of the contract, that's good. The value of player's is going to be around the same from 25 to 38 anyways.

And I already know the next reply... "He shouldn't of signed him to begin with." Well he did, get over it.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Are we really praising Dubas for not doing what Holland does? Holy God.

Next you're going to tell me that CHI lost this trade.

So you’re telling me there were other options on the table to clear all of that cap out and still maintain a top 40 pick? Sorry, is that you bobby margarita?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Really shows how transparent and fake a bunch of you are if you’re complaining about the mrazek slide back.

This post shows transparency too.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Holland traded down 4-5 spots to get rid of a contract, and it costed him an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder. Thats a bad deal. Dubas was fine

I dont think anyone has a problem with the value of the trade, it wasn't too bad at all. More the need to pay to get rid of a guy signed a year ago isn't ideal