To sign or not to re-sign that is the question with Freddy Andersen.?

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Some stats, from Natural Stat Trick

5v5 (of goalies with at least 500 5v5 minutes this year - 36 goalies)
  • Andersen's SV% is actually strong 5v5, 92.7%, 9th of 36 goalies
  • In terms of "expected SV%" (what an average goalie would do with the shot quality he's faced), he's basically the same - his expected SV% is 92.3%, so he's +0.4% better than expected, which puts him 8th of 36 goalies in terms of actual - expected. For reference Vasi is #1 at +2.6%, Matt Murray last at -3.5%
4v5 PK (of goalies with at least 50 4v5 minutes this year - 38 goalies)
  • Andersen's SV% is pretty weak 4v5, 81.7%, 30th of 38 goalies
  • In terms of "expected SV%" (what an average goalie would do with the shot quality he's faced), he's similarly bad - his expected SV% is 89.5%, so he's -7.8% worse than expected, 31st of 36 goalies in terms of actual - expected. For reference Fleury is #1 at +6.7%, Saros last at -11.3%
So yeah, the stats suggest he's been a decently above average starter 5v5, top 8-9ish in the league, but very weak on the PK, basically not starter quality at all, ~30-31st on the PK. He's getting lit up hard enough on the PK to make him a well below average starter overall, despite being solid at ES.

I think the underlying thing there is that he's a big, positional, "let the puck hit me" type goalie, who's great at stopping easy-to-average shots, but weak at the high danger shots, where really aggressive, athletic goalies tend to shine. Even strength is mostly easy-to-average shots, so he does well, but PKs are full of high danger shots, where he gets lit up.

To maximize his performance this year, the coaching staff should focus on the PK. Figure out what kind of chances he's good/bad at, work towards a PK scheme that allows the chances/shots he's decent at stopping, and works like hell to disallow the types of chances he sucks at. If we can find a way to get even average PK performance out of Freddy, he'll be acceptable for this year, as he's playing fine at ES. Freddy is the main reason we've got a below average PK this year, and his skillset isn't going to magically improve at his age, so we need to find a way to tweak what kind of chances we allow on the PK to get the most out of him.

I don't think we should re-sign him - he was very good his first 3 seasons with us, but he's been trending down significantly the last 2 years, and will be 32 at the start of next season. It's not a good time to make a bet on him. However, I do think we should ride out the season with him, and try to get the best out of him, which mostly means figuring out a way to make our PK work with Andy in net.
Question is would be be too late in the season to change how the pk works ??
Also this might sound as a excuse but playing teams over 6 times in a short 56 game season would have its repercussions good and bad ...maybe rotating 3 goalies could keep teams off maybe ? I seriously don't think duby will pull the trigger on a goalie trade this late but stranger things have happened i guess !!!
 
Question is would be be too late in the season to change how the pk works ??
Also this might sound as a excuse but playing teams over 6 times in a short 56 game season would have its repercussions good and bad ...maybe rotating 3 goalies could keep teams off maybe ? I seriously don't think duby will pull the trigger on a goalie trade this late but stranger things have happened i guess !!!

There's no need to change how the PK works. It's been one of the best in the league since Keefe took over:

PK since Keefe:

84.8 ca/60 (#5)
63.8 fa/60 (#4)
45.7 sa/60 (#4)
5.38 xga/60 (#1)
7.31 ga/60 (#16)

Elite by every measure, other than actual goals.....but there's a specific reason for that goals stat:

Campbell 4.34 ga/60 (would rank #1 in league)
Anderson 7.53 ga/60 (would rank #19 in league)
Hutchinson 9.22 ga/60 (would rank #28 in league)

and if we look just at this year only:

77.8 ca/60 (#2)
58.3 fa/60 (#2)
44.3 sa/60 (#6)
5.20 xga/60 (#4)
8.39 ga/60 (#21)

again elite by every measure, other than the one....but for the same reason:

Campbell 4.38 ga/60 (would rank #3 in league)
Hutchinson 7.89 ga/60 (would rank #19 in league)
Andersen 9.17 ga/60 (would rank #23 in league)
 
Considering the offseason rumors about leafs shopping him, I'd say the odds are very low he is still with the team next season.

Best at this point for both sides to move on

Probably. I'd say Andersen's stock has to way up between now and then for us to want to resign him and that seems unlikely at this point.
 
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There's no need to change how the PK works. It's been one of the best in the league since Keefe took over:

PK since Keefe:

84.8 ca/60 (#5)
63.8 fa/60 (#4)
45.7 sa/60 (#4)
5.38 xga/60 (#1)
7.31 ga/60 (#16)

Elite by every measure, other than actual goals.....but there's a specific reason for that goals stat:

Campbell 4.34 ga/60 (would rank #1 in league)
Anderson 7.53 ga/60 (would rank #19 in league)
Hutchinson 9.22 ga/60 (would rank #28 in league)

and if we look just at this year only:

77.8 ca/60 (#2)
58.3 fa/60 (#2)
44.3 sa/60 (#6)
5.20 xga/60 (#4)
8.39 ga/60 (#21)

again elite by every measure, other than the one....but for the same reason:

Campbell 4.38 ga/60 (would rank #3 in league)
Hutchinson 7.89 ga/60 (would rank #19 in league)
Andersen 9.17 ga/60 (would rank #23 in league)

Actual goals is all that counts
 
Andersen rank out of the 34 goaltenders that played at least 1800 minutes since Keefe took over as coach:

Shots Against/60: 30.36 (17th fewest out of 34)
xGoals against/60: 2.43 (14th lowest out of 34)
GAA: 2.85 (22nd lowest out of 34)

High Danger Save%: .801 (24th best out of 34)
Medium Danger Save%: .887 (28th best out of 34)
Low Danger Save%: .973 (4th best out of 34)
Overall Save%: .906 (27th best out of 34)

Not looking good boys......

The best I can say about Andersen over this stretch is that he can still log a lot of minutes and is really good at making saves on easy shots.
 
I agree in principle. If he's the best option then why would you make things worse? Although I have some hope that Campbell can help.

The issue I have is that would be my position in a vacuum, without considering contracts. I am extremely hesitant to make any kind of long-term and large dollar commitment to Andersen. I don't know what the market will be for him. I think there will be at least a few teams that would see him as an upgrade for their situation.

It will be very interesting to see how Dubas handles this. It will be one of the toughest decisions he's had to make so far, in terms of whether to keep Andersen and if not, who takes over.
Nonsense. It's an easy decision. Dump him.
 
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Shanny knows likely both he and Dubie get fired if they don't figure out a way to get a 1st round victory this season ... there is a ton riding on every move they make in next month ... and trading Freddy is highly unlikely as no one else wants him ... best we could do is get freddy to agree to LTIR so we can add a LW and a defender for playoff run
Shows how far his stock has fallen. Yet some here will defend him almost to the death.
 
Shanny knows likely both he and Dubie get fired if they don't figure out a way to get a 1st round victory this season ... there is a ton riding on every move they make in next month ... and trading Freddy is highly unlikely as no one else wants him ... best we could do is get freddy to agree to LTIR so we can add a LW and a defender for playoff run

Short of making it to the final four = fireable offence

This is the year to go all in
 
Helle is just amazing while Freddy can barely stay capable even in this game. If we can get a half decent goalie and maybe thats Campbell, we can go really far.
 
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This team is so, so good this year. Please Dubas get us some goaltending back up. It would seriously be depressing to see this opportunity slip out of our hands because of lackluster goaltending.
 
I would take him as a backup for backup money. His inconsistency the last couple of years gives me no confidence in him for a 4-5 year deal. It would be foolish given his recent low level of play. The only thing that can save him might be an insane playoff run and maybe not even then, depending on what deal he is after. He doesn't look like the guy he was a couple of years ago. Always just a little worse than the guy at the other end.
 
With the Binnington deal, Andersen is likely not going to get a pay cut. Will be interesting how Dubas handles this. Obviously very slim pickings out there with lots of team in need of good goalies. Will be entertaining to see what happen in FA.
 
Maybe resign him if he takes a significant short term paycut, but I doubt it happens; Leafs should treat the situation the exact same way Washington did with Holtby: held the door open if he doesn't like the offers out there, but ultimately a large paycut would only be available back in Toronto
 
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With the Binnington deal, Andersen is likely not going to get a pay cut. Will be interesting how Dubas handles this. Obviously very slim pickings out there with lots of team in need of good goalies. Will be entertaining to see what happen in FA.

Hard to draw a parallel between Andersen and Binnington from a negotiation point of view. Binnington is younger, has a Stanley Cup. Andersen is older and is a UFA.
 
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Found it funny when they were pumping his tires prior to the game, calling he and Hellebuyck among the very best goalies in the game but one being the vezina winner... come on
 
Hard to draw a parallel between Andersen and Binnington from a negotiation point of view. Binnington is younger, has a Stanley Cup. Andersen is older and is a UFA.

They have similar roles and similar stats. You are right though i dont know how much of a factor the cup will bring but it is probably not too far off. Probably 5.5x4 or something.
 
Andersen rank out of the 34 goaltenders that played at least 1800 minutes since Keefe took over as coach:

Shots Against/60: 30.36 (17th fewest out of 34)
xGoals against/60: 2.43 (14th lowest out of 34)
GAA: 2.85 (22nd lowest out of 34)

High Danger Save%: .801 (24th best out of 34)
Medium Danger Save%: .887 (28th best out of 34)
Low Danger Save%: .973 (4th best out of 34)
Overall Save%: .906 (27th best out of 34)

Not looking good boys......

The best I can say about Andersen over this stretch is that he can still log a lot of minutes and is really good at making saves on easy shots.

He earned his contract two seasons ago but never seemed to win when the stakes were highest. He hasn't been as impressive this year.

With our D improved, he should be dialed in. I could even see the possibility of Campbell earning a shot as starter if he can stay healthy.

Andersen hopefully brings his best game in the postseason and proves his detractors wrong. It would make a huge difference in his contract value.
 

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