Value of: Top Dollar for Lafreniere

[bleedblue94]

Man that's brutal. How can you be that lazy 2 shifts into a hockey game?

out of shape...

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Victor olofsson.
Sabres take a rehab project
Rangers get a pp specialist and a scorer

 

[bleedblue94]

A team out West that plays a heavy game might make sense. Maybe someone like Vegas or Dallas? LA or Minnesota might make some sense too. If his highest score is compete and the other scores are that bad, that clearly says he needs to find success on some teams 3rd line.

Anaheim makes a lot of sense, and even one of their prospect d for laffy trade could make sense

 

[pth2]

I'm thinking his value depends on the cap NYR take back.

As a Habs fan, I wouldn't go over our 2nd (still a top 40 pick) and a warm body like Ylönen. That's unlikely to be enough, but I wouldn't go far above that.

If a young RD could be of interest, Barron might be available, too.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

Victor olofsson.
Sabres take a rehab project
Rangers get a pp specialist and a scorer

How is that fair to trade a 28 goal scorer (basically 30) for someone who scored 19 once & never broke 40 points.

I want to trade VO eventually too but with some actual tangible value coming back.

In what world is Laf, who's shown next to nothing, worth even him? Think smaller.

And I used to believe in Laf tbh but I think we've seen enough of him to at least deduce he's not a 1st round pick talent.

BTW: I am aware of the irony of not even trading a former 7th round pick for former 1st overall. Says a lot right there.

 

[Savant]

Honestly think something like Lafreniere and Jones for Pinto (and change maybe) is the deal that kind of makes the most logistic sense. Maybe? That at least balances the Rangers better

 

[The Real JT]

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[TGWL]

How is that fair to trade a 28 goal scorer (basically 30) for someone who scored 19 once & never broke 40 points.

I want to trade VO eventually too but with some actual tangible value coming back.

In what world is Laf, who's shown next to nothing, worth even him? Think smaller.

And I used to believe in Laf tbh but I think we've seen enough of him to at least deduce he's not a 1st round pick talent.

BTW: I am aware of the irony of not even trading a former 7th round pick for former 1st overall. Says a lot right there.

He scored 34 power play goals out of 83. He's not going to get the same powerplay minutes on another team. Pump the brakes, right now they're both terrible players.

I'm thinking his value depends on the cap NYR take back.

As a Habs fan, I wouldn't go over our 2nd (still a top 40 pick) and a warm body like Ylönen. That's unlikely to be enough, but I wouldn't go far above that.

If a young RD could be of interest, Barron might be available, too.

You have the Avs 2nd, not your own. I think eventually Montreal will stop being an early pick so I don't know that the following year will be top 40.

 

[Bizz]

League Minimum is top dollar for Lafrenbust.

 

[TS Quint]

How is that fair to trade a 28 goal scorer (basically 30) for someone who scored 19 once & never broke 40 points.

I want to trade VO eventually too but with some actual tangible value coming back.

In what world is Laf, who's shown next to nothing, worth even him? Think smaller.

And I used to believe in Laf tbh but I think we've seen enough of him to at least deduce he's not a 1st round pick talent.

BTW: I am aware of the irony of not even trading a former 7th round pick for former 1st overall. Says a lot right there.

Keep the focus on the goals so you don’t have to look at the player as a whole. 12 assists. With 28 goals he must be trying to not get assists. That’s amazing. 10th for forwards in shot share on the Sabres. For that you have to pay $4.75 for one year? That’s bad. Laf you get for 4 more years (?) of team control, that’s where his value is coming from. Laf and VO had about the same points last year but at least you can hope for a little more growth out of Laf. Sabres would add significantly to this trade.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Honestly think something like Lafreniere and Jones for Pinto (and change maybe) is the deal that kind of makes the most logistic sense. Maybe? That at least balances the Rangers better

How does that solve Ottawa's cap situation?

 

[pth2]

He scored 34 power play goals out of 83. He's not going to get the same powerplay minutes on another team. Pump the brakes, right now they're both terrible players.


You have the Avs 2nd, not your own. I think eventually Montreal will stop being an early pick so I don't know that the following year will be top 40.

I figure the Habs will still kind of suck in 2025 so it would still be a high 2nd.

Besides, I'm just suggesting value, not suggesting NYR would really be interested.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Honestly think something like Lafreniere and Jones for Pinto (and change maybe) is the deal that kind of makes the most logistic sense. Maybe? That at least balances the Rangers better

Ottawa doesn’t do it

 

[Savant]

How does that solve Ottawa's cap situation?

I mean, I said and change, send an expiring and/or short term contract over to balance it out

 

[Captain Mountain]

I mean, I said and change, send an expiring and/or short term contract over to balance it out

Who? the guy Ottawa can send which would make it work for them cap-wise are Kubalik or Joseph. The Rangers are only 1.5 mil under the cap with 21 players, any guy Ottawa sends to balance it out means the Rangers would be in a pretty similar position to Ottawa (needing to move money out to sign Pinto).

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Keep the focus on the goals so you don’t have to look at the player as a whole. 12 assists. With 28 goals he must be trying to not get assists. That’s amazing. 10th for forwards in shot share on the Sabres. For that you have to pay $4.75 for one year? That’s bad. Laf you get for 4 more years (?) of team control, that’s where his value is coming from. Laf and VO had about the same points last year but at least you can hope for a little more growth out of Laf. Sabres would add significantly to this trade.

Ok
Laf is seen as a project at this point
Rangers need help on pp
VO not a great passer
He’s a scorer
He likes to play in ozone
When he gets a shot, he takes it
Lots of snipes and one timers

But to be honest, not sure what the Sabres think of Laf and they don’t have a lot of room for forwards. So probably does not make Sense for either team

Rangers and Sabres are not good trade partners anyway

 

[TS Quint]

Ok
Laf is seen as a project at this point
Rangers need help on pp
VO not a great passer
He’s a scorer
He likes to play in ozone
When he gets a shot, he takes it
Lots of snipes and one timers

But to be honest, not sure what the Sabres think of Laf and they don’t have a lot of room for forwards. So probably does not make Sense for either team

Rangers and Sabres are not good trade partners anyway

Sabres do it all day.

 

[Razamanaz]

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[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Honestly think something like Lafreniere and Jones for Pinto (and change maybe) is the deal that kind of makes the most logistic sense. Maybe? That at least balances the Rangers better

Why would Ottawa move a promising young 2 way center like Pinto for an unspectacular winger who goes completely invisible for weeks at a time?

 

[nhlfan9191]

I'm thinking his value depends on the cap NYR take back.

As a Habs fan, I wouldn't go over our 2nd (still a top 40 pick) and a warm body like Ylönen. That's unlikely to be enough, but I wouldn't go far above that.

If a young RD could be of interest, Barron might be available, too.

The Rangers will want the equivalent value of what we gave up for Newhook or more and I don’t think he’s worth that.

 

[pth2]

The Rangers will want the equivalent value of what we gave up for Newhook or more and I don’t think he’s worth that.

Agreed. But 1st overall remains a very alluring pedigree for some.

 

[Colezuki]

Not that I want to give up value for him, but I am curious what MSL could do with him. Seems to have a bit of a good touch with young players, at least compared to our last players

 

[Savant]

Why would Ottawa move a promising young 2 way center like Pinto for an unspectacular winger who goes completely invisible for weeks at a time?

I mean they traded Zibanejad for Brassard

 

[TGWL]

I mean they traded Zibanejad for Brassard

Brassard may not have been near anybody's top tier but he was far from unspectacular at the time of trade. Clearly one had more skill and took off, but it's not the same situation.

 

[abo9]

I mean Dach and Newhook are probably the comparable trades.

Dach: Picks #13 + #66
Newhook: Picks #31 + 37

I think you’re looking at a first plus another pick in straight draft value. As underwhelming as he’s been, Laf has still been more productive than the other two and may have some residual value from his pedigree. That said, his larger sample size may also work against his value in that it is more games without the expected breakout (whether completely his fault or not).

Lafreniere: 91 points in 216 games
Dach: 59 points in 152 games
Newhook: 66 points in 159 games

Best guess from me would be a pick in the 15-20 range and then a 2nd/3rd rounder as a sweetener.

The bolded is true, but to add onto it

Lafreniere produces at a 0.42 pts/game pace.
Dach produced at a 0.39 pts/game pace.
Newhook produced at a 0.41pts/game pace.

Dach I'd agree was the "worst" in terms of production. He had the opportunity to shine, but perhaps rushed (he was playing 18 mins per game in Chicago after his first season). However, he did get a pretty bad injury that kept him out most of his 2nd season. He's a big guy, and the hope was to use him at center - big centers cost a lot, even young projects like Dach. Lafreniere doesn't have the excuse of an injury or of playing on a terrible team, he not small by any means, but also not a center.

Newhook's context is perhaps closer to Lafreniere's. He played on a competitive team, and his TOI reflects that. Both Laf and Newhook played similar time on the PP last year. Both are putting underwhelming numbers, with Laf doing seemingly better every year.

Lafreniere is more physically involved than the other two (despite Dach being "bigger"), and Dach's big breakout really came after being traded. Lafreniere is showing improvement in production every year.

So yeah, these 2 players are pretty good comparables, and I think Lafreniere showing progress (albeit small) is a + over those 2 at the time of their trades. Dach's C potential and size did a bit of heavy lifting for his value too, I assume.

That said, is Laf looking that bad Rangers fans? I feel like patience could still pay with him if he becomes even a 60-70 pts player in a few years. That piece coming back would likely take another 4-5 years of development + might be a "real" bust and not even make it.