Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[NarcoPolo]

The difference between 25th and 38th is not a late 7th, nor does it align with any transaction ever made with draft picks. Almost all models predict the same gap in value between a 25th and 38th pick (mid 2nd round pick)

 

[rocketman588]

There has been a lot of bad asset management in the last few years but what can you do? I'm just a casual fan who enjoys reading this forum. I can have my opinion just like everyone else. Just don't feel like sharing it too much. I'm not fully educated and aware when it comes to hockey, so I tend to just lurk and try to learn through various means.


Tl;Dr aside - Disappointed not to get a fun pick, relieved to see Mrazek go, hopeful that some good moves are ahead in terms of signings, trades and drafting.

Swing and a miss on Mrazek... seems like more of our swings become misses lately. Best of luck in Chicago Mrazek, can't say I'll miss you.

Hopefully whoever we pick turns out to be a player+

The Habs hawks and leafs made the draft interesting at least lol

 

[LeafsStorm]

The Habs hawks and leafs made the draft interesting at least lol

I'm still catching up on everything.. delivered pizzas well into the night lol

 

[rocketman588]

I'm still catching up on everything.. delivered pizzas well into the night lol

Nice. They need to half the time and possibly make the first two rounds day one. That was a grind by the end

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I'm still catching up on everything.. delivered pizzas well into the night lol

you and the gentleman with the pepperoni pizza display picture are terrible influences for me now...

but im glad you are able to relax and enjoy

 

[Mess]

I feel the same way. I look back on the trade deadline and how the first rounder was basically untouchable, and thought it was a great thing they were so adamant about keeping an eye for the future. Keep the pipeline flowing, get those blue chippers onto the roster. Trade up to find the next core piece.

But knowing what we know now, wouldn't moving the pick for a player who could have helped us win Game 7, go on to beat Florida and the Rangers have been a better use of the asset?

Little did we know that the Leafs master plan was to protect the 1st round pick at the trade deadline so we could dump Mrazek at the entry draft.

 

[BigBlu]

Little did we know that the Leafs master plan was to protect the 1st round pick at the trade deadline so we could dump Mrazek at the entry draft.

100% necessary and the right move.

Highlights just how bad Dubas screwed up that signing. That was as clear of a public admission of guilt as you will ever see. Penance for past grievous sins.

With multiple players needing to be signed and a diminishing amount of cap,,, the drop of 13 slots in this draft was a painful but necessary move to make. Unless you can find a taker for John Tavares....

 

[Canada4Gold]

I would've rather given up 57 straight up and drafted Lambert....

I too would like to have given up a pick we no longer own. Unfortunately I think Chicago would object to us trying to trade a pick to them that they already own

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm still catching up on everything.. delivered pizzas well into the night lol

The one thing I like about using the delivery apps is that if I don’t feel like going out a certain day/time I’m not beholden to anyone to do so, that said thursdays are usually pretty decent earning nights and the weekdays have been dead recently

Its so disheartening to have a GM that plays so free and loose with Leafs draft picks that his scorched earth approach to constantly mortgaging the Leafs future to bail himself out of his own mistakes,

I could have won a million dollars betting Dubas was going to deal Leafs 1st away again for the 4th straight year to deal with his cap mismanagement.

So he traded Leafs 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th from this draft class alone,. .

The fact you’re a moderator is disheartening

 

[hotpaws]

That isnt what hes saying. Hes saying the difference in expected value of the two picks in terms of drafting an effective player.

As in the model hes using says the chance of a 25th overall pick being an effective NHLer vs fhe 38th is about the same chance as having an additional 6th round pick. It's a bit lower than some of the other pick value models I've seen though.

Hes not saying on the trade market value, hes just saying essentially the leafs arent giving up much in terms of quality of prospect they will get at 38 vs 25

I believe he said a 7th but teams will pay a premium so it’s a 7th and/or 6th which means he indicating trade value does it not ?

Anyway whatever gibberish Earl whoever this random nobody blogger is wants to spew is meaningless since we’re discussing an actual trade and what it actually requires to move up from 38 to 25 .

I’ll put it this way , if there was no cap dump would you and the stats people on here be happy if Dubas moved from 25th and got the premium deal Earl was mentioning which was the 38th and 6th/7th rd pick for moving down ?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

The difference between 25th and 38th is not a late 7th, nor does it align with any transaction ever made with draft picks. Almost all models predict the same gap in value between a 25th and 38th pick (mid 2nd round pick)

I think he meant in terms of the type of players those picks produce rather than the actual trade value. Late 1sts and early 2nds are usually a group of similarly talented players and it doesn't really drop off that much in terms of nhl probability until later.

 

[Dave92]

I haven't read all the pages but i assume Dubas is being praised for brilliance after he had to trade out of the 1st round to dump a UFA he signed less than 12 months ago?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I haven't read all the pages but i assume Dubas is being praised for brilliance after he had to trade out of the 1st round to dump a UFA he signed less than 12 months ago?

Yes, he made a mistake with Mzarek. Many people thought he was stuck with it and it would handcuff our team for the next two years, but Dubas owned it and traded him in a trade down type senerio. It was a bad signing, but the brilliance was in correcting the bad move. Even Dubas can't go back in time and not sign him.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Still a better use of our first round pick than when we traded it for Nick f***ing Foligno.

 

[Superstar]

Little did we know that the Leafs master plan was to protect the 1st round pick at the trade deadline so we could dump Mrazek at the entry draft.

Good thing Dubas still has next year's first for whoever he will sign as a free agent this year.

 

[BayStBullies]

I haven't read all the pages but i assume Dubas is being praised for brilliance after he had to trade out of the 1st round to dump a UFA he signed less than 12 months ago?

I haven't read your response; but, I assume it adds nothing to the discussion and is worthless as usual?

 

[Bomber0104]

At least we got some playoff production out Marleau vs Mrazek.

A huge black eye on Dubas that’s going to go down in the books as his worst FA signing before he’s fired.

No question at all.

 

[Bomber0104]

If the worst FA signing your GM makes is a platoon goalie for under 4m that you’re able to unload for sliding back a dozen spots in the draft then I’d argue your GM is pretty good with free agent signings. Of course you’re going to reply with some nonsense that isn’t even worth replying to, much like this garbage was, but it’s late and I’m bored

Bleeding assets to have another try at the free agent market.

Big time L and now he gives himself another shot at the plate for scrap goalies.

Amazing anyone pretends to take the soon to be fired GM of the Leafs seriously anymore , he’s doing the JFJ playbook of mortgaging the future to plug holes that he created.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Bleeding assets to have another try at the free agent market.

Big time L and now he gives himself another shot at the plate for scrap goalies.

Amazing anyone pretends to take the soon to be fired GM of the Leafs seriously anymore , he’s doing the JFJ playbook of mortgaging the future to plug holes.

“Bleeding assets” check out Florida, pitts, the island, Boston if you wanna talk about bleeding assets? It’s exhausting with you people.
Scrap goalies? They have $14m in cap space to fill a couple goalies and some middle/bottom 6 forwards and maybe a 6/7d man.
That’s before the potential to backfill some draft capital tomorrow or Saturday by trading useful guys with value like Holl & Kerfoot.
They actually have a good chunk of cap to fill the holes.

 

[Bomber0104]

“Bleeding assets” check out Florida, pitts, the island, Boston if you wanna talk about bleeding assets? It’s exhausting with you people.
Scrap goalies? They have $14m in cap space to fill a couple goalies and some middle/bottom 6 forwards and maybe a 6/7d man.
That’s before the potential to backfill some draft capital tomorrow or Saturday by trading useful guys with value like Holl & Kerfoot.
They actually have a good chunk of cap to fill the holes.

What a desperate situation we're in where we have to trade 1'st round picks away to clean up self-inflicted messes from last off-season.

Not sure why other teams mistakes should make us feel good about ours either.

I'm all for looking for positives where there is one, but this is pretty much waiving the white flag and admitting we have zero control over our goaltenders.

We will get scraps and we will pay top dollar for it once again.

Hopefully works out better than the last Dubas rookie move, chasing Petr Mrazek

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Good shit from Dubas.

Moving down 13 spots to get rid of Mrazek is well worth it.

Ummm. Did he not also sign Peter the Leakey to that rediculous contract as well.

 

[FlareKnight]

I haven't read all the pages but i assume Dubas is being praised for brilliance after he had to trade out of the 1st round to dump a UFA he signed less than 12 months ago?

Yeah, that's basically it. I mean great he did manage to get out of that mess. But since it was a mess that he made himself and he had to devalue his own limited draft picks to manage it...I'm not going to give him much praise for that.

Still is the right move to make since if he doesn't make the most use of the space he's opened up he won't be the GM long enough to have to worry about what the picks he makes this year turn into.

Not much else to say. The move itself is fine, but the fact that it had to be made at all is a negative.

 

[Auston Powers]

Coming in late here... but.

We shed 3.x.

Resign Campbell
Resign Mikheyev
Sign RFA Sandin

I am SOOOO ok with this

25 to 38 meh

Knies
Amirov
Robertson
Niemela


Not worried

 

[Nylanderthal]

Of course Marleau was his fault. He chose to pay the first to move him.
This was a way better move than that.

What other options did the outgoing GM & the player leave him in the marleau situation? Lou completely mismanaged the contract structure and the player took his bag and went home and demanded a trade. Please enlighten the room.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If Mrazek was another Jack Campbell, 3 x 3.8 mill was a steal.

People have this notion that Mrazek was some injury-prone goalie. He wasn't injury prone until he got here. That is the problem. That is why changes were made there.

He suffered a freak thumb injury last year. The year before, he suffered a concussion which caused him to miss like 2 weeks. Not seeing anything which suggests either were an issue this year.

Recency bias, and an real inability/shortcoming of a lot on here to see anything beyond what a player does in blue & white. Unless of course they have obvious success with a cup winner after leaving here.
Mrazek was a worthy gamble and if he played to his decade long career average he would have been a fine signing and a good insurance policy for the situation we’re now in with jack supposedly pricing himself out of town.
Unfortunately the player sucked ass this year for various reasons and the group decided to a clean slate was needed.
I’m not sure how any level headed person would interpret this as anything else