Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[rdogg]

That's a possibility too. But I feel like Mrazek is the type of goalie who plays better on a looser team, so that plus goalie performance variance means he might actually do OK next year.

The posters arguing that it's his fault rather than Dubas's fault are out to lunch. People could guess that Mrazek and the Leafs weren't a fit from day one, and now the GM who made that evaluation is gearing up for a franchise-defining one.

Mrazek was literally hurt in the 1st period of his 1st start.

I wish Chicago all the best with the bandaid

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Its so disheartening to have a GM that plays so free and loose with Leafs draft picks that his scorched earth approach to constantly mortgaging the Leafs future to bail himself out of his own mistakes,

I could have won a million dollars betting Dubas was going to deal Leafs 1st away again for the 4th straight year to deal with his cap mismanagement.

So he traded Leafs 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th from this draft class alone,. .

And people are shocked when I dont praise him for this trade.

Never mind the fact that we are short a goalie going into an offseason with a goalie shortage.

 

[rocketman588]

The ones who complain the loudest around here are the ones who also wanted a foligno added to the group last year, Ritchie was nothing to get rid of, we traded him and either a 3rd or a distant 2nd for a guy most trade breakers predicted would cost around a 3rd to obtain. Absolute nothing burger. Cry more

Holland traded a distant third and a distant second to stay in the fist round yet I see people comparing his deal to the one we made to justify how much they "overpaid"

 

[Stephen]

Its so disheartening to have a GM that plays so free and loose with Leafs draft picks that his scorched earth approach to constantly mortgaging the Leafs future to bail himself out of his own mistakes,

I could have won a million dollars betting Dubas was going to deal Leafs 1st away again for the 4th straight year to deal with his cap mismanagement.

So he traded Leafs 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th from this draft class alone,. .

I feel the same way. I look back on the trade deadline and how the first rounder was basically untouchable, and thought it was a great thing they were so adamant about keeping an eye for the future. Keep the pipeline flowing, get those blue chippers onto the roster. Trade up to find the next core piece.

But knowing what we know now, wouldn't moving the pick for a player who could have helped us win Game 7, go on to beat Florida and the Rangers have been a better use of the asset?

For the positive spin on this, what will the reaction be if we have to trade next year's 1st and 2nd rounders to move out from under the guys we sign July 13?

 

[stickty111]

I dont think anyone has a problem with the value of the trade, it wasn't too bad at all. More the need to pay to get rid of a guy signed a year ago isn't ideal

I agree with this. Dubas can't be making mistakes like this in the first place.


At least he made up for it with a low price

 

[Nylanderthal]

Holland traded a distant third and a distant second to stay in the fist round yet I see people comparing his deal to the one we made to justify how much they "overpaid"

Holl and gave up a top 60 and a top 90 pick and moved back 4 spots to clear Kassian. That’s worse than sliding back 13 overall spots to unload mrazek. I really don’t care if it’s a “first round pick” it’s 13 spots. If it was 19 to 32 and they stayed in the “first round” would anyone care? It’s a hole to poke so miserable sacks like you can have something to whine about

 

[orbiter11]

Ducks: Rasmus Sandin , pick 38

Leafs: Gibson at 4 million

Thats a steep price to pay from a Leafs perspective, but id do it if I were a Ducks fan.

 

[Stephen]

That's a possibility too. But I feel like Mrazek is the type of goalie who plays better on a looser team, so that plus goalie performance variance means he might actually do OK next year.

The posters arguing that it's his fault rather than Dubas's fault are out to lunch. People could guess that Mrazek and the Leafs weren't a fit from day one, and now the GM who made that evaluation is gearing up for a franchise-defining one.

The Mrazek deal never made any sense in terms of player, style fit or contract length on the surface, but the Clear Sight community speculated that his saves matched the Leafs defensive environment so maybe they were onto something.

Add in Mrazek can get white hot, the thinking was maybe he makes a contribution and pushes Jack out the door. But from day one it wasn't that.

 

[rocketman588]

In general this trade is a solid B I would say honestly. All thoughts aside

If we use the cap space to gamble on husso for like 4.5 mil and he's not good or pay Jack 6 the value significantly diminishes.

Shouldn't have needed to waste a 1.

Did a solid job getting ok value to get out from the deal

The real test will be to see what we do with the money

 

[NarcoPolo]

You expected a star at #25? Seriously?

I absolutely expect there to be at the very least, a great player taken somewhere in between 25 and 38. The draft produces star players in that range fairly often. Pastrnak, Shea Theodore, Aho, Kyrou, Tage Thompson, etc. All good examples in recent memory.

 

[rocketman588]

Ducks: Rasmus Sandin , pick 38

Leafs: Gibson at 4 million

Thats a steep price to pay from a Leafs perspective, but id do it if I were a Ducks fan.

The ducks think they can make a run at the playoffs. Why would you trade your best goalie and retain him for a guy you can offer sheet and get for a second

 

[Nylanderthal]

In general this trade is a solid B I would say honestly. All thoughts aside

If we use the cap space to gamble on husso for like 4.5 mil and he's not good or pay Jack 6 the value significantly diminishes.

Shouldn't have needed to waste a 1.

Did a solid job getting ok value to get out from the deal

The real test will be to see what we do with the money

Waste a 1? They got back a pick 13 spots later, curious would it be “wasting a 1st” if they had 19 and traded back to 32?

 

[colchar]

I absolutely expect there to be at the very least, a great player taken somewhere in between 25 and 38. The draft produces star players in that range fairly often. Pastrnak, Shea Theodore, Aho, Kyrou, Tage Thompson, etc. All good examples in recent memory.

So you've got like half a dozen from the 13 spots each year. But you expect the Leafs to be the ones to hit on a star in that range, rather than some other team?

 

[Lemontree]

So you've got like half a dozen from the 13 spots each year. But you expect the Leafs to be the ones to hit on a star in that range, rather than some other team?

Can’t win the lottery if you don’t have a ticket. Also, we have been told by many that Dubas is a draft guru. Shouldn’t he have a better chance than the rest at finding a Pasternak?

 

[rocketman588]

Holl and gave up a top 60 and a top 90 pick and moved back 4 spots to clear Kassian. That’s worse than sliding back 13 overall spots to unload mrazek. I really don’t care if it’s a “first round pick” it’s 13 spots. If it was 19 to 32 and they stayed in the “first round” would anyone care? It’s a hole to poke so miserable sacks like you can have something to whine about

We just traded a top 60 pick to move Nick Ritchie by your logic.

When dubas does it is no big deal when Holland does then it's a massive over pay got it

 

[Stephen]

In general this trade is a solid B I would say honestly. All thoughts aside

If we use the cap space to gamble on husso for like 4.5 mil and he's not good or pay Jack 6 the value significantly diminishes.

Shouldn't have needed to waste a 1.

Did a solid job getting ok value to get out from the deal

The real test will be to see what we do with the money

For me, there are two questions.

1) Does this staff actually know how to identify the right kind of goaltending or are they placing bets randomly on some combination of affordability and 'good enough'.

2) This is a general question, but in the future, how can Dubas and Keefe avoid turning guys like Ritchie and Mrazek into negative value players in such a short time span? Is there any way they can learn to utilize these guys differently when there's a sign of a bad fit? This asset burn to disappear contracts cannot happen on a regular basis moving forward.

 

[NarcoPolo]

People don't understand that the likelihood of drafting an NHLer at 25 vs 38 is pretty close to the same.

They may have drafted Firkus, Hutson, Beck, Del Bel at 25. They might draft one of them at 38 (or someone else) - 20-50 is legitimately just pick a guy territory out of a large group.

The value in pick #38 is a little bit more than half the value of a #25 pick.. The difference here is that we obviously aren’t adding two second round picks tomorrow.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Its so disheartening to have a GM that plays so free and loose with Leafs draft picks that his scorched earth approach to constantly mortgaging the Leafs future to bail himself out of his own mistakes,

I could have won a million dollars betting Dubas was going to deal Leafs 1st away again for the 4th straight year to deal with his cap mismanagement.

So he traded Leafs 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th from this draft class alone,. .

Leafs trade Petr Mrázek to Chicago, dropping out of first round of NHL draft in process

Leafs trade down from 25th overall pick to 38th pick in cap dump, but now have more than $10 million in cap space for free agency next week.

www.thestar.com

Leaf trends

The Leafs have drafted only once in the first round in the past four years, taking Rodion Amirov 15th overall in 2020, with a pick they received from the Pittsburgh Penguins. They traded their own 2020 pick to unload Patrick Marleau. And they traded their 2021 pick in the Nick Foligno deal.

With Dubas as a GM with a penchant for trading his draft capital, the Leafs have generally gotten good grades with the few draft choices they’ve had. Matthew Knies was a second-rounder last year who projects to be a top-six forward. Ty Voit – a fifth-rounder last year — had a big year in Sarnia. Both he and Knies have been invited to camp to try for roster spots with Team USA for the COVID-delayed World Junior Championships to be held in August. The Leafs also took Russian goalie Vyacheslav Peksa in the seventh round.

The Leafs now have three picks on Friday (one in the second round, one in the third, one in the seventh).

“Last year we had a second, a fifth in the sixth. This year we have two picks in the top 80. So last year was a difficult one,” said Dubas. “We still got Knies. We picked him late in the second and he’s had a very good year. Ty Voit is going to go to the U.S. camp and Peksa was on the Russian Under-20 team at the end of the year."

“We don’t want to make a habit of picking only three times, but it’s largely a reflection of where we’re at as a team and try to continue to push forward. If there is a way for us to recoup some of that draft capital without depleting our team, then we will.”

Under Dubas, the Leafs have tended to take the player with the most talent, which includes speed and high hockey IQ. They worry less about size and braun, but will take it if it’s there. They are more about taking the best player available rather than drafting to address organizational positional need.

Dubas has been GM of the Leafs since the 2018 draft. Since that time a number of players he drafted have already made the NHL: Rasmus Sandin (88 games), Nick Robertson (16 games), Nick Abruzzese (nine games) all with the Leafs. Sean Durzi has played 64 games in Los Angeles, part of a trade for Jake Muzzin.

Prospects like Pontus Holmberg (156th overall in 2018), Roni Hirvonen (59th overall in 2020), Topi Niemela (64th overall in 2020) will be among prospects at training camp with a decent chance to make the team.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Can’t win the lottery if you don’t have a ticket. Also, we have been told by many that Dubas is a draft guru. Shouldn’t he have a better chance than the rest at finding a Pasternak?

Good thing they have the 38th pick as they lottery ticket then - a pick that historically has a very similar % chance of working out as the 25th pick (or any of the picks in between them)

 

[hotpaws]

Who the hell was going to give us that?

What do you think it would take to move from 38th into the 1st rd at 25 ?

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

The value in pick #38 is a little bit more than half the value of a #25 pick.. The difference here is that we obviously aren’t adding two second round picks tomorrow.

 

[rocketman588]

For me, there are two questions.

1) Does this staff actually know how to identify the right kind of goaltending or are they placing bets randomly on some combination of affordability and 'good enough'.

2) This is a general question, but in the future, how can Dubas and Keefe avoid turning guys like Ritchie and Mrazek into negative value players in such a short time span? Is there any way they can learn to utilize these guys differently when there's a sign of a bad fit? This asset burn to disappear contracts cannot happen on a regular basis moving forward.

We spend the most money on scouting in the entire NHL. Cap dumping 2 UFAs within a year and wasting picks for foligno and Riley Nash make me wonder why we're doing that.

We should have the least wasted assets in the league with the amount we invest into getting it right

 

[therealkoho]

No. He just ******* traded a 1st to get rid of Mrazek.

A 25th and a 38th will almost net you the same player

1st to 10th are usually elite guys in an average draft

11th to 20th should still get you a guy that plays within 2 - 3 years

21st through 35th may get you a player who performs really well in the A and if everything works out and the kid keeps his nose clean and puts in all the hard work, has a chance of playing in your bottom pair or on the 4th line

36th through the last pick in the 3rd round no one really knows

4th round and later mostly fodder for the farm but miracles do happen

 

[Lemontree]

Good thing they have the 38th pick as they lottery ticket then - a pick that historically has a very similar % chance of working out as the 25th pick (or any of the picks in between them)

If you identify someone as “your guy”, you are now pressing your luck that he isn’t selected in those picks in between. You trade back because you don’t see a tangible difference between those grouped players……..doesn’t mean the difference isn’t there.

 

[orbiter11]

The ducks think they can make a run at the playoffs. Why would you trade your best goalie and retain him for a guy you can offer sheet and get for a second

So you don't have to offer sheet him and over pay. Also the fact that the Leafs are probably going to sign Sandin, since hes a legit top 4 D. Ah yea your forgetting the pick 38. Ducks will be good in 2 or 3 more years, when Gibsons contract is coming to an end. If you don't want a cost controlled Nhl D man that took 3 years to develop fine. the Deal would probably blow up in the Leafs face anyway lol.