Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

[The Crypto Guy]

Tony continues to pile up points. 12 points in his last 10 games, and points in 8 of those last 10 games.

Tied in 9th among defenseman in points. Same as a guy named Erik Karlsson. And the guys ahead of him are averaging about 5-6 minutes more ice than him.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Tony continues to pile up points. 12 points in his last 10 games, and points in 8 of those last 10 games.

Tied in 9th among defenseman in points. Same as a guy named Erik Karlsson. And the guys ahead of him are averaging about 5-6 minutes more ice than him.

Might be one of the highest scoring 10-game samples for a NYR defenceman in quite a while. Pionk had 9 in 10 (and 13 in 14) last year and Del Zotto had 10 in 10 back in 09-10.

DeAngelo and Fox are also on concurrent 5-game scoring streaks, with both scoring 6 points over those games.

 

[ThirdEye]

He's been a wrecking ball in the offensive zone... Really should've had another point or two last night. Funny how different his game and Fox's are, but they're both equally effective

 

[offdacrossbar]

deangelo flying under the radar slightly of late.

fox has been getting more comfortable and also getting more PP1 prime time. hes been getting a ton of buzz.

ADA continues to create offense and make some of the prettiest passes to set up glorious chances. if buchnevich could finish, more points would be a given. ADA oozes calmness and offensive acumen.

fox and Angelo together are such a luxury.

i can remember the dark days when we were wishing for anyone who could play a "brian leetch" type game and today we have 2.

again, and i know this is getting repetitive, i must highlight another example of our continued success with trades and FA's and less so with our drafting. brett howden not with standing.

this has to be addressed. we have to draft more impact players (forwards)

 

[Bluenote13]

deangelo flying under the radar slightly of late.

fox has been getting more comfortable and also getting more PP1 prime time. hes been getting a ton of buzz.

ADA continues to create offense and make some of the prettiest passes to set up glorious chances. if buchnevich could finish, more points would be a given. ADA oozes calmness and offensive acumen.

fox and Angelo together are such a luxury.

i can remember the dark days when we were wishing for anyone who could play a "brian leetch" type game and today we have 2.

again, and i know this is getting repetitive, i must highlight another example of our continued success with trades and FA's and less so with our drafting. brett howden not with standing.

this has to be addressed. we have to draft more impact players (forwards)

Not a good example actually.

You cant say our drafting is less successful when most of these draftees are still under 21, while the signing and trade guys are all north of 21.

If anything it's another great example of having patience.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Not a good example actually.

You cant say our drafting is less successful when most of these draftees are still under 21, while the signing and trade guys are all north of 21.

If anything it's another great example of having patience.

our track record is there for the taking. i wont name names but its been a long painful process re. our drafting- especially forwards. take a look, the pool is rather shallow there.

at some point, perhaps ive reached that point already, we need to move off the "hes young" thing and realize that perhaps some of these guys we drafted just arent that good.

we both know those names im referring to.

ill continue to believe that weve been very good at acquiring guys who become our best players and less so via the draft.

top 5 scorers on roster today.

1 is a draft pick and 4 of the top 10

i could go on.

 

[McRanger]

our track record is there for the taking. i wont name names but its been a long painful process re. our drafting- especially forwards. take a look, the pool is rather shallow there.

at some point, perhaps ive reached that point already, we need to move off the "hes young" thing and realize that perhaps some of these guys we drafted just arent that good.

we both know those names im referring to.

ill continue to believe that weve been very good at acquiring guys who become our best players and less so via the draft.

top 5 scorers on roster today.

1 is a draft pick and 4 of the top 10

i could go on.

Kakko, Kravtsov, Andersson, Chytil, and JT Miller.

Those are the forwards the team has drafted in the 1st round in the last decade.

Four of them are 21 or under. Two are teenagers. Out of five.

Are you sure its not just a lack of draft picks that is/was the problem?

 

[True Blue]

i could go on.

As usual, context is lost and everything is viewed with blinders on. You cannot get into this discussion without going back to how many first round picks and second round picks were traded away.

Chytil, Kreider, Buchnevich, Fast, Kakko.....all drafted by NYR. Andersson, for whatever you may think of him.

Then you have players like Strome, who have resurrected their career here and ZBad, whose career took off after he got here. What exactly are you looking for?

 

[Bluenote13]

I know very well what our track record is at the draft, but if you went off of that you'd never draft another young player again.....

We had more tradable assets than draft picks leading up to the 2017 draft, when the rebuild started. Those draft picks were 18 years old while Tony D was almost 22 when he was acquired, took him about 60 games as a Ranger before he established himself.

 

[offdacrossbar]

As usual, context is lost and everything is viewed with blinders on. You cannot get into this discussion without going back to how many first round picks and second round picks were traded away.

Chytil, Kreider, Buchnevich, Fast, Kakko.....all drafted by NYR. Andersson, for whatever you may think of him.

Then you have players like Strome, who have resurrected their career here and ZBad, whose career took off after he got here. What exactly are you looking for?

well honestly, im not buying the "we would have been more successful if we had more picks" thing.

my point has always been and continues to be the same.

i have never been impressed with our ability to draft impact players. ever. our track record isnt good.

we have been much better at poaching our best players via trade and FA's then we have developing our own players. our draft picks seem to be better plumbers than surgeons.

and im sorry, kreider ? not a true impact blue chip top 100 player no matter what colored glasses you wear.

jt miller. buchnevich. fast. all very nice players.

 

[True Blue]

well honestly, im not buying the "we would have been more successful if we had more picks" thing.

4 more first round picks and several second would not have made a difference?

my point has always been and continues to be the same.

i have never been impressed with our ability to draft impact players. ever. our track record isnt good.

Since 2009, a period spanning 10 years, the Rangers had the first pick 6 times. Once was a bust in MclRath. Chris Kreider has made an impact. Chytil is making an impact. Kakko is making an impact. That is 6 first round picks and 3 impact players. We can certainly get into latter rounds as well, but let's examine this as evidence. Jury is still out on Skjei. Miller is not here, but is an NHL player.

What exactly is your definition of "impact player"?

and im sorry, kreider ? not a true impact blue chip top 100 player no matter what colored glasses you wear.

See, here I can use stats whereas you can only use opinions. In the last 5 years, Kreider is top 100 in points. That is not a true impact blue chip? Then what pray tell is? Want to look at his playoff statistics? If legit top line players are not "impact" players, then what is?

 

[aufheben]

well honestly, im not buying the "we would have been more successful if we had more picks" thing.

my point has always been and continues to be the same.

i have never been impressed with our ability to draft impact players. ever. our track record isnt good.

we have been much better at poaching our best players via trade and FA's then we have developing our own players. our draft picks seem to be better plumbers than surgeons.

and im sorry, kreider ? not a true impact blue chip top 100 player no matter what colored glasses you wear.

jt miller. buchnevich. fast. all very nice players.

I think you’ll find that even teams who regularly draft top-5 do not have a 100% success rate there.

Not buying the lack of 1st rounders is ridiculous.

 

[Leonardo87]

Love this guy.... lol

 

[Levitate]

I feel like advanced stats should be thrown out the window when it comes to whoever is playing with Panarin. xGF seems to mean nothing when Panarin is just putting up points every night one way or another

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Love this guy.... lol

Pretty mediocre response if you ask me(as a big ADA guy usually), we all watch the games. Does that mean we can't use statistics we believe to be more objective in co-existence with the eye test which is arguably a lot more subjective?

 

[SA16]

And this is why you don't hire former players to management positions in your organization. They all think like this.

 

[Leonardo87]

Pretty mediocre response if you ask me(as a big ADA guy usually), we all watch the games. Does that mean we can't use statistics we believe to be more objective in co-existence with the eye test which is arguably a lot more subjective?

Advanced stats are useful but it shouldn’t be the whole telling tale of a player. But some people can be a little overkill with it, and sometimes it fails the eye test, but sometimes it’s right on the money. I’m on the fence with it and I don’t need charts to see if a player is struggling when i rarely miss a game.

As per Tony’s reply, I think he is just defending a teammate. Wouldn’t put more thought into it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

DeAngelo is absolutely the guy to search his name on Twitter and have a bunch of burner accounts

There’s no way he would have found this tweet without specifically searching for Strome’s name

 

[SnowblindNYR]

And this is why you don't hire former players to management positions in your organization. They all think like this.

Exactly.

1) Most NHL players are jocks that either aren't academically inclined or just don't care about as sports has always been their #1 priority.

2) Advanced stats are a threat to these guys because they think they're experts in their field. If you tell challenge their expertise that is based on experience and qualitative factors such as the eye test they'll feel threatened. Who has played the game their entire lives to gather this expertise would not feel threatened when all of a sudden 150 pound nerds with glasses are the ones that are starting to be experts and possibly didn't play a minute of hockey in their lives?

3) TDA seems in particular, not like a big intellectual, but maybe I'm just stereotyping.

 

[Thirty One]

Pretty mediocre response if you ask me(as a big ADA guy usually), we all watch the games. Does that mean we can't use statistics we believe to be more objective in co-existence with the eye test which is arguably a lot more subjective?

Whether it's right or wrong, I think it's good for him to go to bat for his teammate. Weird to @ him though, IMO. Notifying him that people are saying negative things about him is an odd look.

 

[Kords]

DeAngelo is absolutely the guy to search his name on Twitter and have a bunch of burner accounts

There’s no way he would have found this tweet without specifically searching for Strome’s name

Or he just follows a blogger who liked or retweeted it. I saw it and I sure wasn't searching for it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Or he just follows a blogger who liked or retweeted it. I saw it and I sure wasn't searching for it.

Doubtful

A quick look at the people he follows suggests he probably was searching Strome’s name

 

[Inferno]

Baseball is played on the field.. not on paper... And yet analytics rules the sport.

Basketball is played on the court not on paper....and yet...

 

[duhmetreE]

Baseball is played on the field.. not on paper... And yet analytics rules the sport.

Basketball is played on the court not on paper....and yet...

Baseball is the best game for analytics. Basketball is definitely better than Hockey.

There are just way too many variables in hockey to put too much weight in them. That's my problem with analytic pundits at the moment. It can be used as a tool to evaluate or to confirm. It should not dominate the evaluation.

You see it often now, there's no 'scouting' or 'description' of what a said player does/did well or poorly. Just post a chart.

 

[Inferno]

Baseball is the best game for analytics. Basketball is definitely better than Hockey.

There are just way too many variables in hockey to put too much weight in them. That's my problem with analytic pundits at the moment. It can be used as a tool to evaluate or to confirm. It should not dominate the evaluation.

You see it often now, there's no 'scouting' or 'description' of what a said player does/did well or poorly. Just post a chart.

Every game has infinite variables...the games are played on the court or on the field. Willa guy with a history spin rate on his curve ball be able to get the guy out who has some crazy launch angle and exit velocity? It all comes down to odds right...