Value of: Top Dollar for Lafreniere

jackjohnson

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I’d role the dice and move Knies for Laffy@ 50% retained. There’s a cozy spot for him beside Tavares and Nylander
You are crazy to trade knies for Laf. At this point Laf is just holding onto his chosen draft spot as his only thing that might attract teams of possible potential. He could very well end up as the next Yakupov easily

Until Laffy turns into Jason Robertson 2.0 and puts up 100 points beside Tavares and a contract year Nylander

Die hard leaf’s fan btw
That's cute you are peddling your worst asset like a used car sales man. 100 points lol. At this point you should be glad if he even hits half of that in a season.
 

Lockin17

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William Trudeau + 2rd pick 2024 (#33 to #40) for Laf .
Look at Trudeau first before bitching about this proposal.
 

SeanMoneyHands

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The Rangers are smart by moving Alexis up to the topine this year. See what he can do, showcase him for the entire year, then deal him in the summer for max return.
 

Captain Mountain

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The bolded is true, but to add onto it

Lafreniere produces at a 0.42 pts/game pace.
Dach produced at a 0.39 pts/game pace.
Newhook produced at a 0.41pts/game pace.

Dach I'd agree was the "worst" in terms of production. He had the opportunity to shine, but perhaps rushed (he was playing 18 mins per game in Chicago after his first season). However, he did get a pretty bad injury that kept him out most of his 2nd season. He's a big guy, and the hope was to use him at center - big centers cost a lot, even young projects like Dach. Lafreniere doesn't have the excuse of an injury or of playing on a terrible team, he not small by any means, but also not a center.

Newhook's context is perhaps closer to Lafreniere's. He played on a competitive team, and his TOI reflects that. Both Laf and Newhook played similar time on the PP last year. Both are putting underwhelming numbers, with Laf doing seemingly better every year.

Lafreniere is more physically involved than the other two (despite Dach being "bigger"), and Dach's big breakout really came after being traded. Lafreniere is showing improvement in production every year.

So yeah, these 2 players are pretty good comparables, and I think Lafreniere showing progress (albeit small) is a + over those 2 at the time of their trades. Dach's C potential and size did a bit of heavy lifting for his value too, I assume.

That said, is Laf looking that bad Rangers fans? I feel like patience could still pay with him if he becomes even a 60-70 pts player in a few years. That piece coming back would likely take another 4-5 years of development + might be a "real" bust and not even make it.

I'm not sure that Lafreniere is showing the progress over those guys. His underlying numbers have trended down and he didn't score at the inflated rates of his first two seasons. If Lafreniere is moved it will be for the same reason Dach and Newhook were moved (stagnation in the system). Newhook like Dach is also a guy who can play center and as we all know that has more value than wingers. The other thing in Dach and Newhook's favour (at least in Montreal's POV, but likely for other teams too), is that they had a lot of control left. Dach and Newhook signed 4 year deals with Montreal and will be RFAs when they expire. Lafreniere has a year less control and is under contract.

From the Habs, something like the Calgary 1st and Sean Farrell seems to fit the general fit of the other two trades, but I'm not super fussed if they try to make a move for him or not. Montreal has enough players to try to develop, they don't need to risk a Drouin-esque distraction.
 
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Captain Mountain

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Rough game for Lafreniere, 18.7% xGF% (worst on the Rangers) despite only starting one shift in the defensive zone.

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He's at 37% xGF% through 4 preseason games, and only has 3 shots at 5v5. And this is with Artemi Panarin as his most common linemate. In their 20 mins together, they've got a 15.9% xGF% and have been outshot 10-3 (22-11 shot attempts).

These are obviously small sample sizes, but the eye test doesn't really change the narrative. Maybe there is a reason he wasn't getting played in the top 6. At this point I think Cuylle has jumped Lafreniere in the depth chart.

While this is awful, its also the pre-season.
 

Captain Mountain

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Based on his body language, it seems like he’s putting a lot of pressure on himself.

It’s reminiscent of Habs fans complaints about Lehkonen as he was traded to Colorado. When your opportunities to score feel more finite, maybe you try too hard?

Maybe a team like Toronto where he knows each scoring chance isn’t his last might be better for him?

Eh, Lehkonen is an example of fans not understanding usage more than anything. Lehkonen's 5v5 production rate in Colorado is pretty much exactly the same as it was in Montreal. The difference is entirely usage. He's gone from an injury fill in on the PP to a regular. Lehkonen tended to be a victim of the coaching staff and managements obsession with making Drouin work.

The Rangers are smart by moving Alexis up to the topine this year. See what he can do, showcase him for the entire year, then deal him in the summer for max return.

Its smart if it works. If he bombs then his value is going to be, like, a 3rd.
 

Miller Time

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From the Habs...

Ylonen, '24 Minny 3rd, '25 Habs 2nd

+ conditional pick
(If in 23-24 Laf hits 50+pts = '25 Habs 3rd, 65+pts = '25 Pens 2nd, 80+pts = '25 flames 1st)

2 picks + b prospect, with an additional pick as safety net in case Laf breaks out in year 1

Rangers get cap relief, depth winger replacement and draft collateral.

Habs roll the dice on Laf tapping into his top 6 potential with a change of scenery
 

Spargon

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I’d role the dice and move Knies for Laffy@ 50% retained. There’s a cozy spot for him beside Tavares and Nylander
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