Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[DarkKnight]

Glad he’s gone and we don’t have to try and sell him as a viable option next year. Dubas did fine on this transaction, given the situation, but the whole mess is a net negative for the organization in the end, so high praise is the last thing I’d offer.

I will not miss Mrazek having absolutely no idea where rebounds were going, it was incredible to watch. That’s a hell of a D structure in Carolina.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes ideally you don’t have to move back any spots to unload an awful contract and yes Dubas has done it multiple times now whether it was his signing or not (Marleau). I get being upset if you’re looking at it that way.

I'm not upset and I understand that not everyone will share the same opinion. I do find it fascinating though that some will continue to go to any length to defend absolutely everything and with the arrogance to believe that their OPINION is the only correct one.

The trade was good, having to make the trade is bad.
I don't see what there is to celebrate.

 

[francis246]

The player they wanted, assuming it was Ohgren, was just wishful thinking. Every mock draft had him going before our pick. McGroarty going so high was unfortunate but I guarantee you no one on this board would have been fine with moving up 11 spots to select him at 14th overall and giving up what it would probably cost in order to move up that high.

I think ohgren was their guy, I kind of wish they moved up to get him. But oh well, I’m not gonna dwell on it. I’ll save my judgement until I see how they utilize the cap space

 

[Go4soda]

it’s reassuring to see that the leafs pick possibly would have been Ohgren. big, power winger with great puck skill. that’s what the leafs should be valuing

 

[Nineteen67]

If he brings in Murray, there needs to be an investigation.

 

[ACC1224]

I think ohgren was their guy, I kind of wish they moved up to get him. But oh well, I’m not gonna dwell on it. I’ll save my judgement until I see how they utilize the cap space

Yeah first thought I had was if they had a guy they liked, why not move up and secure him instead of just watching and losing out?
Perhaps they tried, I'm sure we don't have all the info.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'm not upset and I understand that not everyone will share the same opinion. I do find it fascinating though that some will continue to go to any length to defend absolutely everything and with the arrogance to believe that their OPINION is the only correct one.

The trade was good, having to make the trade is bad.
I don't see what there is to celebrate.

We signed a sieve who ended up costing us a first rounder. So Leafy to celebrate. We got out of a bad situation we created, so you’re happy for it but it’s simple, Peter Mrazek was a net negative for the Leafs, and there is no disputing it. He goes down on the FAIL side of the ledger for Dubas and if you can’t accept that, an internal rethink required.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think ohgren was their guy, I kind of wish they moved up to get him. But oh well, I’m not gonna dwell on it. I’ll save my judgement until I see how they utilize the cap space

Let’s hope they use it wisely and not give Campbell the 5 million he wants… From Dubas’ interview last night, it sounds like he could be closing in on a trade for a goaltender. Let’s also hope we don’t put all our chips on Murray heading into the season lol

 

[Sypher04]

I'm not upset and I understand that not everyone will share the same opinion. I do find it fascinating though that some will continue to go to any length to defend absolutely everything and with the arrogance to believe that their OPINION is the only correct one.

The trade was good, having to make the trade is bad.
I don't see what there is to celebrate.

I don’t really see why people have to make this a discussion of people coming to his defence.

No one is really here claiming the mrazek signing was a good one. And whether it was bad or not is kind of an irrelevant conversation in the here and now.

As of yesterday at the draft, that player and that contract were on our team/books; that’s the key info. Dubas found a way to get out of that for a very low cost. He’s full marks now for fixing it, just as he deserved questioning for the signing.

The ultimate result is a fairly negligible net loss

 

[francis246]

Yeah first thought I had was if they had a guy they liked, why not move up and secure him instead of just watching and losing out?
Perhaps they tried, I'm sure we don't have all the info.

I’m sure they tried to get one of the Minnesota picks. I know Dubas talked to Bill Guerin for a while yesterday!

 

[ACC1224]

We signed a sieve who ended up costing us a first rounder. So Leafy to celebrate. We got out of a bad situation we created, so you’re happy for it but it’s simple, Peter Mrazek was a net negative for the Leafs, and there is no disputing it. He goes down on the FAIL side of the ledger for Dubas and if you can’t accept that, an internal rethink required.

"yeah but did you see what Holland paid?"

Haven't seen this much coping since our pool liner was replaced.

 

[BertCorbeau]

We signed a sieve who ended up costing us a first rounder. So Leafy to celebrate. We got out of a bad situation we created, so you’re happy for it but it’s simple, Peter Mrazek was a net negative for the Leafs, and there is no disputing it. He goes down on the FAIL side of the ledger for Dubas and if you can’t accept that, an internal rethink required.

making it sound worse than it is… it cost them 13 draft positions. They didn’t outright lose a 1st. They gained a 2nd. And the net result is moving down 13 spots in the draft.

And Dubas likely saw the player(s) they like at 25 would be available at 38.

 

[Jozay]

Ummm. Did he not also sign Peter the Leakey to that rediculous contract as well.

Im obviously only judging the trade.

 

[ACC1224]

I’m sure they tried to get one of the Minnesota picks. I know Dubas talked to Bill Guerin for a while yesterday!

Not surprised, be interesting to know what was offered.

 

[4thline]

Small thing, but it would have been nice to get one of their 6th rounders back just to add another body an even it up.

I'm of mixed mind. On one side, good chance we pick either the exact same player or someone we ranked interchangeably, so we effectively gave up nothing and now have a lot of flexibility.

On the other, in reality the opportunity cost of doing this was trading back (probably another 2nd) and that does sting a bit, plus there's a decent chance Mrazek rebounds this year.

Big solid meh, not my favourite move.

 

[PanniniClaus]

With mrazek out the door if they found two cost effective solutions they felt comfortable with they could really grab an impact player. They have over 12m to fill goaltending and a couple support forwards.
That’s actually pretty good

I was kidding by the way... i liked the deal given the situation.

 

[DarkKnight]

making it sound worse than it is… it cost them 13 draft positions. They didn’t outright lose a 1st. They gained a 2nd. And the net result is moving down 13 spots in the draft.

And Dubas likely saw the player(s) they like at 25 would be available at 38.

It’s a net negative for the organization, that ain’t spin or an opinion.

We put him on waivers last year too, so hard to compute the cost of that cap space on the team flexibility.

 

[ACC1224]

Wonder what the outlook will be a few years from now if the kid taken at 25 turns out to be a stud?

 

[DarkKnight]

I was kidding by the way... i liked the deal given the situation.

I agree with this, given the situation, he did fine.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I haven't read all the pages but i assume Dubas is being praised for brilliance after he had to trade out of the 1st round to dump a UFA he signed less than 12 months ago?

You've either been away from here a very time or you're just trolololololololoing. Dubas is being shit on by all the usual suspects. Why? Because he made a move and the fact that it was a very good move, a move not one single person is criticizing (which is incredibly rare and tells you just how good a move it was) doesn't matter the least bit. It doesn't matter what Dubas does any more because no matter what he does triggers a massive whine fest.

 

[Sypher04]

It’s a net negative for the organization, that ain’t spin or an opinion.

We put him on waivers last year too, so hard to compute the cost of that cap space on the team flexibility.

You’re not wrong. It’s just ultimately a very minor net negative. It’s a fail, just one that’s easily lived with. Either way though, not a mistake you want to see continually repeated

 

[Sypher04]

On the other, in reality the opportunity cost of doing this was trading back (probably another 2nd) and that does sting a bit, plus there's a decent chance Mrazek rebounds this year.

I don’t agree with this line of thinking, which I’ve seen presented by several people, not just yourself.

Chicago was willing to essentially buy a move up the draft using cap space, that doesn’t at all mean they would have had any interest in parting with a 2nd rounder to make the same move. Those are different cost/benefits.

 

[DarkKnight]

You’re not wrong. It’s just ultimately a very minor net negative. It’s a fail, just one that’s easily lived with. Either way though, not a mistake you want to see continually repeated

Sure, it isn’t the end of the world, but just don’t tell me it’s a “good move” in isolation. I’m just glad he’s gone, I simply couldn’t accept we would go with this guy again next year. Let’s see what Dubas does now that he has flexibility.

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s a net negative for the organization, that ain’t spin or an opinion.

We put him on waivers last year too, so hard to compute the cost of that cap space on the team flexibility.

with all the self inflicted wounds they have to treat, Dr Wickenheiser can consider this an ER rotation.

 

[DarkKnight]

with all the self inflicted wound they have to treat, Dr Wickenheiser can consider this an ER rotation.

3 of last 4 drafts no first rounder.