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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

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EdJovanovski said:
DeAngelo led our entire blueline last season with a +6 ( +10 higher than the 2nd place defenseman)? and DeAngelo is 2nd in Corsi among our defensemen this season
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His xGF%rel puts him third behind Fox and Skjei, and Skjei IMO has been thoroughly mediocre. He's also third behind those two in CF%rel. His high-danger allowed stats aren't pretty.

He's also second-worst on the team in +/- this year at -6, with the next-worst defender being Hajek at -1.

We should cherry-pick our stats wisely. :laugh:

He's making good strides. Looking like an elite PMD. The defensive side of things is still not great. I don't know why people need to either pump his tires or go out slashing them. I wish we could all just appreciate his development for what it is.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
He's making good strides. Looking like an elite PMD. The defensive side of things is still not great. I don't know why people need to either pump his tires or go out slashing them. I wish we could all just appreciate his development for what it is.
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I agree. It’s actually hard to have a middle of the road conversation about him.

I have no problem with him being a dangerous offensive weapon that needs to have certain support mechanisms in place to maximize his talent.
 
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Edge said:
I agree. It’s actually hard to have a middle of the road conversation about him.

I have no problem with him being a dangerous offensive weapon that needs to have certain support mechanisms in place to maximize his talent.
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His on ice awareness in his own zone was worlds better last season...he seems to have taken a step backwards there IMHO.
 
The Rangers should’ve made a long term commitment to Tony in the offseason at a reasonable cap hit. They’re now gonna have to pay up for him when they could have gotten him long term at a reasonable cap hit.
 
Kryptekah said:
The Rangers should’ve made a long term commitment to Tony in the offseason at a reasonable cap hit. They’re now gonna have to pay up for him when they could have gotten him long term at a reasonable cap hit.
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I don't think they could have with their cap situation at the time. Totally agree only inking him to a 1 year deal sucks but I don't think there were any other options.
 
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ADA will never be above average defensively. he isnt wired that way. hes not a big guy and hes more a stick check and shadow the guy type player than a physical defender. hes looking to take the puck away and turn it up ice or make a nice crisp pass rather than "play defense".

hes the type of player you need to make peace with.

his offensive ability to create weighed against his defensive lapses will always be a net gain.

maximize the positive and minimize the negative. quinn is doing that.

max 5v5 mins. minimal d zone starts in close games. tons of PP1 time and no PK time.

quinn gets it.
 
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Inferno said:
His on ice awareness in his own zone was worlds better last season...he seems to have taken a step backwards there IMHO.
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yeah I tend to agree with this although it’s early. He was better in his own end last season. I want to see what this team looks like at the 20 game mark. The schedule imo really really has put us behind the rest of the field. Almost like a guy that misses camp and struggles out the gate because of it. We have been playing catch up. I think we’re finding out who we are and getting more in rhythm now. Young team missing their best player for 5 of the 14 games I think everyone gets a lot better as we go along.

but tony has 10 pts in his last 8 games. It’s really impressive

couple of other really positive signs:

We’ve now carried leads 5 times into the third period and won them all.

We’re also 6th in the NHL in regulation or OT wins. We were like last almost all of last year. We’re winning games outright. I think we’re a lot better team than the one that lost 5 straight during a ridiculous scheduling quirk
 
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Kryptekah said:
The Rangers should’ve made a long term commitment to Tony in the offseason at a reasonable cap hit. They’re now gonna have to pay up for him when they could have gotten him long term at a reasonable cap hit.
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How could they have possibly have signed him for more money than they did?
 
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True Blue said:
How could they have possibly have signed him for more money than they did?
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Buying out Staal and signing ADA for multiple years would have been a massive cap saving move even with 2 years of 1.2m dead money.

All with the added bonus of getting rid of Marc Staal.
 
McRanger said:
Buying out Staal and signing ADA for multiple years would have been a massive cap saving move even with 2 years of 1.2m dead money.

All with the added bonus of getting rid of Marc Staal.
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Will admit my ignorance here. I know that next year the dead cap space is crippling and maneuvering would be tight. How does the dead cap space play out in 2021 if he is bought out?

Also, and again did not crunch the numbers here, but can't they resign him with the money that they were paying for Nametsnikov?
 
I have no problem signing him to a bridge deal like mcavoy or werenski got. That’s probably what ends up happening. 3 years. High dollar figure in year 3. Believe we still retain his rights at the end of that contract and can make a further decision then. See where Fox is at. See where maybe Lundkvist is at. Maybe even Keane.
 
If we move Kreider, we have roughly $7 million in space as it is (after moving Namestnikov).

If Strome is also moved, that goes past $10 million.

I don't think we can go on a spending spree, but I don't think we'll be counting pennies either.
 
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They can re-sign him. I think it was pretty obvious that they still had reservations about the player coming into the season, and were hesitant to commit long term (and make the corresponding necessary moves) before seeing continued progression. You can condemn that approach if you want, but I think that's pretty clearly what it was. The organization isn't totally averse to locking guys up early--Skjei, McDonagh come to mind--they just have to feel sure about the player. I don't think they were sure about DeAngelo and that's why he's on a one-year deal.
 
True Blue said:
Will admit my ignorance here. I know that next year the dead cap space is crippling and maneuvering would be tight. How does the dead cap space play out in 2021 if he is bought out?

Also, and again did not crunch the numbers here, but can't they resign him with the money that they were paying for Nametsnikov?
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It depends on what ADA would have taken in '19, how the rest of his season goes and what he will be willing to take in '20 also and also who replaces Staal as the 7th D and what they do with Staal next summer but my half joking scenario would break down like this. (apologies for any math errors, usually excel does math for me)

Staal-ADA-replacement..... Staal buyout + ADA signed for 4m in'19 (probably worst case)
2.9m-4m-1m = 7.9m
3.7m-4m-1m = 8.7m
1.2m-4m-1m = 6.2m
1.2m-4m-1m = 6.m

Staal-ADA........Reality + ADA signs for 5m in '20 (probably best case if he scores 50-60 points)
5.7m-1m = 6.7m
5.7m-5m = 10.7m
0.0m-5m = 5m
0.0m-5m = 5m

ADA probably takes less than 4m in '19 and wants more than 5m in '20 (so its probably a plus in every year) but really its closer to a wash or a small to moderate savings than a massive savings.

But we dont have to watch Staal anymore AND get to watch Lindgren every game. An advantage that cannot be quantified. That could end up being a massive savings for my sanity.
 
Edge said:
If we move Kreider, we have roughly $7 million in space as it is (after moving Namestnikov).

If Strome is also moved, that goes past $10 million.

I don't think we can go on a spending spree, but I don't think we'll be counting pennies either.
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I think that one of Kreider or Buchnevich is definitely moved. Then it gets a bit dicey regarding Strome. I truly have no idea of how that goes. So much depends on what he does for the rest of the year. By moving Buch, they should have enough to pay for Kreider and sign DeAngelo. If they move Kreider, they have no need to spend on Buch next year and can afford whatever Strome may be and Deangelo. This is proving they want to bring Strome back and not trade him. I think. Strome is a wild card.

Does this all like this without a Staal buy out? I just hate the idea of adding more dead cap space in the future.
 
McRanger said:
But we dont have to watch Staal anymore AND get to watch Lindgren every game. An advantage that cannot be quantified. That could end up being a massive savings for my sanity.
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You think there is no way that Staal would ride out his last year as the 7th defenseman?
 
True Blue said:
You think there is no way that Staal would ride out his last year as the 7th defenseman?
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He probably does. But as long as he's around I dont trust coaches not to play him.

Though I didn't mean to derail the ADA thread with Staal stuff.
 
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I admire his sauce passes in the offensive zone. He and Fox can land them right on the tape over sticks

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McRanger said:
He probably does. But as long as he's around I dont trust coaches not to play him.

Though I didn't mean to derail the ADA thread with Staal stuff.
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Yep! If Staal is here next year whoever the coach he will be playing more than not.
 
McRanger said:
It depends on what ADA would have taken in '19, how the rest of his season goes and what he will be willing to take in '20 also and also who replaces Staal as the 7th D and what they do with Staal next summer but my half joking scenario would break down like this. (apologies for any math errors, usually excel does math for me)

Staal-ADA-replacement..... Staal buyout + ADA signed for 4m in'19 (probably worst case)
2.9m-4m-1m = 7.9m
3.7m-4m-1m = 8.7m
1.2m-4m-1m = 6.2m
1.2m-4m-1m = 6.m

Staal-ADA........Reality + ADA signs for 5m in '20 (probably best case if he scores 50-60 points)
5.7m-1m = 6.7m
5.7m-5m = 10.7m
0.0m-5m = 5m
0.0m-5m = 5m

ADA probably takes less than 4m in '19 and wants more than 5m in '20 (so its probably a plus in every year) but really its closer to a wash or a small to moderate savings than a massive savings.

But we dont have to watch Staal anymore AND get to watch Lindgren every game. An advantage that cannot be quantified. That could end up being a massive savings for my sanity.
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Huh? We can't buyout Staal until the off-season. So it would be 3.7 for next year and 1.2 for the following and then that is it.

I wonder if the team will nudge Staal to retire though. While his cap hit is 5.7m, he is due only 3m for next season + the 1m signing bonus on July 1st. If he retires after July 1st he gets the signing bonus. So the question is, can the org convince him to leave 3m on the table to retire?
 
The New Russian Five said:
Huh? We can't buyout Staal until the off-season. So it would be 3.7 for next year and 1.2 for the following and then that is it.

I wonder if the team will nudge Staal to retire though. While his cap hit is 5.7m, he is due only 3m for next season + the 1m signing bonus on July 1st. If he retires after July 1st he gets the signing bonus. So the question is, can the org convince him to leave 3m on the table to retire?
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We were discussing a hypothetical if they had bought out Staal last summer to be able to sign ADA longer. If we buy out Staal this summer it will be 3.56m next year and 1m the year after, but I dont see them having any trouble signing ADA cap wise, though his cap hit will be higher than it would have been if we signed him before the went bananas.
 
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