Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[Ianturnedbull]

The best part about all this, every who wanted Mrazek gone, is still bitching now that Mrazek was gone.

And the people are bitching, are literally bitching at an arbitrary cutoff of #32.

If Dubas trades back to #32, or if there were 38 teams in the league, I bet no one complains

Wow. What an interesting spin.

I get it. If we all had a million dollars no one would ever complain that we don't have a billion dollars.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Indefensible. The whole Mrazek fiasco is easily Dubas' worst move as GM.

Still, it's better then that Oilers Kassian deal.

That's the Kadri trade and will never not be the Kadri trade.

But Mrazek did suck

 

[thewave]

By your same logic, we could say that we traded Mrazek for a high 2nd round pick.

Or we could just be honest and acknowledge that the trade was Mrazek for 13 negligible draft slots.

Negligible draft slots? If a damn good player you want slides a little and you're not able to select them because of this.... not so negligible anymore huh. Aho for instance, not so negligible range of picks I guess. I don't see the logic in what you have said.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Not a terrible trade at all, but man are they in a risky position goaltending wise. Right now their 2 goalies would be Kallgren and Woll.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Okay who was our first rounder last night? Are you Dubas trolls for real.

Later lol.

They didn't draft in the first round, and will likely draft at 38 who they would have drafted if they kept their pick last night.

Its 13 slots down. It isn't nothing of course, but if the Leafs had a player at 25 available to them that they had say, top 5 in their draft/the difference between that player and the next one on their list, they likely don't make this trade. Hence why Dubas is even quoted saying they had a couple of guys circled and once they were gone (Ohgren is widely believed to be one) - they decided to move down, because the next crop on their list is likely to be available at 38.

Negligible draft slots? If a damn good player you want slides a little and you're not able to select them because of this.... not so negligible anymore huh. Aho for instance, not so negligible range of picks I guess. I don't see the logic in what you have said.

If they had Lambert high on their list they wouldn't have traded down. Dubas literally said once their guys were picked they were comfortable moving down.

 

[ACC1224]

Negligible draft slots? If a damn good player you want slides a little and you're not able to select them because of this.... not so negligible anymore huh. Aho for instance, not so negligible range of picks I guess. I don't see the logic in what you have said.

Whoever they pick at 38 will be the exact player they wanted and there will be shock that the player was still available.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do people forget where we drafted Knies? What about where we drafted Tyler Biggs

There‘s little difference between 25 and 38 if you have good scouting.

Why? Why do you have to bring up Tyler Biggs? Why must you bring back those memories?

Why did you have to do that to me?

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Why? Why do you have to bring up Tyler Biggs? Why must you bring back those memories?

Why did you have to do that to me?

Gibson and Rakell for Biggs.

f***

 

[kb]

So a goalie has an injury plagued season and that is on the GM now as a terrible move? He puts up even slightly better numbers approaching his career averages, and it's a nothing burger.

Sliding back 13 spots is not a lot at this point in the draft....equivalent to a late 7th in value.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Negligible draft slots? If a damn good player you want slides a little and you're not able to select them because of this.... not so negligible anymore huh.

The difference between the 25th pick and the 38th pick is rather negligible, especially in a draft like this, and especially when you don't have a specific target that will only be available at 25. Indications are that our targets were taken before 25, and that we'll be able to pick somebody at 38 that is high on our list and is in the same tier of prospect as what we would have got at 25.

 

[4thline]

Sliding back 13 spots is not a lot at this point in the draft....equivalent to a late 7th in value.

Eh, that model is definitely an outlier. May well be the "functional" value, but it's certainly not the transactional value/ opportunity cost based on precedent.

 

[Twine Tickler]

smart move. Mrazek is just not the type of goaltender that we need. Far too busy in the blue paint. It was a mistake signing from the get go. The difference in caliber of player from 25 to 38 is not that substantial TBH. Very small price to pay to save almost 4M in cap space.

I completely trust our scouting staff to select a good player at 38.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Whoever they pick at 38 will be the exact player they wanted and there will be shock that the player was still available.

Or they're comfortable picking one of a few guys, knowing at least one of them will be available, and letting their player development do the rest.

If the scouts are absolutely adamant about a player then perhaps you take the player. Last year - Dubas said they had trade down options for the Knies pick but the scouts felt strongly about taking him so they did. Looks like once their guys came off the board they were happy to move down knowing they'd get one of the next guys on their list still.

 

[kb]

Yep. 13 draft spots at the top of the draft.

I define the top of the draft as the top of the draft, not a late first to an early second....

 

[Holymakinaw]

The difference between the 25th pick and the 38th pick is rather negligible, especially in a draft like this, and especially when you don't have a specific target that will only be available at 25. Indications are that our targets were taken before 25, and that we'll be able to pick somebody at 38 that is high on our list and is in the same tier of prospect as what we would have got at 25.

Meh. Picking in the 1st round is always better than picking in the 2nd round. I understand that it had to happen to get out of that mistake of a contract, but I'd always prefer a 25OA pick to a 38OA one, 100 times out of 100. Not the end of the world, to be sure. But a shame that we signed Mrazek to that deal in the 1st place and had to clean it up.

 

[Nineteen67]

The old Jedi mind trick. Never gets old.

The mistake was made last summer and the cost was realised when they were handcuffed at the TDL.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Eh, that model is definitely an outlier. May well be the "functional" value, but it's certainly not the transactional value/ opportunity cost based on precedent.

Opportunity cost likely of a very late 2nd or early 3rd I think in some public models. Compared to what Kassian needed to be moved (a 2nd and a 3rd) - feels like they did pretty good moving Mrazek for only one of those picks worth of cost IMO.

 

[fahad203]

Can’t say we didn’t make it to the 2nd round

Very curious to see who we pick

As stated. Most ppl are not p*****ed because what we gave up but rather why. Anyone who watched Mrazek over the years knew he had injury riddled career and he was inconsistent

If Lambert turns out to be a star, Kyle diva and his fans will never hear the end of me

 

[andora]

Isnt the first rounder to hallinder and pick as the 2nd rounder is to mccann

We had to USE a first rounder again for a contract. We ended up getting a draft pick back.

Everything is neglible interchangable and daisy again...

 

[ACC1224]

Or they're comfortable picking one of a few guys, knowing at least one of them will be available, and letting their player development do the rest.

If the scouts are absolutely adamant about a player then perhaps you take the player. Last year - Dubas said they had trade down options for the Knies pick but the scouts felt strongly about taking him so they did. Looks like once their guys came off the board they were happy to move down knowing they'd get one of the next guys on their list still.

Agreed. I have no doubt that there was thought behind the move.

 

[ToneDog]

Yep. 13 draft spots at the top of the draft.

Small price to pay to get out of a huge blunder. My problem is the number of blunders.

Off the top of my head:

Sparks (garbage)
Hutch (more garbage)
Rittich (seriously a 3rd?)
Barrie (just puked)
Ceci
Foligno (so much worse than losing this year's first)
Malgin (could not resist this smurf)
Petan (tiny mistake)
McCann (sorry he is better than Kerfoot and Holl)
Anderson (yeah he is going to play soon)
Kapanen (waiting for somebody to replace him)
Jumbo (waste of time and they started him on the first line and needed to sit in the playoffs)
Vesey (seriously ??)
Ritchie (everybody knew Ritchie's rep but how does 2x2.5 sound ??)
Mrazek (you gave the Canes' sloppy second's 3x3.8m ??)

You can do the math wrt the players we have let walk for nothing because we have been in cap hell since this guy took over.

End of rant. Now find us a f'n goalie that can stay healthy and play.

 

[andora]

Small price to pay to get out of a huge blunder. My problem is the number of blunders.

Off the top of my head:

Sparks
Hutch
Rittich
Barrie
Ceci
Foligno
Malgin
Petan (tiny mistake)
McCann (sorry he is better than Kerfoot and Holl)
Anderson (yeah he is going to play soon)
Kapanen (waiting for somebody to replace him)
Jumbo (waste of time and they started him on the first line and needed to sit in the playoffs)
Vesey (seriously ??)
Ritchie
Mrazek

You can do the math wrt the players we have let walk for nothing.

I would like to see one of those assets out assets in lists.. be interesting

 

[Cor]

Why? Why do you have to bring up Tyler Biggs? Why must you bring back those memories?

Why did you have to do that to me?

hahah yeah I know.

 

[ToneDog]

Can’t say we didn’t make it to the 2nd round

Very curious to see who we pick

As stated. Most ppl are not p*****ed because what we gave up but rather why. Anyone who watched Mrazek over the years knew he had injury riddled career and he was inconsistent

If Lambert turns out to be a star, Kyle diva and his fans will never hear the end of me

There is a reason this guy dropped so far down. Anything is possible but most likely all the scouts that soured on him are not wrong.

 

[SprDaVE]

Small price to pay to get out of a huge blunder. My problem is the number of blunders.

Off the top of my head:

Sparks (garbage)
Hutch (more garbage)
Rittich (seriously a 3rd?)
Barrie (just puked)
Ceci
Foligno (so much worse than losing this year's first)
Malgin (caould not resist this smurf)
Petan (tiny mistake)
McCann (sorry he is better than Kerfoot and Holl)
Anderson (yeah he is going to play soon)
Kapanen (waiting for somebody to replace him)
Jumbo (waste of time and they started him on the first line and needed to sit in the playoffs)
Vesey (seriously ??)
Ritchie (everybody knew Ritchie's rep but how does 2x2.5 sound ??)
Mrazek (you gave the Canes' sloppy second's 3x3.8m ??)

You can do the math wrt the players we have let walk for nothing because we have been in cap hell since this guy took over.

End of rant. Now find us a f'n goalie that can stay healthy and play.

Always looking at only the negatives is a good way to always be angry.